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Shooting off a boat??
« on: September 10, 2009, 02:20:05 PM »
I did not really know where to post this....... me and my family were at my uncles summer house around Pottersville, NY. We went out for a boat ride on a public lake,,, i think Schroon lake. Theirs this big sandbar everyone parks there boat on to play and hangout on the beach...public.... and when we pulled in we hear gunshots. the first shot sounded like a pistol but then we heard shotguns..and  we looked, maybe 300 yards down the beach.... these (censored word) are shooting clay pigeons off their boat.
       

   So my uncle called the county police and told them were we were and that people were shooting guns off their boat..... i don't know what there response was....but about 30 minutes later the guys headed out.. so my uncle called them back and told them that the boat left..... guess what their response was.. are you ready?? and i quote " well we called up DEC and they said it goose season "  what the hell kind of answer is that? there is no geese around that area....               any thoughts or comments???
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2009, 09:33:07 AM »
I don't know if its illegal or not to shoot off a boat, but waterfowl hunters sometimes do. I would be concerned especially if they were shooting in the direction of people, using lead shot, in the direction of cottages, etc etc.
The reply from police is common, unfortunately.
My last encounter with a DEC warden was at a local post office when I tried to ask him a question, he was extremely rude. The clay target shooters didn't exercise good judgement. Glad no one was hurt.


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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2009, 09:40:19 AM »
whats wrong with shoting off your boat ? We do all the time with a shotgun . Some lakes here allow it others don't same on the rivers . The largest lake near me you can shoot on the north end but not the south end . Any summer weekend it would not be hard to see 1000 boats and personal watercraft on the lake . I have also seen airplanes land and take off from it .
Why does it alarm you to hear shooting ?
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2009, 09:47:16 AM »
Is it illegal to shoot clay pidgeons off a boat? I guess I see no problem with it. Sounds like an  over reaqction to me. As for the lead I seewhere there are laws against hunting with it over water, but nothing about target practice. I think you guys were over reactin g and interfering with someones fun.
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2009, 09:50:01 AM »
use steel shot if it bothers ya ! ;D
That's what is wrong with the world today everyone minding other peoples business ( READ BIG BROTHER) if it don't effect you butt out !
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2009, 01:40:25 PM »
 Not to raise another issue, but what about loaded guns in or on a motorized vehicle
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2009, 01:48:43 AM »
as long as it has stopped forward travel from a motor or sail ( in Va. ) you can row , paddle , drift and shoot . IE duck and goose hunting are good examples .
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2009, 04:56:15 PM »
That's what is wrong with the world today everyone minding other peoples business ( READ BIG BROTHER) if it don't effect you butt out !

It is not bad enough that we have every anti Gun and anti hunter out there harassing us and constantly calling the DEC and LEO, Now we have to worry about our own fellow outdoorsman harassing us. Not everyone has the funds or the access to plush shooting facilities like we see on TV. So these guys were out shooting claybirds off their Boat.....Big deal. They were not shooting stop signs on a country road or shooting High power Rifles in a crowded development.

Hermit, I agree....Most every DEC officer i have ever talked to seem to come off very rude and belittling.
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2009, 04:59:38 PM »
Depends greatly if they were in any way endangering the people on the sand bar. Common sense should have told the shooter if he was OK or not.
  We should remember, if there are 200 people on a beach and we start shooting around them, chances are at least 75% of them are not gun savvy, by frightening them we can cause a great deal of ill will toward our sport.
  Don't know if these guys were wrong or not, can't tell from here..but we should be circumspect indeed..trying hard not to give the perception that all hunters are "slobs".
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2009, 05:36:18 PM »
Is that all it takes to get a little peace and quiet from the jet-skis and tubers while you are trying to fish?
 I will be toting the 870 next summer on my fishing trips.
 It is funny though, a guy posing with a turkey he shot crying about someone else shooting a gun.
 Wonder how he would have felt if someone called the sheriff when he was hunting?!
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2009, 05:44:20 PM »
If they weren't shooting towards anyone and just busting caps and and clay birds, Whats the harm?

