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how can it be worth that much more ...   am I missing something or what?

same with binoculars.. $599. - $699.     for 8 x 42

how can they "justifiably" (spelling) be that much better than a $50  -  $100 at the same 8 x 42


I dont see how  but then again I couldnt begin to afford the higher priced ones and never had a chance to look threw them , so maybe I am making due and not even knowing it..lol   

I'm not running anything down ..
dont want this to become a word war about who is better or who is the best..

just trying to understand why there is such a broad price range on this stuff.  Is it just preference or am I seriously missing something.. ..?  thanks



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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2009, 04:29:51 PM »
In a way, you get what you pay for.  I do think that some of the manufacturers overprice their stuff. 

Here are my personal experiences:

When I got my 1st deer rifle (Ruger MkII .280), it came with a 3x9x40 Tasco.  I ended up picking up a 3x9x50 Tasco World Class scope (approximately $125) and giving my dad my other scope (approximately $75).  A couple of years later, one of the post literally broke off in the scope.  That scope was replaced by Tasco, but the same thing happened two years later.  My dad said the heck with it and bought a Nikon ($300).  No problems since. 

About 5 years ago, my scope took a crap on me at the moment of truth.  The biggest buck I have ever had the chance to place crosshairs on stopped at about 75 yards in the woods, facing me.  I placed the crosshairs on his chest and fired.  The gun fired and that was it.  The buck stood there looking at me.  I kicked in another shell and slowly squeezed the trigger (thinking that I had jerked the trigger).  This time, the buck took off when I fired.  I gave him about 15 minutes before I went to search.  I found a little bit of hair and some bark.  No blood or anything.  I let him go overnight.  I resumed the search and found no blood.  Later that afternoon, the same buck stepped out about 10 feet away.  I swung the gun and fired as soon as everything was lined up.  He went 100 yards and piled up.  What I found is the 2nd bullet the night before grazed his side.  The next day, I set up a target at 100 yards and 50 yards.  I shot a couple of groups at each.  I was shocked.  At 50 yards, I was getting 6" to 8" groups.  At 100 yards, the groups were almost double that.  I checked the mounts and whatever else I could think of. 

I sent the scope off to Tasco after deer season for inspection.  They said the internals were shot.  They wouldn't help me because they claimed the scope was abused.  Then, they wanted to charge me for returning the scope back to me.  I told them to keep it.  The scope was never abused, the gun was never dropped.  In fact, the scope was mounted by a very respectable gunsmith.  I replaced the scope with a Nikon and have never looked back.

I now have 1 Nikon ($300), 2 Leupolds (1 was $850, 1 was $300), 2 Burris' (both about $300 to $350), 1 Tasco (this is on my .22, not enough recoil to damage it), and a couple of red dots.  I do feel that once you hit the $200 to $300 range for scopes, quality takes a big jump.  The Nikon is 10x the scope that Tasco was.  The expensive Leupold has unbelievable clarity!

Glass clarity is way better on the higher end stuff too.  At low power, it is noticeable, but it doesn't jump out at you.  Crank the power up, and watch out!  You would not believe the difference.  There is no distortion, and no "fuzziness" around the edges. 

I myself am on a budget.  I have a wife and 2 young girls (the latest one is 2 months old).  I try to save up for what I want, because in the end, a cheap scope will cost you more in the long run.  Also, I like having the security of knowing I have a scope that will work when called upon.  I was lucky that the buck showed up the next night!!!

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2009, 04:41:02 PM »
Oh believe me there is a WORLD of difference between the optics in your example. Worth the WORLD of difference? Well that's a question each person has to answer for their self. I'll tell you this tho I'd NEVER even think of taking an expensive or distant trip with the cheap optics you mention.

There is a break point tho in my opinion and with my budget where enough is enough. Scopes such as the Leupold VX- I or VX-II, the Bushnell Elites are good enough that I can't see paying the extra bucks for higher priced scopes. Mueller scopes are amazing for the money too.

For binoculars the better they are the more you'll use them. I refuse to even pick up and look thru a set that sells for much less than $300 and yeah those in the $599-$699 range really are a lot better than the ones even at the $300 range generally speaking. My old Bushnell Legend is to me a better choice than the Elite only due to ergonomics but nearly as good optically. The Zen-Ray bino I have is quite amazing at it's price also. You really have to try a good optic to understand how much better they really are.


