45/70 Fan Venting Frustration !!!

[1GLOCK]

Anyone here read the article in the November G&A mag. about the 475 Linebaugh?? What a bunch of crap !!! Fist off, how can you compare a winchester factory load to a Buffalo bore load? If they had taken the time to do a little research they would have found that the Buffalo Bore 45/70 430gr. LFN at 1900fps. blows the doors off the 475 Linbaughs 420gr. LFN at 1350fps (published), they claim it cronagraphed at 1550fps (still smokes it). Why the hell would I even consider paying $1800 to step down in horsepower when the good old 45/70 still has the 475 Linbaough beat hands down!!

[Lawdog]

1GLOCK,

I know what you mean.  People are always wanting o compare either their hot reloads to a factory load or hot factory loads to standard factory loads to make their favorite cartridge look better.  Lawdog

[EOD3]

You read it in a gun rag, and you expect it to be objective?  

I’ll take my 45/70 any day of the week and twice on Sunday.  If I have anything that resembles lead, darn near any kind of powder from Bullseye to Pyrodex, and large primers, I’m shooting.  Try to say that for “modern” cartridges…

EOD3

[Mikey]

Glocky Old Boy:  Breathe, breathe!  Vent yourself not.  As Odie3 said, ya'll read it in a gun magazine.  Finding a favorable comparison there is like expecting a faithful application of the notion of truth in reporting in your local paper.  Easy guy.  Your 45 and 70 has always been and will always be.  You won't ever see the 475 in a snubnose (but you can find the 45-70 in one).  I see articles compare the xy-something or another with a 44 caliber bore to the 444 - gotta ask what product they're hyping to put it all into perspective.  

Interestink phenomena:  American shoppers are comparison shoppers, unless they have the money to forego the bartering concept.  So, if something new doesn't outdo the old thing, it won't sell.  Hay, after reading that article I would take my 45 and 70 out to the range and let'em know what it's made of.  Just my 2 cents worth.  Mikey.

[Thomas Krupinski]

Gave up reading any of those gun rags about 30 years or so ago.  From what I am hearing you guys saying, it was pretty much the same things then.  Don't think I am missing anything either!

[doc-and]

Let's see if not buying gun rags = new gun

G&A, Shooting Times, GunWorld, Guns, Rifle, Handloader:

5 Rags per month X approx $5.00/issue X 12 months/year= $300.00/yr

Depending on what you wanted to buy you might have saved yourself enough money & aggrivation to get a new gun (on sale of course).

I've gotten to where I just go to the bookstore and read them there (if they have an article I'm interested in.  For me to buy it, it has to have what I consider "MUST HAVE INFORMATION" for me to add it to my collection.  Haven't added to my collection in over 18months.  :wink:

I will continue to spend my hard to comeby cash on powder, primers & bullets to feed my guns, until the writers become more objective, I doubt that I'll support the written word.

Besides, we have the internet to research new firearms & loads and its usually cheaper than magazines.

Just my 2cents
doc-and

[wallynut]

If your gonna buy a gun rag, at least buy "Handloader", there's at least some useful info in there!

[S.B.]

1GLOCK, understand your feelings. Have you ever read about a gun that just didn't work in one of the popular gun rags? I said so at a national action match several years back with one of their writers present. If looks could kill.
Most of those writers type writers go faster than their bullets. In my opinion, most gun writers have very little field experience. They are always willing to sell junk if the advertising money is right. Maybe thats how the Japs got into the car manufacturing business. Now we're stuck with a lot of Japanese car and an awful lot of Detroit Americans are out of work.

[dave hall]

ITS NOT ONLY THE MAGS THAT SUCK. I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN GUNS&AMMO TV THAT SHOW IS A JOKE .THEY TELL YOU ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THE 10 MIN. THE SHOW IS ACTUALITY ON. THE REST IS ALL  ADS. THESE GUYS MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING ,BUT BEING ON THAT  SHOW MAKES THEM LOOK BAD.THE AMERICAN RIFLEMAN IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND EVERY TIME THEY TALK ABOUT THE 45-70 THEY SPEND HALF THE TIME TALKING ABOUT HOW OLD SHE IS . EVEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT HAD A 45-70 KNOWS ITS OLD.THESE MAGS,AND SHOWS NEED TO START TELLING US SOMETHING WE DO,NT KNOW.

