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« on: August 31, 2009, 02:01:42 PM »
  I bought the mossberg 500 two barrel set. One 28 inch mod barrel and one 18.5 cylender bore.
  The tubular magizine dosn't release the second round after you fire and pump the action. Causing you to close the  action on am empty clyender. The store said no problem we will exchange it for another just
come back in. Fair enough. Questions are this. Is this gun problem ridden or did I just get a lemon ????
Are others having problems with theirs ??? 

 

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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2009, 02:46:27 PM »
never had any problems with my 500,even after many hundred of rounds,I think thats the reason the military bought so many.
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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2009, 02:51:01 PM »
Seen every type of problem you can imagine with mossbergs.  It's a gun with a freaking plastic safety, what do you expect?  It doesn't cost much because it's cheaply made.

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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2009, 06:58:38 PM »
Every one I've ever seen on a skeet or sporting clays range broke while being shot. Deduce from that what you will.


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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2009, 04:41:03 AM »
Take it in and get it replaced.

Its not a hard use gun as in hundreds of thousands of rounds fired shooting clays.


BUT for hunting and HD duties is should give you years of service.

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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2009, 05:52:01 AM »
Seen every type of problem you can imagine with mossbergs.  It's a gun with a freaking plastic safety, what do you expect?  It doesn't cost much because it's cheaply made.
Duk...ragging on the Mossies again ;D...I knew when I saw the topic you would be on it.
I think it's a fluke, they've produced a lot of them and they are still being shot a lot out there. The plastic safety is definitely a weak spot, they'll crack at the screwhole, or at least they used to. If you are limited in funds just get it replaced, if not look at a Rem 870 for an upgrade.

BTW--I hate BPS's... ;)
Just kidding, finally saw a used one the other day w/syn stock, fit and finish has always been very nice on the Brownings, maybe this one had an aftermarket stock, but it had a finish similiar to a Hogue stock.
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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2009, 06:05:52 AM »
Seen every type of problem you can imagine with mossbergs.  It's a gun with a freaking plastic safety, what do you expect?  It doesn't cost much because it's cheaply made.
Duk...ragging on the Mossies again ;D...I knew when I saw the topic you would be on it.
I think it's a fluke, they've produced a lot of them and they are still being shot a lot out there. The plastic safety is definitely a weak spot, they'll crack at the screwhole, or at least they used to. If you are limited in funds just get it replaced, if not look at a Rem 870 for an upgrade.

BTW--I hate BPS's... ;)
Just kidding, finally saw a used one the other day w/syn stock, fit and finish has always been very nice on the Brownings, maybe this one had an aftermarket stock, but it had a finish similiar to a Hogue stock.
I feel obligated to add my experience to these threads.  I put myself in the position of a new hunter getting into the sport on a limited budget and I realize how pissed I'd be if I'd spent 250$ on a piece of junk with freaking plastic parts!  Collector's value?  Nope.  Quality craftsmanship?  Nope.  Aesthetics?  Nope.  I work horse gun that will still be firing 100 years after I'm dead?  Nope.  An heirloom you'll be proud to start your kids off with?  Nope.  An ugly, cheap gun that will mostly fire as long as you don't use it too much, keep it clean, and hunt only occasionally?  Yeah, probably.  Why is that anyone's standard? 

The thing I'll never understand is this:  Remington and Benelli each make better guns at similar prices.  There is never a reason to buy a Mossberg, and yet people keep doing it, and they keep breaking down...  sad.  We really need more threads like this one...

BTW, I'm not much into aftermarket shotgun stocks.  What would a Hogue stock look like?

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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 06:56:03 AM »
As I posted before,it seems our military likes our mossberg 590 pretty much,I have both and the Remington is ok but having a safety you can use with ether hand is a plus.
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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2009, 06:59:21 AM »
If we're basing things on the logic of plastic parts then I would suggest a new gun owner stay away from a lot of models. Mossberg didn't compromise on major structural parts as some others have. I think it was a mistake for many of the manuf. to go to composite materials. The one that disturbed me the most was the 10/22.

Remingtons are very well built and ergonomic for a variety of shooters, the Benellis are also ergonomic if you are over 6' and have long arms, otherwise they are awkward at best. You suggested a couple of alternatives that didn't fit your criteria either, the Nova is not a collectors item or necessarily asthetically pleasing nor an heirloom, an 870 Wingmaster yes. Not sure if any current production guns will be firing even 100 years from now,maybe some doubles, Benelli, Beretta autos.

I understand you have seen 500's fail, I wouldn't own one currently because I don't have need for more than one currently and I can spend more money for that one. I would probably go to the 835 and then only for specialty purposes such as turkey or coyotes. As you semi-alluded to, there are however, thousands if not millions of people who hunt ten times a year and then set the thing in the closet until next fall, it works for them.
I realize this is a hot issue for you, sorry to make light of it, I just don't agree that they are the "tomato stakes" you think they are.