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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2009, 05:31:08 PM »
I have over the years (I'm 60) shot the Tascos, the Bushnell and others, and then I bought a Leupold 2X7 vari-X II. And then a Leupold 3.5X10 vari-X III.
After that, I might sell the gun, but NEVER EVER, the scope. And binoculars. Same thing. Went thru the cheapies, and then got a set of Nikon binocs for a little over $300.00. Never again will I need new ones.
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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2009, 06:45:43 PM »
Hopefully in this day and age,one gets what they pay for. And the answer is yes

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2009, 04:13:55 AM »
  I hear guys say, "the cheap ones are just as clear as the expensive ones", like that was only difference in them!

  I've seen numerous cheapo scopes fail, some in the field.  Same with bino's, i've seen several of the cheaper ones fog up inside, and become useless.  One thing that REALLY bugs me on a hunt is, when the guy next to you refuses to spend any money on good bino's!  Then, when "i" spot something really good with my GOOD bino's, they start yelling, let me see, let me see!!  I hate that so much, on extended hunts, i started carrying a "spare pair" of GOOD bino's, just for loaners!

  Back to the scopes...  The best scopes i've ever owned (in quanity) for reliability have been Leupold...  I still have a high end B&L that's never failed, and has proved itself over and over, even though it's been to hell and back.....more than once.  And, i also have a couple Zeiss that have never given me a minutes problem.

  I have a new Mueller sitting here new in the box, a friend of mine had one let go on his rifle, Mueller replaced it.  I think mine will end up on a 22lr...

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2009, 05:51:09 AM »
I have more Leupold’s than any others and when the others fail they will be replaced with Leupold’s.  If the Leupold’s fail then they will be repaired or replaced no questions asked by Leupold for free.  I did inquire on the T/C pistol scope I have, if it fails T/C says they will repair or replace it as well for free no questions.  It’s mounted on a T/C 12” Encore 454 Casull barrel, so time will tell.
 
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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2009, 10:12:41 AM »
I will also add to this.  You can sometimes get a cheaper scope with a lifetime warranty.  Let's hope you don't need that warranty service in the middle of a hunt.  It's very likely that on the "good" scopes you'll never have to use that warranty...that's the brand I want.

My Bruntun binos have a lifetime warranty. (I have a spare set now)  I didn't know I needed the warranty until I was out in the rain and went to look through them.  They were fogged up on the inside and useless until I got them replaced.  Although that wasn't hunt ending it still sucked.  That being said, I like them for the money I spent.  A scope is a different item entirely.
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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2009, 10:46:04 AM »
 Yes.
 In low light.
 In the size of the eye-box.
 Eye relief.
 Holding zero year after year.
 When you get old enough to need glasses for the fine print.
 When a "no bs" warranty, no $20 to look at their scope, plus shipping cost.
 This is when you see the difference.

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2009, 11:31:49 AM »
Varmint rifles are one of my favorite things in life. I have way more than one guy should have. From time to time I get tired of spending $500 or (way) more on a scope for a varmint rifle. At these times I will buy a $200 and put it  on a rifle. My varmint (woodchuck) rifles are used on bright sunny days so a cheep scope will work... right?
Every time the scope is gone within a few months and replaced with what I should have purchased in the first place. Cheep glass does not usually have the clarity found on better glass.
Look at what used scopes sell for. The better ones hold their value much better than a cheep one.

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2009, 12:20:02 PM »
I've had several scopes that needed to be returned for several reasons including moisture.  I think about every make has had a failure at one time or another.  I believe when you buy a leupold, you buy their customer service and exchange policy.  There just are not that many who will replace stuff with no questions asked. Some advertise it, but really don't live up to it.   Although Mueller and Swift are close, their warranty only applies to the original owner unlike Leupold who warranties the product no matter who owns it.  As far as price, I have never understood $1000 scopes or binos. I could understand a professional guide putting that kind of money in glass, but the average Joe with kids and a mortage I can't. 
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I love the shooting sports almost as much as I love my wife, but there are limits to everything.  How much do you have to spend to have a good time and a chance to be successful.  This answer is different for everyone, but I believe we will all be held accountable by the gifts we have one day or another.  Remember sometimes material things can own us.  Many can buy things because they can, it doesn't make it right though.
 Everybody has to have the very best of everything even if they can't afford it.  They use credit cards to fund their hobby, screw the kids' shoes and groceries. I can afford about anything I wanted to buy.  The Lord has blessed me, but I can't spend that kind of money on a hobby.  If I have extra, it's going to go into something for my family, church or to introduce a kid down the road to hunting. I've bought every member of my family  a hunting rifle with decent scopes to get them together when they were interested. I've bought enough stands and a few extra, so everyone can hunt.   I didn't buy them $1000 scopes, more like $100 variety.  They manage to kill game and have a great time doing it.  What's great is I get to see them regularly and I am passing down a heritage I feel strongly about.  One day they will remember me as the old fart with all the guns that didn't mind sharing. There is a point in which price does not really dictate quality.  Quality is what you find in the time we spend with the ones we love, the need for a $1000 scope doesn't even make the list.  I guess the question you should ask yourself if you can afford it is...........Is there any better way I can enjoy the outdoors or share my love of it with another?

