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Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« on: September 15, 2009, 03:20:23 AM »
Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
   
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September 11, 2009
A policy research group says the Taliban have a significant presence in almost every corner of Afghanistan, eight years after their overthrow by US-led forces.
A security map by the London-based International Council on Security and Development (ICOS) showed a deepening security crisis with substantial Taliban activity in at least 97 percent of the war-ravaged country.
The council added that the militants now have a “permanent presence” in 80 percent of the country.
ICOS defined “permanent” presence as one or more attacks a week and “substantial” as one or more attacks a month.
ICOS noted the Taliban are substantially active in another 17 percent of Afghan territory.
The report comes at a time as insurgency has skyrocketed in southern and eastern provinces where the US-led forces have lost several grounds to the Taliban linked militants.


The insurgency has intensified in the eastern and southern provinces. The US-led forces in Afghanistan lost 77 more troops in August, setting a new monthly record since the invasion began in 2001.
Based on the report, insurgent attacks have increased dramatically across northern Afghanistan as well.
The developments also come after 125 people, many of them civilians, were killed and scores of others injured on last Friday.
NATO warplanes targeted stolen fuel tankers on orders of a German commander in the northern Kunduz province. Kunduz was once considered relatively safe.
More than 140 Afghan civilians were killed in a series of US airstrikes in the western Farah province in early May.
More than 1,000 civilians have lost their lives either in US-led air strikes or in the Taliban-led insurgency across the violence-wracked country in the first half of the current year, according to a UN report.
Civilians have been the main victims of violence in Afghanistan, particularly in the troubled southern and eastern provinces.
The UN also noticed that the number of civilians killed in the Afghanistan conflict has jumped 24 percent so far this year.
The frightening picture comes at a time when the chief prosecutor at the International Criminal Court (ICC) says investigators are studying evidence of alleged crimes against humanity in Afghanistan.
Media reports said the North Atlantic Treaty Organization — which includes US and other western troops — could potentially become the target of an ICC prosecution.
The group further warned of a power vacuum if Afghanistan’s presidential election goes to a runoff.
Political uncertainty and civilian causalities have increased pressure on the US and its western allies to pull out troops from the violence-wracked country.

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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2009, 03:34:11 PM »
simply put this is a religious war and we will not win it with our tactics.
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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2009, 07:10:09 AM »
Typical anti American disinformation wrapped in official sounding organization mumbo jumbo...

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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2009, 07:49:13 AM »
Why should we care about their civilians.They would kill as many of us as they could.The Afghanis should clean up their own mess.Their culture is about 400 years behind the rest of the world and needs an education.I say bomb the hell out of them and then surgically extract the Taliban.Then get out of the country.Afghan is the Ahole of the world lets wipe it up.Leave the war to the generals we've got our own problems here in the US for our politicians to take care of. These hate mongering mullahs here in the US need to be confronted.If they dont like us,dont want to speak our language,and accept our social mores show the SOBs the way out

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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2009, 02:40:43 PM »
reminds me of viet nam. I remember the people just staring at us when we entered a village. I got the feeling most of them just wanted to be left alone.

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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2009, 09:05:59 AM »
Obama has put in new rules of engagement! The troops can no longer call for air-strikes and artillery when they engagé the enemy. It might hurt a civilian!
 The bad guys know this and it is why they no longer running and stand and fight. our guys are now fighting without the superior fire power they had.
  So many more of our guys are being killed! Obama wants Americans to grow tired of this war and quit!
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2009, 10:30:03 AM »
I believe Obama is gonna quite, therefore loose, in Afghanistan and use the excuse that it's Bush's fault 'cause Bush went into Iraq instead of "finishing the real war" in Afghanistan.

The worst thing about my prediction is that WAY to many will unquestionably accept that!  Mark my words. Today is 10/1/09.

