united nations and gun laws

[45-70.gov]

i  got a call a few days ago from the NRA
a fund raiser  to stop  the senate  fron engaging in a treaty with the united nations

i don't  listen to people asking for  money
but has any one else  heard  this

suposedly  this  is due to  the drug dealers in mexico
not  the  old proposition 19  thats  been  around for 20 years

if  there  is already a tread for this  post the link

[Cabin4]

We need to declare articales of confederation and seceed from the UN.

[Dee]

Hell, I wish Texas would secede from the United States!
The UN members vote against the United States over 90% of the time. I, for the life of me cannot figure out why the jackasses in D.C. give a damn what the UN thinks about ANYTHING! I know I don't. Whether the "Triple H" (obama) comes for my guns, or the UN, the result will be the same.

[teamnelson]

Supremacy Clause in Article VI of the Constitution, all treaties are rendered "the supreme law of the land," superseding preexisting state and federal statutes. Any rights or laws established by the U.N. convention could then be argued to hold sway in the United States.

There are numerous treaties being reviewed; Barbara Boxer is focused on the child rights law, which among other things would make the age of consent 12, may affect gun rights, may affect whether or not we can home school, etc. Other countries who've signed the treaty include those that traffic in teen prostitution ... It will drastically empower the social education agenda, and collaterally weaken all other rights deemed harmful to the children.

BTW, lest we lose perspective, many of the international children's relief organizations have 85% or higher operating costs, and have been charged with fraud, abuse, and in some cases child prostitution. All of them work with the UN on children's rights issues.

Remember, its all about the children. You want what's best for them, don't you?

[Cabin4]

No UN treaty, agreement or anything can trump the constitution. Only an idiot in the white house or collective idiots in congress could allow such a ridiculous violation of our sovereignty & civil rights to occur. So clearly, this is quite possible!

[45-70.gov]

a treaty only has to pass the senate??   i heard  that

is  the senate fill-a-buster proof  with  the lady killer  gone??

[gypsyman]

I think it's time for me to join the John Birch Society. They wanted to get us out of the U.N. 45 years ago.
I think it's been in this country long enough. Cut the funding, and get it over to Europe where most of those leech's can suck up somebody else's money. gypsyman

[Dixie Dude]

I read somewhere that the US gives 25% of the UN budget with Japan giving 15% and Germany 10%.  That is half their total money from just 3 countries.  It is based on the GNP of each country.  About 90% is paid by the western nations.  The poor nations the rest.  However there are far more poor nations with a vote.  I think the vote should be on the ability to pay.  We could then always get a few countries to be our allies.  Or get out. 

[powderman]

Agreed with most all said. We need out of the un, and get the un out of America. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

Dee I agree there needs to be sucession, but is best be more than Texas because there is going to be a huge influx of refugees.


Out of the UN now!

[Brett]

We need to declare articales of confederation and seceed from the UN.

Amen brother.  Getting involved in the UN was one of the worst decisions our Government has ever made.  We get to foot the bill for every disaster world wide and get to send our young men and women of to fight their wars and we get absolutely nothing in return.  I wish the heck we would tell the UN to count us out.  We don't need the UN.   

[Questor]

The UN has one gun law: disarm civilians.

This is ironic because the UN has been in the best position to see what happens in countries with disarmed citizens (Rwanda, North Korea, etc.)

[Cabin4]

The UN has one gun law: disarm civilians.

This is ironic because the UN has been in the best position to see what happens in countries with disarmed citizens (Rwanda, North Korea, etc.)

An unarmed, scared and submissive citizen is a good one, as far as the Liberal UN is concerned. That's how they are best prepared to set up deals with the oppressive governments to steal you blind in some form or fashion. This strategy is at the core of the Liberals in control. Liberals that ascend into power are only there to control and steal you blind. The free giveaways and hand outs are just a smoke screen for the pervasive corruption they employ.

[45-70.gov]

The UN has one gun law: disarm civilians.

This is ironic because the UN has been in the best position to see what happens in countries with disarmed citizens (Rwanda, North Korea, etc.)