Maybe we have a anti gunner here in "sheeps clothing" !

I shoot ducks out of a boat and know a lot of people that do. I live in the country with neighbors all around but we  shoot clays a lot in the summer! We dont shoot at anyone's home but they are no more than 300 yards away at one place!

Lighten up pardner! If you cant help "us" then dont help the bear!

Edited to fix a fat finger mistake!
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2009, 12:16:37 AM »
Waht law was broken? I know here in Massachusetts you can shoot from a motorized water craft as long as it isn't under power.
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2009, 12:36:36 AM »
I guess my concern would be what effect the clay pigions had on the lake?  I'm not a clay shooter, but I do know they are poisions to hogs, so I would wonder about their effect on fish?

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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2009, 01:13:38 AM »
  Hey; I don't support killjoys, but let's be cognizant of not presenting the wrong picture. We need to pull people to our side, not alienate them.
  Surely, as far as I know, there is no general law about shooting from a boat and as long as they do it safely, there should be no complaint. Let's keep in mind though, we need all the votes we can get to keep our sport legal.
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2009, 04:05:32 PM »
The standard White Flyer targets used at many gun clubs are not toxic to livestock.  However, the shards are sharp enough to injure a hog (which may be the only animal that might try to eat them).  Here in Alaska, shooting clays from a boat is common.  Tourists like to do it.  The Coast Guard sometimes shoots clays from their cutters but I don't know if the practice is officially sanctioned.  I am glad you fellows in NY can still legally own guns.  The people you send to Congress sure don't want anyone other than their personal body guards to have guns.
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2009, 05:44:48 PM »
Quote from: BirdHunter94 on September 10, 2009, 02:20:05 PM
I did not really know where to post this....... me and my family were at my uncles summer house around Pottersville, NY. We went out for a boat ride on a public lake,,, i think Schroon lake. Theirs this big sandbar everyone parks there boat on to play and hangout on the beach...public.... and when we pulled in we hear gunshots. the first shot sounded like a pistol but then we heard shotguns..and  we looked, maybe 300 yards down the beach.... these (censored word) are shooting clay pigeons off their boat.
       

   So my uncle called the county police and told them were we were and that people were shooting guns off their boat..... i don't know what there response was....but about 30 minutes later the guys headed out.. so my uncle called them back and told them that the boat left..... guess what their response was.. are you ready?? and i quote " well we called up DEC and they said it goose season "  what the hell kind of answer is that? there is no geese around that area....               any thoughts or comments???


leave  them and the  police  alone

its hard enough to find a place to shoot

next  time  bring  your  own  gun  and some skeets  they may flip  them for  you

NOW   YOU KNOW A GOOD PLACE TO SHOOT
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2009, 04:29:14 AM »
the weird ting as I see it is he posts the complaints and never came back to post again or answer any of the questions posed. I see a wolf in sheeps clothing and he is getting the response he wanted such as all of us complaining about how we hate to be shook down by dec and leo and how dec officers are all rude etc. That is just what he wanted to see posted.  A great game of divide and conquer. 
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2009, 08:58:51 AM »
Quote from: bubba on October 04, 2009, 04:29:14 AM
the weird ting as I see it is he posts the complaints and never came back to post again or answer any of the questions posed. I see a wolf in sheeps clothing and he is getting the response he wanted such as all of us complaining about how we hate to be shook down by dec and leo and how dec officers are all rude etc. That is just what he wanted to see posted.  A great game of divide and conquer. 