The BPS stock looked and felt like an overmolded Hogue stock with the rubber texture on the outside. I wasn't sure if this was standard for them.
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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2009, 07:27:34 AM »
That is not standard.  Last I checked they still make the black synthetic but is has no texture to it other than some fake checkering.  It's in no way rubberized.

I just listed things I would look for in a shotgun.  I agree that the nova is not perfect, and neither is the 870.  But both are better choices.  The perfect choice would be far more debatable, and undeniably more expensive.

I'm 5'9" and I've shot both the nova and the 870 extensively.  I still shoot an 870 at turkeys.  I've never noticed them to fit unusually long. 

My point is this:  If you don't want to pay out for a high quality gun you can still do better than any Mossberg product.  It's really that simple.  If you're going to shoot a bunch either as a hunter or clays shooter, you probably have the experience to know not to get a Mossberg.  In fact you might not get an 870 or Nova either, but my comments were geared more towards the new hunters who don't have that amount of experience.

I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings here.  I realize some guys are attached to their Mossbergs.  Some guys loved Yugos and AMC Pacers.  Some think their Chrysler outboard is easy to get serviced.  I'd just hate to see somebody who doesn't know any better part with their hard earned money for any of those things when there are clearly better options.

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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2009, 08:49:21 AM »
dukkillr,
You are currently using your shotguns a lot more than me so I will certainly have to bow to that expertise, but I'm not of the opinion that Mossbergs are "Pacer/Yugo" bad. They've outlived them both and then some.
I will say I've come around a bit though and the more I think about it would probably go the Rem. pump route vs. Mossberg 500 based on durability, avail. accessories, chokes, barrels,etc. I do still like the various 835's for special applications.
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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2009, 08:54:02 AM »
I've never seen a Mossberg 500 fail, but I've only been at this since 1962.  I like mine.  My son like his.  My buddy like his.
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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2009, 02:43:32 PM »
over the years I've owned two of them, each for only a couple years.

Never had any problems with either, but I didn't put them to hard use so I can't really say how durable they are.

Bought them both used, broke even on the first one when I sold it and made a few dollars on the second one.  So between the two of them I hunted for a few years and got paid for it!

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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2009, 12:45:48 AM »
Every one I've ever seen on a skeet or sporting clays range broke while being shot. Deduce from that what you will.

I'll deduce that you haven't seen my 20 ga New Haven 600 (Same as M-500 but with single action bar) in action on the clays course, or you'd have seen one run perfectly, time after time, with no FTF's, while smokin' more than its share of clay.

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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2009, 01:33:57 AM »
Seen every type of problem you can imagine with mossbergs.  It's a gun with a freaking plastic safety, what do you expect?  It doesn't cost much because it's cheaply made.

I've shot a New Haven M-600 (house-brand M-500) since 1979.  The plastic safety sucks, pure and simple.  I was one disappointed 14 year old kid when mine busted in the middle of a quail hunt thrity years ago.  It took me one period of middle school metal shop class to fashion a replacement out of brass, and about thrity minutes of time to install it.  With that problem solved, the gun has been trouble-free ever since, with zero failures.  For ten years, I shot skeet with it two nights a week, without a hiccup.  For the last several years, I used it bi-weekly for sporting clays, generally spending each session warming up with a round of skeet, then shooting two rounds of sporting with it.

Yeah, I know.....  It's a pump-gun (and a cheap one at that) and a 20 gauge and everybody knows that sporting is a 12 gauge o/u or gas auto game.  You supposedly can't shoot true pairs with a pump.  I don't have any problem doing so.

It is cheaply made in the same way that an AR-15 or Savage M-110 is cheaply made, in that it provides reliable funtion with a decided lack of meticulous hand-fitted parts.  Those parts can be "slapped together" by relatively unskilled labor, which keeps manufacturing cost low.  It also makes detail stripping and re-assembly a cinch, even for a mechanical klutz like me.  Here, "cheaply made" is a stellar advantage to me, because I can easily maintain the gun to a very high standard.  I shoot clay with it several times a week, even on hot, humid Oklahoma summer days, and I appreciate how easy it is to detail strip this gun down, clean, dry, re-lube, and re-assemble.

It might be a cheap gun ( my parents bought it for me for Christmas in 1979, so it didn't cost me anything), but:

1) From new, it cycled with a positive feel, yet was snot-slick smooth to the point of being virtually self loading
2) With the exception of the broken safety, it has otherwise fed, functioned, and discharged with 100% reliability, and even fed those old all plastic Active-brand shells without a problem
3) It fit me reasonably well when I first got it.  It fits me perfectly now.
4) It came stocked with stunning mahogany, every bit as nice as the mahogany that Remington used on 870 LT Wingmasters back in the day, and that was some pretty nice looking wood.

With its original 28" C-Lect Choke barrel, it wasn't a particularly sweet-swinging or dynamic handling gun.  However, installation of a 24" vent-rib Accu-Choke barrel totally cured that problem.  With this current barrel, which its sported for nearly 20 years, it is a very sweet swinging and dynamic handling gun, with the balance point immediately in front of the loading port, or exactly in the middle.  I run extended choke tubes in it and the result is a flat-shooting, "50/50" gun that centers the pattern with every tube from Skeet 1 to Full.