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2009, 12:57:38 PM »
Buy what you can afford. I can afford $200 -or so scopes. Kinda. You will notice the difference. Ive got a 20 year old Leupold 2X7 thats been on 6 or 8 guns. Couple years back My ML fell off my tailgate :-[  The scope didnt lose zero, but the power ring wouldnt move real smooth, Finished the hunting season with it. Sent it to Leupold .they fixed it no questions asked. Thats priceless. Ive had good luck with Burris too.
 Its hard to judge optics in the store. Look thru them after the sun goes down. 
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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2009, 12:55:09 PM »
ok, so basicly what im reading here is

they do offer a superior view but mostly its the backing of the product that is the appeal to the user...

so if im ok with the $100 scope or bino and dont mind if i have to replace it when it breaks i should stick with them..lol  ( i myself have no choice..lol )

but thank you all for your insights about this.. i see some god awful pricings on some regular looking scopes.. and think to myself.. why?   now i  know more about what they represent... thanks..

please keep adding if you want.. the more oppinions the better..


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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2009, 01:42:26 PM »
If you are satisfied with what you have my advise is to never borrow a friends rifle with expensive glass.
Yes, I have removed some inexpensive scopes from rifles that seemed to lose their accuracy when in reality it was the scopes fault but that can happen to expensive ones as well, the difference being who pays for the replacement.

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2009, 01:49:40 PM »
About 48 weeks per year, one is as good as the other.  Then comes hunting season.

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2009, 04:26:04 PM »
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ok, so basicly what im reading here is

they do offer a superior view but mostly its the backing of the product that is the appeal to the user...

  "If" that's all you got out of this thread, then you need to read it a few more times, as your comprehension skills are lacking. 

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2009, 04:47:48 PM »
This sums it up;

Expensive or Quality scopes give you;
-Peace of Mind: You know it will not fail you at the most important time
-Warranty: "If" it fails, it's repaired or replaced (basically no questions asked!)
-Clarity: Night and day difference between the under $100 scopes and a quality scope
-No distortion
-Light gathering capabilities: Higher end scopes seem to gather more light (this is from personal observations)


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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2009, 05:08:21 PM »
What i have found is that the expensive scopes(that being 300-600 dollar ones) will hold zero. and last longer! the big dollar ones 1000 and up make it easy for the jewelers(zeiss and swarovsky) to have a nice retirement!

As far as binoculars go i have a set of nikon 10-50s that cost about 250 and they have been at my side for 15 years and bounce when needed!
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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2009, 12:47:55 PM »
Young eyes and or strong eyes needing no correction can make inexpensive optics seem better. Many people use more magnification to overcome the lack of clarity of inexpensive optics.

There is a greater noticeable difference between the mid priced optics ($300-$500) and the under $200 optics then the mid priced and top end optics. For me I can't justify the high end priced optics but don't feel anyone is wrong to buy them. Are the top end optics worth the extra money? Definately if you are hunting in low light much of your hunting, you look through them for long periods, and/or you need an edge to spot your quary. High end optics will give you better light transmission (brighter), better resolution (more clear image), and will show true colors better.
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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2009, 01:51:41 PM »
Scopes that cost more than $300.00 aren't worth it IMO.  I love the Nikon Prostaff, Bushnell 3200 Elite, and The cheaper Leupolds.
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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2009, 02:18:04 PM »
Scopes that cost more than $300.00 aren't worth it IMO.  I love the Nikon Prostaff, Bushnell 3200 Elite, and The cheaper Leupolds.