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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2009, 11:06:35 AM »
Every one in history who has tried Afghanistan has lost.  Everyone.  Why should we be any different? 
We are not even close to trying as hard as Russia did, and they lost, how in the world do you think it's possible for us to win in Afghanistan if we are not
even willing to do the things they did?  They actually did try to kill everyone there, including cutting open pregnant Afghan women so they would not have to fight their babies when they grew up.  With our rules of being careful, and reading them their rights you actually expect to win in Afghansitan?  No one has taken Afghanistan.  There is no government there, only tribes of warriors that will never give up to anyone, they fight each other for fun if nobody else is available to fight.  We might as well quit under the current circumstances. 


 



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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2009, 11:14:26 AM »
Typical anti American disinformation wrapped in official sounding organization mumbo jumbo...

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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2009, 02:05:58 PM »
BEERBELLY. Are you sure about the no air strikes??? Hadn't heard that. If true it's wrong. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2009, 02:13:27 PM »
Obama has put in new rules of engagement! The troops can no longer call for air-strikes and artillery when they engagé the enemy. It might hurt a civilian!
 The bad guys know this and it is why they no longer running and stand and fight. our guys are now fighting without the superior fire power they had.
  So many more of our guys are being killed! Obama wants Americans to grow tired of this war and quit!
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Do you have a source for this? I would think the commanders over there would resign over this. That is an order I would never follow.
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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2009, 05:13:05 PM »
I have it first hand that air strikes are taking place daily.  They are just more careful.  For every civilian you kill, 100 new enemies are created.
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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2009, 02:45:24 AM »
I saw it on TV about two or three weeks ago. The reporter and camera man were with the Marines kicking the bad guys out of a village. They were in a pretty  good fire fight. The reporter said the bad guys would now stand and fight, where the used to run away, as the marines could no longer call in air or artillery so as not to cause civilian casualties.
  Two or three days later I saw where an air strike had been called in on a fuel tanker the bad guys had captured. But the strike was called in by German troops, not our guys. They were afraid they were going to blow up their compound with the fuel truck.
  The reporter may have not known what he was talking about I don’t know. I do know the normal way they do it is call in the heavy stuff on the bad guys they are trying to dig out. Keeps our guys from getting killed.
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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2009, 03:14:18 AM »
Big O don't want any of the soldiers coming back that's just more people unemployed because of his economy.

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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2009, 03:18:41 AM »
I saw it on TV about two or three weeks ago. The reporter and camera man were with the Marines kicking the bad guys out of a village. They were in a pretty  good fire fight. The reporter said the bad guys would now stand and fight, where the used to run away, as the marines could no longer call in air or artillery so as not to cause civilian casualties.
  Two or three days later I saw where an air strike had been called in on a fuel tanker the bad guys had captured. But the strike was called in by German troops, not our guys. They were afraid they were going to blow up their compound with the fuel truck.
  The reporter may have not known what he was talking about I don’t know. I do know the normal way they do it is call in the heavy stuff on the bad guys they are trying to dig out. Keeps our guys from getting killed.
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The Germans called in the airstrike because they found the trucks.  The Germans were supposed to stay there until the planes got there to ensure there were no civilans around the trucks but they ran away.  An F-15E Strike Eagle took care of the trucks.  This is first hand knowledge.
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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2009, 03:26:50 AM »
simply put this is a religious war and we will not win it with our tactics.


I agree! And, just what do  we hope to win?

We need to concentrate on winning our own country back from two corrupt political parties selling us down the tube, and leave the rest of the world alone to sort out their own problems. >:(



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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2009, 03:42:15 AM »
That won't work.  We tried it before.  There are more wolves than sheep.
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2009, 04:20:26 AM »
Why is anyone up in arms about the Taliban? It's their country. They're not Al Quaeda and don't operate outside Afghanistan, except some into Pakistan. They are not even like Al Quaeda.
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2009, 08:43:37 AM »
They are worse than devils.  They need to go.
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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2009, 11:13:37 AM »
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This is first hand knowledge.

Unless you were PERSONALLY there on the ground to see it then it is at best SECOND HAND KNOWLEDGE. Just as with all the other wisdom you chose to share with us you're no more accurate here than on it. You don't think, you only THINK YOU KNOW.


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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2009, 11:17:43 AM »
My son is making those airstrikes.  :o
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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2009, 04:55:58 AM »
Its the "nobody ever did so we cant" and "the Taliban is different than Al Queda" defeatist "acceptance" I was warning about!

