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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2009, 01:40:05 AM »
Check out what happens when you take a very bright image and digitally darken it.  Watch the shoreline emerge at the upper left.

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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2009, 02:51:50 AM »
It is obvious now that there are three kinds of people in the world:

a) those that can count, and
b) those that can't.
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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2009, 04:40:07 AM »
are those the same cannon as in the first photo . those look like dalgrens to me .
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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2009, 09:44:24 AM »
     No, those are 8" Columbiads, Model 1844; thanks for the pics, George.  Gary, sorry, but those in the first photo aren't Dalgren Shell Guns either.  Take a good look at the flowing, curved lines along the top of those tubes.  Then look at the Dahlgren Outline below.  Now notice the similarity of the breech area of the Rock's guns and the same area on the pic of the 10" Rodman.  Hard to confuse the "Mushroom head" cascable, eh?  I would say they were 8 or 10 inch Rodman guns, Gary. 

Distinctive profiles help to I.D. these seacoast guns.

Regards,

Tracy and Mike


Notice the rear of the cannon's breech areas.  See that lip of the unique, Rodman, "Mushroom head" cascable?




An X inch Rodman Gun with it's uniquely shaped cascable.




Notice how the Dahlgren outline has a distinct cylinder behind the trunnions and no "Mushroom head" style cascable.

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Re: Four artillerymen, and tons of iron.
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2009, 10:48:00 AM »
The photo just shows 4 men in standard heavy artillery uniform. Officers would not have cartridge boxes. Must be coming off or going to Dress parade as they have thier white gloves.

You're right Guardsgunner, that's an NCO, and three privates.
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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2009, 08:09:00 PM »
Oh, and I came up with 2,444.
There are 2444 balls in the pile ...
I get 2,444 by a different method.
etc.


Think of how much powder (at 20 lbs per shot) the shooting of all those shot would take.  Over twenty four tons.  And that isn't the only pile.  I can't believe the Rock had half that much on hand.  The shot must have been there to keep it from blowing away in the wind.
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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2009, 11:48:33 PM »
Who would have thought so many of us would spend so much time on this topic ?  Including me.  I am too new to the forum to get into a discussion of civil war era facts.  However,  I do have a Matthew Brady book of photos taken all over everywhere during the civil war.  Its that book that got me interested in civil war topics.  I see some of the posters are well versed in such matters.

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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2009, 11:54:14 PM »
I think they were doing a "Sink Test", piling as much as they could on the Rock, trying to find the point at which it would begin to take on water! Now if it were up here on the Southern Oregon Coast, I could belive they were trying to prevent it from blowing away! Welcome to the forum, oldguytex! BoomLover
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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2009, 11:59:29 PM »
Oldguytex, what do you like to shoot? Stick around, you can learn much from these guys! And a great bunch of sponsers, cannon and mortar makers, lots of guys wth years of experience here! I learn something every day! BoomLover
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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2009, 02:06:59 AM »
oldguytex  -

WELCOME to the board!   Boomlover asked the quintessential question!

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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2009, 08:32:48 AM »
Oh, and I came up with 2,444.
There are 2444 balls in the pile ...
I get 2,444 by a different method.
etc.


Think of how much powder (at 20 lbs per shot) the shooting of all those shot would take.  Over twenty four tons.  And that isn't the only pile.  I can't believe the Rock had half that much on hand.  The shot must have been there to keep it from blowing away in the wind.

George,

Not only did they have regulation military stacks of shot/shell, they also got creative, and used the cannon balls for landscaping decorations.

Alcatraz Island

"Cannon balls were ubiquitous on Alcatraz and in addition to their functional purpose, they served a
decorative function on the post. They were used to define the parade ground space in front (south) of the
Citadel and were stacked in long pyramidal rows. (A row of Rodman cannons are lined up behind one of
these stacks in one photograph.) These rows are shown in photographs of the era, and the row on
the east side of the parade ground was shown in maps from 1867-1894. (Ernst 1867, Presidio 1879, U.S. Army
ca. 1870s, Rodgers 1894) The cannon balls were also placed in smaller stacked pyramids next to guns in
fortifications. Photographs of the era show the cannon balls lined in rows on the tops of walls, such as in
the planter that bordered the west side of the Officers’ Row houses and along the low retaining wall that
defined the south edge of the garden area in front (south) of the Citadel. They were set individually on
the ends of steps or levels of retaining walls (used much like a pot of flowers to define the change of
levels and transition from the public to private space of the house or porch). They were used as
ornaments in the planting beds, stuck on top of short pipes to create something that resembled a gazing
ball."

Cannon balls lined up in front of the Citadel.

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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2009, 11:21:54 AM »
GREAT FIND on that photo!  Compare that building to the one in the photo at the start of this thread.  I think it is the same building, and maybe the same end of it.  Looks like the same staff on the roof at the right end.
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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2009, 01:30:39 PM »
Subdjoe,

They are photos of the same building, it was named the Citadel, and it was the main barracks bldg.; the first photo was taken circa 1865, and the second in 1893. You can see in the second pic, that all the Rodman's are gone, along with the "grocery store stacks" of shot; the white slab visible in the second photo is part of a tennis court. The Citadel was demolished in 1908 to make room for the new prison cellhouse.



 
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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2009, 06:34:59 PM »
     No, those are 8" Columbiads, Model 1844; thanks for the pics, George.  Gary, sorry, but those in the first photo aren't Dalgren Shell Guns either.  Take a good look at the flowing, curved lines along the top of those tubes.  Then look at the Dahlgren Outline below.  Now notice the similarity of the breech area of the Rock's guns and the same area on the pic of the 10" Rodman.  Hard to confuse the "Mushroom head" cascable, eh?  I would say they were 8 or 10 inch Rodman guns, Gary. 

Distinctive profiles help to I.D. these seacoast guns.

Regards,

Tracy and Mike


Notice the rear of the cannon's breech areas.  See that lip of the unique, Rodman, "Mushroom head" cascable?




An X inch Rodman Gun with it's uniquely shaped cascable.




Notice how the Dahlgren outline has a distinct cylinder behind the trunnions and no "Mushroom head" style cascable.




ok , nolocontesa eh! ,  i still got most of your good beer ! hee hhheee hee ! what about those two humongus balls over the heads of the four officers in the origanal pic ......? ......exactly !

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Re: 4 officers, and tons of iron.
« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2009, 08:25:36 PM »
Probably 15" for the few large Rodmans that were stationed there.
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