[1GLOCK]

Yeah, How about it!!! I got so sick of hearing plugs for Springfield Armory and the XD (GLOCK WANNABE) pistol, I mean, COME ON THE THINGS MADE IN CROATIA !!!

[jakes10mm]

Read an article awhile back comparing handgun big bore bullet penetration.  Recall the article??  All the Linebaughs were there, the nitros, the supers, the super whoppers, etc......then there were some factory 44mags and 45 LCs.  Hmmm, specialty loads versus factory (for the recoil sensative) loads.  Wonder which penetrated deeper?  

Sorry, have to make one crack at the Croatia comment:

I had to sell my Glock.  Wife was using it to flip the pancakes between range outings and didn't feel safe leaving it in the utensil drawer with children in the house.  Where are Glocks made?

Sorry again.  Not a Glock fan, so had to throw something back..  Traditionalist here: 45-70 Govt and 45acp...in STEEL guns.

[Fla Brian]

Anyone here read the article in the November G&A mag. about the 475 Linebaugh?? What a bunch of crap !!! Fist off, how can you compare a winchester factory load to a Buffalo bore load? If they had taken the time to do a little research they would have found that the Buffalo Bore 45/70 430gr. LFN at 1900fps. blows the doors off the 475 Linbaughs 420gr. LFN at 1350fps (published), they claim it cronagraphed at 1550fps (still smokes it). Why the hell would I even consider paying $1800 to step down in horsepower when the good old 45/70 still has the 475 Linbaough beat hands down!!

Here's a question. If you were facing a charging brown bruin, which would you rather have clutched in your hot little hands, a .475 Linebaugh or a .45-70 with Buffalo Bores or hot handloads?

Answer: There isn't any .475 Linebaugh load that will pack the wallop of my handloads in my converted Siamese Mauser. Or stout loads in a .45-70 Marlin lever gun. Or any handgun. Period. End of story. Case closed!

The only thing I read in G&A, is Cooper's column, and I read that at the magazine rack at the store.

I'd like to echo the sentiments of S.B. I have never read a firearm review that panned the gun tested. I've read glowing reviews of guns despite the fact that the accuracy data published with the review is anything but exemplary. Either that or they will show accuracy data at 50 yards instead of 100 for a big game rifle like a review of one of the .44 mag Ruger rifles. At first the accuracy figures looked pretty impressive - until I noticed that the data were derived at 50 yards. And this in an article that lauded the guns fine accuracy. Who do they think they're kidding?

The most that any gun rag will admit to is not publishing reviews of guns that don't pass muster.

[The Shrink]

Gentlemen

On one occasion I can remember an article pointing out a major flaw in a firearm, and it was about the Beretta Neos, a hard and inconsistent trigger pull.  There have been, rare but present, situations where gun writers have pointed out a flaw and the company has changed the gun.  I kow, it's rare, and certainly doesn't justify all the other crap they publish, but it has happened.   Let's give credit where it's due, even when it's hard to find in the piles of other stuff.  

Wayne the Shrink

[oso45-70]

YEP, Thats a fact, couldent have said it any better,  Joe

[crow_feather]

Gentlemen,

You should read the last two issues of Rifle Magazine and the articles on the Marlin 45-70 in Africa - that shot clean through two water buffalo.  Great article and really buffs up the 45-70 as a cartridge to be hunting the big ones with.

C F

[grendel]

Cape Buffalo not Water Buffalo.  Still two good reads on the 45-70 and Africa.  The only gun mags I subscribe to are "Rifle" and "Handloader".  American Rifleman I get once a month, read and throw away.  Rifle and Handloader, though they are not as good as the were ten years ago (my collection of both goes back about 12 - 15) they are still the among the best out there.  In fact I have been going through my old binders of them for the last month or so and finding lots of good reading.

Grendel

[papajohn428]

One gun mag I can commend for their journalistic merits is American Handgunner, they have probably lost millions in ad revenue by telling the truth.  Remember the Colt Double Eagle?  AH slammed in so hard that Colt immediately pulled it out of production to fix all the problems, but it never recovered, and was soon dropped.  None of their writers are what you'd call shills, they tell it like it is.  I know, they worship at the altar of the 1911 too much, but they also cover a lot of other stuff.  They also publish nasty letters from the readership, and often respond to the complaints.  Show me another gun mag that does that!  
And to top it all off, their photos are absolutely top-notch.  I have several framed as wall art in my gun room!
PJ