Another thing, we are NOT fighting them like that "great" power the Soviets did. Neither tactically nor pollitically. There are ZERO similarities.

Al Queda is Taliban, Taliban is Al Queda. They are mutually supporting. Neither can survive in AFGHANISTAN without the other...

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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2009, 04:58:09 AM »
Swampman, remind your son to "keep it in the paint " for us and thank him. 

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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2009, 05:18:14 AM »
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Its the "nobody ever did so we cant" and "the Taliban is different than Al Queda" defeatist "acceptance" I was warning about!

Another thing, we are NOT fighting them like that "great" power the Soviets did. Neither tactically nor pollitically. There are ZERO similarities.

Al Queda is Taliban, Taliban is Al Queda. They are mutually supporting. Neither can survive in AFGHANISTAN without the other


Very true.  The Taliban and al Queda are intertwined to the point that they are the same organization.  The
"Taliban is different from al Queda" trash comes from the Saudis.  They very same Saudis who are responsible for the existence of both the Taliban and al Queda.  The Saudis were supportative of al Queda so long as they were only killing westerners in Saudi Arabia:  When Al Queda started attacking Aramco and the Saudi royals that attitude changed. 

A few years ago the Saudi king put forward a plan where the Saudis would mediate negotiations with the Taliban, the Karzai government and the US.  Bush and Karzai bought into that plan.  This was one of the reasons that Bush steadfastly refused to send enough troops to Afghanistan to get the job done. 

Now the war is in the hands of the Obama bunch who have also bought into the lie that the Taliban and al
Queda are distinct and different organizations. 

We will probably lose this one. 

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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2009, 06:21:02 AM »
Think what you like, but Taliban is little threat to the US. Probably better to have them in Afghanistan than a formal government because then US has flexibility in attacking and occupying as necessary. They are completely different from Al Quaeda in that Al Quaeda is global. Taliban is local. Two totally different spheres of influence. Taliban may be an ally to Al Quaeda for certain things but who cares?  The Saudi Arabian government is an ally to Al Quaeda too.

Bottom line is that we're getting out of Afghanistan as soon as our "leaders" figure out that we have no national interest in being there.  There is no goal.

My questions to anybody who thinks we should have soldiers in Afghanistan are:
1) What good have our soldiers done during the past five years in Afghanistan?
2) What aim justifies sending American soldiers to their deaths in Afghanistan?
3) What is your concept of victory in Afghanistan?
4) What pressures are being put on Pakistan because of US occupation of Afghanistan? Are they in America's best interest?
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Re: Taliban hold sway over in 97% of Afghanistan
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2009, 09:03:23 AM »
1. they have sent a whole lot of them off to see Alla!
2. we are not sending them to their deaths, you make it sound as if we are certain to have all our soldiers killed there, WE are sending the enemy of of nation to their deaths. Better to have the killing fields over there than here, much better.
3. all that would harm our nation were dead and the rest quit fighting? I know that is a little unrealistic however, that would be victory.
4.All lot internaly so we must pick up the pace of killing all our enimies in both countries!

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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2009, 09:58:27 AM »
We should evacuate the place ASAP. Get our troops the heck out of there. We are spending $10billion a month of our tax payers money there and the people freakin hate us. We are nuts.
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« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2009, 01:00:49 PM »
Redtail:

I just don't see eye to eye with you on this issue.

Most of the value to the US in Afghanistan has not been through work the soldiers did, but through information sharing. This is the on-the-ground human intelligence that most of us assume the CIA does for us, but does not do. All of the high value targets that have killed our real enemies in Afghanistan are attributable to this, not to masses of soldiers.
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« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2009, 01:48:44 PM »
On 911 The US was attacked by Saudis who were commanded by a Saudi operating under the cover of the Taliban in Afghanistan.  The real "war on terror", if there is one, is in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  The Taliban are very well funded by Saudis and Kuwaitis.  The Taliban and al Queda are spreading their tenacles in to Kyrgystan and the entire region. 

The new Pakistani government is taking the fight to the Taliban and their buds al Queda.  This is not the time to desert the region.