An unarmed, scared and submissive citizen is a good one, as far as the Liberal UN is concerned. That's how they are best prepared to set up deals with the oppressive governments to steal you blind in some form or fashion. This strategy is at the core of the Liberals in control. Liberals that ascend into power are only there to control and steal you blind. The free giveaways and hand outs are just a smoke screen for the pervasive corruption they employ.

so-dam  husain   sure backed  the  UN  down  when they wanted  ti do  inspections
your  correct   the  UN only bullies  the defenceless
that  is why they want  us  that way

luckily GEORGE BUSH  didn't  back down  from  who-sane
or  the  UN  would still  be  threatening  with  ''resolutions''  while  he built  a nuke

[rockbilly]

NATO leader may wish to enforce some of their laws on the American people but I'm sure they would be in for a fight.  I may not have the fight left in me that I once had, but rest assured I would fight for America if NATO troops tried to enforce their rules on the American people.

[Cabin4]

NATO leader may wish to enforce some of their laws on the American people but I'm sure they would be in for a fight.  I may not have the fight left in me that I once had, but rest assured I would fight for America if NATO troops tried to enforce their rules on the American people.

I must not understand NATO's ability to enforce civilian laws/actions. I understand NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Org)  to only be a military agreement between participating nations. What laws does NATO have or enforce anywhere?

[BBF]

rockbilly:
The NATO foces aren't even happy to be in Afghanistan, they are not the problem. It is that nest of banksters, activist artists and entertainment producers, media CEO's One worlders, elitists, welfare bums and bleeding heart liberals in general that have gotten you all to the present state.

BTW, I was wondering if the Birchers still existed, appearently they do.

[petemi]

Screw the rest of the world.  No one does anything for us.  The whole world would be better if they had let MacArthur run through China and consolidate Korea in the early 50s.  They let the Russians take Berlin, etc., etc.  We could't bomb Haiphong city or international shipping in the harbor....so guess what.....the U.N made us loose the war.  We kicked Kadaffi's ass and he shut up.  We are strong and should use that strength at our own discretion and not be tied down in a whimp, confining organization like the U.N.  The second they seek to control us, we should be out of there....in fact, we should be out now.  The token help they give us in the fight against terrorism isn't worth a squat.

We should bring our troops home, and use our military might to squash hotspots....Useing land, sea, and air power without constraints, including nuclear weapons if needed to protect our country.

I'll step down off the podium now.

Pete

[gypsyman]

BBF, at present time, I am not a member. But at a few of the gun shows I set up at, they have a table handing out info. They have a magazine out called The New American. There is a you tube video from one of their founders. It's in black and white, dated from around '64 or '65. Their main push back then was against communism, big govt., and the U.N. Doesn't sound to radical in this day and age. gypsyman

[Cabin4]

We are just fine and should keep our troops inside our boarders. The hell with the rest of the world. We have our own energy. Let the terroroist kill each other in thier countries if they want. What the hell can Iraq or Afganistan do for us in return for all our blood and money?? Nothing.

[gstewart44]

Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), is a landmark case in which the United States Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution supersedes international treaties ratified by the United States Senate. According to the decision, "this Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty,".

SCOTUS ruled.    The only question is will a new SCOTUS overturn it......

[SHOOTALL]

We are a super power and should act as such . We act like the mother and father that wants to be their kids friend instead of theit parent ! We don't need friends we need and should demand respect ! *#@$#@$%*)@# the UN !

[dukkillr]

Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), is a landmark case in which the United States Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution supersedes international treaties ratified by the United States Senate. According to the decision, "this Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty,".

SCOTUS ruled.    The only question is will a new SCOTUS overturn it......

No.  See when you use facts and reason you hurt the cause of the crazy talk.  Now we can no longer proclaim with wild eyed enthusiasm (and amazing certainty) that the UN will force into a gay marriage based society with no guns and tons of abortions, public concentration camps, and only the Muslim religion!  Look at what you have done!  Baby Killer!

[Cabin4]

Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), is a landmark case in which the United States Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution supersedes international treaties ratified by the United States Senate. According to the decision, "this Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty,".

SCOTUS ruled.    The only question is will a new SCOTUS overturn it......

No.  See when you use facts and reason you hurt the cause of the crazy talk.  Now we can no longer proclaim with wild eyed enthusiasm (and amazing certainty) that the UN will force into a gay marriage based society with no guns and tons of abortions, public concentration camps, and only the Muslim religion!  Look at what you have done!  Baby Killer!

Has anyone one here heard of Sotomoyor who was recently appointed to the US Supreme Court? What about the idiot Ginsburg??? Both hese idiots sit on our supreme court and both have made arguments and statements supporting the use of Non-US Law to ajudicate! These supreme court judges could care less about our constituion. Its a banana republic court and they would treat post-it notes found on a subway car as law if it serves thier ideological bias.