I have to disagree and I'm sure quite a few others will agree with me on this one too.  The scopes you mentioned are quality scopes, the kind that I would not hesitate to place on my rifles.  However, take your "cheap" Leuopold (probably VXI) and place it next to the VXIII or Mark 4 and you WILL notice a huge difference in quality.

Most of my scopes are in the $250 to $350 range.  The reason I don't have the high stuff (besides my VXIII) is because I can't afford them.  If I could, I would definately purchase them because I feel that they ARE a better scope.  Much the same way you feel that anything over $300 is not worth it!

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2009, 02:42:22 PM »
Even the best Leupolds are very very dark.  If I wanted an expensive scope it would be European.
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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2009, 02:59:37 PM »
Last time I was scope shopping I had a vx-111 and a monarch on the table. I left with the monarch because everything else being equal, the nikon had twice the eye relief the leopold had. That to me makes a usable scope.

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2009, 04:08:41 PM »
Not exactly sure which Nikon Monarch you are comparing to which VXIII, but a quick check of the specks of a Nikon 2.5X10X42 had a releif of 4.0 - 3.8.  A Leupold VX111 in 3.5X10X40 had 4.4 - 3.5.

Be more specific about the scopes and we can provide the tech data for you.  I doubt you will find anything like twice the eye relief with a Nikon.  They look comparable in the eye relief category to me.

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2009, 04:46:19 PM »
Let me add a couple things here. On the 300 yard range my VX-II at 14 power sees holes that my 20X Simmons can't see at all. At 100 and even 200 yds the 6.5 to 20X Simmons is fine but dim the light or stretch the distance and the clarity and sharpness begins to fail. Leupolds, Sightrons, Nikons are usually worth it. I can't get myself to buy the thousand dollar scopes but if you don't get up in that $250 to $500 range your giving up something that may not matter in perfect conditions but Mr. Murphy is always lurking.

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2009, 02:40:14 AM »
OK...my 2 cents.

I bought a pair of Redfield 7x35 binos in 1988 for a mule deer and antelope hunt in Montana.  I paid $149 at the time.  My buddy bought a pair of Leica 8x42's.  The guide had a pair of Leupold 9x25's and a bushnell spotter that he carried all the time.  We were on a ridge looking into a large draw and the guide spotted a mulie bedded under just in front of a large bush.  My buddie picked it up in his leica's immediately.  I looked and looked and we traded binos and BAMMMM...there it was plain as day.  The guide was intrigued and he took my redfields and also had trouble seeing the deer....that's was it for me....three weeks after I got back, that same buddy of mine was at the LL BEAN outlet and found a pair of Swaros 8x32 for $350 and the rest is history.  Oh yeah...the I still own the Redfields...the kids use them to look at the turkeys and deer out the kitchen window.....

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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2009, 07:08:26 AM »
A lot of it depends on the type of hunting you do and what you will have the scope mounted on also. I can't afford $500-1000 optics because my daughter needs 3 pair of dance shoes and all the other crap that goes with dance. IMHO, there is a price point below where good optics do exist so I pay attention to what others say about them on GBO and go for value at a price point I can afford.
I keep an eye towards upgrading and do as most of us do, get the best deals on the best quality you can afford. My personal preference is for Bushnell,Nikon, and Burris, probably in that order.
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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2009, 08:00:52 AM »
Even the best Leupolds are very very dark.  If I wanted an expensive scope it would be European.


As usual every time you open your mouth er your keyboard you prove how truly ignorant you really are. Why you continue to say such stupid things when EVERYONE here knows you are wrong continues to amaze me. I believe you must be "thinking with your dipstick Jimmy" as the commercial says.


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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2009, 08:19:01 AM »
I have & will continue to treat you with respect.

When I look through a Leupold, the question comes to mind who turned out the lights.
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Re: ok, are they really worth it? a $1000 scope better than a $50 scope
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2009, 12:54:10 PM »
You are kidding no one here. I own and have owned scores of Leupold scopes. Never yet owned one that was dark looking thru it other than at night. I own many other poor and top quality scopes and while I agree that optically Leupold is not the best they are not even remotely what you describe. I suspect everyone on here who has owned or looked thru Leupold scopes can attest to the fact you are just not being truthful. What your game is on this I do not know but you and I both know that you aren't being truthful.

Leupold scopes transmit just about the same percentage of light as do all other top quality scopes. Not enough difference for a human eye to discern.


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