I recently freshened the wood finish and had my local gunsmith re-finish the receiver and install a Limbsaver pad to tweek the LOP to adjust the fit for my current middle aged build.  I spent almost as much getting that done as my mom and spent spent on the purchase of the gun when it was new.  If the thing was a total POS, I would have spent that money on something else.  Now, it is restored to like new condition cosmetically and it still has PLENTY of useful life left in it.  I seriously doubt if I'll wear it out in my lifetime.

Aside from the safety, it has been totally reliable.  I shoot it well.  It is a very sweet-swinging, dynamic handling gun that fits me perfectly.  It patterns very well with a variety of choke/load combinations.  It is easy to maintain.  And while it doesn't have walnut stocks, the wood that it does have is stunning enough to get attention whenever I take it out on the clays course.  There really isn't a whole lot more that I can ask of a shotgun than my 30 year old New Haven by Mossberg delivers.

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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2009, 09:41:20 AM »
  I exchanged the mossberg for a charles daly tactical. It works like a champ is handsome as the day
   is long. Was on sale  and I am happey with it. For my purpose I think it will do fine for a modest priced
   security shotgun.



  Thanks for all the replys.

 

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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2009, 08:39:44 PM »
I bought a mossberg 500 after carrying and handling Ithaca 37's and Rem 870's for work. I never got proficient with the Ithaca or Rem as I usually hunted with a browning Citori. But I didn't like leaving the Citori in the bottom of my boat or getting it mudsoaked hunting ducks. With the Mossy, I don't mind at all and it will work as a paddle if needed.  I have never had a malfunction in the 17 yrs of owning, its light, I'm a mediocre shotgunner but I like the 500. Its controls seem logical to me compared to the 37 or 870. I've taken a turkey, ptarmigan, grouse, a few ducks and geese. I shot it for trap for a while too. I don't use it heavily but carry it quite a bit in really bad conditions, snow, wet, mud, boat bottoms, and I'm confident it will work. The one thing I had to do was build up the comb with duct tape. The synthetic stock comb was too low for me and my thumb would smack my nose in trap - no fun. But that's fixed now and I'm getting ready to buy a 20 ga super bantam 500 for my 11 yr old.
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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2009, 12:13:27 AM »
Bought a 500 in 1972 Paid $79.00 or so out the door with a box of sixs. had all 4 barrels shot a bunch of 3"mags waterfowling it's beeen full of mud water  you name it  and Never mis fired or mis feed.. the 590 which is a 500 with a mag tube you can clean on the inside at user level  Beat the snot out of the 870 in the 3000 or 5000(Iforget the round count) military Magnum Buck shot and slug test. with the number that has been produced things will happen  and lemons will get though
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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2009, 05:22:14 AM »
Bought an ole pedersen bar 20 ga.mossberg at Globe drug back in 1973..They had 'em on sale for 75$..looked at the display model an told them I'll take it...Salesmen says you can't have our display model(has beautiful wood)I'll get you one out of the back..I tole him "If it don't look as good as this one deals off".He was gone inna back for a while and he comes back and he sez, "I guess you'll get the display model you wanted. It's the last iof the 20 ga.'s " Killed my only ever triple on quail with this gun, some ducks,  a few rabbits, and lots of squirrel.. i'm so crippled nowadays i,usually use one of my lightweight single shots for squirrel, but the old Mossberg gets to go occasionally..have never had a problem of any kind with it..
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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2009, 10:39:07 AM »
Like others here, I've been shooting my Mossbergs since back in the early 80s. Not a glitch with either of them. I've used my 12 for skeet, trap, and sporting clays, ususally all in the same day. The 20 has shot all kinds of birds(clay and feathered) along with rabbits and squirrels. The 12 has taken about every game animal in Va except a bear. The only problem I've had, was with my 12 was when the action wouldn't lock. Tore it down and found a grass seed lodged in with the locking mechanism. Not the gun's fault..mine. Both of these shotguns and I have traveled a lot of miles together in the hunting field. I'll keep on carrying them, thank ya very much.

Oh, I watched a guy tearing his Perrazi apart at the range a couple of times. Others carry extra parts for a good assortment of those fancy "B" guns. Me, I just take my shotguns and shells.


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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2009, 03:14:26 AM »
I don't have much experience with a Mossberg shotgun. I bought a new .410 Model 500 once. Brought it home and loaded 3 rounds to test fire it. On the second round fired, the extractor hook broke off. I took it back to the dealer for a refund. Never bought another one. Mossberg made some excellent bolt action .22 rimfire rifles though. I have one, made in the 1950's, that is very accurate and well made.

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Re: mossberg lemon
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2009, 05:46:11 AM »
Both my brother and I shoot the Mossberg 500s our dad gave us years ago.  Never have we had a problem with their functionality/durability, period.  The tang safety has never broken on us, but I do love its location, right where your thumb naturally rests.  It's a plain-janer, but it shoots great!