[RMD from TX]

Hell, I wish Texas would secede from the United States!
The UN members vote against the United States over 90% of the time. I, for the life of me cannot figure out why the jackasses in D.C. give a damn what the UN thinks about ANYTHING! I know I don't. Whether the "Triple H" (obama) comes for my guns, or the UN, the result will be the same.

Amen! I could rant about why Texas needs to secede for days. The U.N. is just one of many many issues.

Also, anyone else notice that the pres hasn't visited Texas but he has been to Mexico how many times?

[teamnelson]

If Texas should secede I would ask that they negotiate exchange of citizens with the US and Mexico, allowing all Texans currently serving in the Armed Forces to return home, and allowing all non-Texans the opportunity to leave or file for a visa.

[45-70.gov]

Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), is a landmark case in which the United States Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution supersedes international treaties ratified by the United States Senate. According to the decision, "this Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty,".

SCOTUS ruled.    The only question is will a new SCOTUS overturn it......

No.  See when you use facts and reason you hurt the cause of the crazy talk.  Now we can no longer proclaim with wild eyed enthusiasm (and amazing certainty) that the UN will force into a gay marriage based society with no guns and tons of abortions, public concentration camps, and only the Muslim religion!  Look at what you have done!  Baby Killer!

Has anyone one here heard of Sotomoyor who was recently appointed to the US Supreme Court? What about the idiot Ginsburg??? Both hese idiots sit on our supreme court and both have made arguments and statements supporting the use of Non-US Law to ajudicate! These supreme court judges could care less about our constituion. Its a banana republic court and they would treat post-it notes found on a subway car as law if it serves thier ideological bias.

sotomiser  beleives   international law should influence supreme court decisions

[Cabin4]

Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), is a landmark case in which the United States Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution supersedes international treaties ratified by the United States Senate. According to the decision, "this Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty,".

SCOTUS ruled.    The only question is will a new SCOTUS overturn it......

No.  See when you use facts and reason you hurt the cause of the crazy talk.  Now we can no longer proclaim with wild eyed enthusiasm (and amazing certainty) that the UN will force into a gay marriage based society with no guns and tons of abortions, public concentration camps, and only the Muslim religion!  Look at what you have done!  Baby Killer!

Has anyone one here heard of Sotomoyor who was recently appointed to the US Supreme Court? What about the idiot Ginsburg??? Both hese idiots sit on our supreme court and both have made arguments and statements supporting the use of Non-US Law to ajudicate! These supreme court judges could care less about our constituion. Its a banana republic court and they would treat post-it notes found on a subway car as law if it serves thier ideological bias.

sotomiser  beleives   international law should influence supreme court decisions

On this basis alone, she is unqualified to be a judtge in any court. Same with the moron Ginsburg.

So when someone cites the protections in the constituion, I have to laugh. These judges could care less about the constituion. They will do what they want. The constition is meaningless to them. The UN has real influence that can and will superceed our constituion.

[slim rem 7]

im gonna have to read a little more about that...but a treaty between our govt an the u.n.
 will be as predicted .. the fig leaves are greening up...i always wondered why the armies of gog an magog never seemed to me to have anything to do with the united states,,at least to me..mabe because it won t exist...
 change is constant... but the great I AMs purpose will be finally realized ...he never changed.
 his grace is sufficient ...if able to fight i will ,,if only able to endure ,,i will try my best..
  boys i don t know if you realise the full implications of what you are talking about..you talkin about a situation that will,, im thinking,, be our hell on earth..this for those who remember the united states of america...we may get to experience what the native americans endured... in any case we know from thier example that there can be no peace with the powers of the day.. fight to the last man...we don t have a different shade of skin to know our enemy by...jmo slim
 ps im putting most of my guns into hands a lot steadier than mine,,so they won t be confiscated...
 i  keep my savage 06 ,a shot gun,, a 22,my handguns ,,for the time being,,anyway....
 but if they gettum ,,
they gonna take right smart of smithing to makeum shoot anything.. of that i gurantee...
 one idea is to take one of the enemy out everytime he test my guns... huum..now how could that get below thier radar..oughta be away..they ll come get me tonite for this post.. high treason or patriot,,just depends on
how you look at it... if i live long enough... i know how im going out ...as a winner or real poor loser..

[SHOOTALL]

really droping out would be bad since we sit on the security cons. and can vote down veto any thing they want passed .