?? okay i just didnt know what to say about all the responses... im only 14
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2009, 09:05:57 AM »
Birdhunter , you started off with an opinion , do you still hold it ? or have you seen a different point of view and changed your mind ? You are entitled to your own opinion and to change it if you like .
 It seems like a lesson in personal freedom and how others view it .
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2009, 09:56:06 AM »
Quote from: BirdHunter94 on October 06, 2009, 08:58:51 AM
Quote from: bubba on October 04, 2009, 04:29:14 AM
the weird ting as I see it is he posts the complaints and never came back to post again or answer any of the questions posed. I see a wolf in sheeps clothing and he is getting the response he wanted such as all of us complaining about how we hate to be shook down by dec and leo and how dec officers are all rude etc. That is just what he wanted to see posted.  A great game of divide and conquer. 

?? okay i just didnt know what to say about all the responses... im only 14

you  stick  with  us  and  you will be  ok
just  be proud  we  tell   you  like it  is


being  scolded  by  us  is an HONOR...[maybe  i am stretching  it there]

some  of them   got  on me  because  i beleived  i was profiled by the  police.....lol
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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2009, 09:57:42 AM »
You baited the cops ! ;D
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2009, 10:10:05 AM »
Birdhunter94 Just try to keep an open mind I don't think anyone was trying to scold you. just trying to let you know there probably were mitigating circumstances and at 14 if you had never been in a situation like that it would have made me ask questions also?
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2009, 10:52:33 AM »
Also Birdhunter, you are pretty young and guns/shooting  and hunting has been portrayed in a different light than when most of us were your age. For you if someone brought a gun to school the police would be called and they would be arrested and expelled. When I was a student the principle, shop teacher and Gym teacher would be called and they would be looking at the ducks we shot before school. I think by your peers you have been taught to over react to even seeing a gun.

People like you are the future of our gun rights, use this as a learning experiance and keep the torch burning for gun owners rights.
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2009, 11:08:39 AM »
Shooting from a boat is not illegal and being 300 yards away would not endanger the other people if they were shooting in another direction. Were they shooting directly towards the other people?
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2009, 11:16:50 AM »
Quote from: SHOOTALL on October 06, 2009, 09:05:57 AM
Birdhunter , you started off with an opinion , do you still hold it ? or have you seen a different point of view and changed your mind ? You are entitled to your own opinion and to change it if you like .
 It seems like a lesson in personal freedom and how others view it .

my opinion has changed a little...
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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2009, 11:17:26 AM »
Quote from: billy_56081 on October 06, 2009, 10:52:33 AM
Also Birdhunter, you are pretty young and guns/shooting  and hunting has been portrayed in a different light than when most of us were your age. For you if someone brought a gun to school the police would be called and they would be arrested and expelled. When I was a student the principle, shop teacher and Gym teacher would be called and they would be looking at the ducks we shot before school. I think by your peers you have been taught to over react to even seeing a gun.

People like you are the future of our gun rights, use this as a learning experiance and keep the torch burning for gun owners rights.

yea i know waht you mean..my uncle joe said he used to get on the bus with his .22 rifle
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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2009, 02:05:20 PM »
14 huh?  then you must have recently took a hunter safety course?  did they teach you the 4 rules of safe gun handling? if so, did the guys on the boat violate these rules?  If not then take another course.  I have been teaching it for over 25 years.  If you had stated you were only 14 I would have jumped harder. Just kidding.  But I guess you can see how your comments were like hitting a bees nest. I agree you are entitled to your opinion and I respect you for being man enough to stick to your beliefs even if it goes against public opinion. But unless a law was being broken or a safety rule was being broken, then there is no worry.
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Re: Shooting off a boat??
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2009, 03:47:13 PM »
well  bird hunter

you  gonna  go shoot with  them if you see them  again

once  on   the water  we  shot straight  up
and  saw  the pellets hit the water near by
then  walked  then  in  till  we  shot  our selves


was  that a safty  rule  broken   bubba??.......they  didn't  hurt  much
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« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2009, 02:20:52 AM »
I've done that shooting geese , and them pelletd hurt !
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« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2009, 03:49:02 PM »
no safety rules broken just plain dumb at its best.  A great thing to be telling a kid to do.
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