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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2009, 04:32:09 AM »
I see no reason to not kill snakes that can hurt my family or livestock.
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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2009, 06:37:25 AM »
better to kill a poisonous snake than take the chance of having one kill a friend or family member & letting it live to breed more, increasing the chance of it happening again. My point is if that if something poses a threat to me or my family I kill it. terrorists are a threat to us & our family, I guess we should leave them be to slither off & have another chance to harm us again,& again& again! Right?
I guess Ignorance is bliss but I wouldnt know...

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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2009, 06:55:16 AM »
I kill poisonus snakes, others get a pass.  My son once caught snakes.  He caught a King snake, and I made him let it go.  They kill rattlers. 

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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2009, 07:27:34 AM »
Some folks have unfounded fears I guess.  If your hungry I can see killing a snake.
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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2009, 02:24:04 PM »
Hey SWAMPMAN!!! Now I am no internet guru but if you check out rattlesnake bites and follow the incident that happened to a young boy taking a break with other hikers, while sitting on a stump the snake came up and bit the young man in his hand. Now the pictures on the internest are very explisid, so if you have a week stomach best you not look them over.

Now that young man had to have 16 operations on his hand to save it, tons of pain from both the bite and being cut on in order to save his hand. Now you tell me you would not have shot that snake prior to it bitting that young boy? I would bet money that if one of your kids, wife, mother or other relative close to you got bit by such a snake, you would change your tune completely.

In Africa there are indeed thousands who die every year because of snake bite!!! Yeah, check it out and see for yourself. I will kill all those poisonous snakes I run across, my and the JUDGE that is my good man. ::)

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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2009, 02:27:09 PM »
SWAMPMAN, I fear NO snake but I certainly don't wish to be bitten and have to go through what I have seen several people have to do in order to get well again. You speak like a man with a paper rear-end and that is putting things very politely! ::)  ;)

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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2009, 03:10:43 PM »
In America about 3-4 people a year die from snake bites.  Nearly everyone that gets bit does so while trying to kill the snake.
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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2009, 04:21:21 PM »
I have a son who was bitten by a cottonmouth.  He almost lost his foot.  It was his fault.  He caught them to sell for $25 apiece for anti-venom.  He had no fear of them.  So we kill the poisonous ones, and let others go.  Some people do have a fear and kill them all.

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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2009, 04:50:23 PM »
In America about 3-4 people a year die from snake bites.  Nearly everyone that gets bit does so while trying to kill the snake.

not meaning to stir the pot but in most all death related cases resulting from a snake bite are old people or young children bit in their yard, house or garden.
Maybe, & that is a big maybe, an irresponsible person who is just messing with it wanting to hold it & are not people who encounter snakes...EVER or have any idea what the snake is capable of.
two months ago I was fang snagged in the thumb by a baby rattler in the crack of a rock I braced myself against. he didn't penetrate far enough nor did it inject me but when I pulled my hand away he came with it!

heres a few pics that might cheer yall up! ; )

I almost stepped on this one. Then grabbed a stick which was the only thing around to kill it with & proceeded to stab it repeatedly until I could get him out of heavy cover so I could cut its head off with hand pruners!


This is the little bugger that almost got me before I bashed in his head with my shot gun!

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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2009, 04:45:02 AM »
Of the people i know whon were bitten by snakes none knew a snake was near until bitten
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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2009, 05:03:52 AM »
I read that half of all snakebites in the US are copperheads, no warning and live anywhere in the woods.  Rattlers do give a warning.  The other half are split between rattlers and copperheads, with about 2%+/- coral snakes.  Actually about 12 people a year die out of about 8,000 people a year getting bitten by venomus snakes.  This is a lot, thus the reason I kill venomus snakes.  I have learned how to identify them.  Even if you are bitten by a non-venomus snake, of which there are about 37,000 people bitten a year, you can get salmonella because they are cold blooded animals.  When in the woods, you must keep an eye out for them, at least wear good boots and maybe snake chaps, especially from spring to fall. 

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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2009, 04:04:38 PM »
The big Eastern Diamondback that bit me gave no warning whatsoever. He hit me in the calf and I honestly thought my leg was broken. He is now stretched on the wall of my den, less his head which exploded from my 357. Non venemous snakes get a pass as do venomous snakes in the wild. They show up in my yard or neighborhood, they die.
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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2009, 04:47:47 PM »
One only has to visit the internet and look up poisonous snake bites! This will indeed make you aware of the pain and suffering a bite causes, not to mention the various operations the bitten person will have to under go. Recovery is never like the area before the bite, often skin must be taken from other parts of the persons body to help heal the area that was involved in the bite.

There are many many instances were people have had no warning and still got bit by a poisonous snake! They certainly were not out to try and catch a poisonous snake. I have seen snake bitten people after a few days later in the hospital, with flesh bursting from the pressure and swelling, it was not a pleasant site to view. The flesh turning black and purple, gives me the chills just typing about the site. :o  ;)

Rattlesnake venom will destroy tissue upon contact and also cause massive loss of blood as it breaks down the arteries inside the body in area of the bite

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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2009, 05:39:57 PM »
12 out of 8000 bites!!!!!!!!thats .0015 percent................i read this about 10 years ago......i am animal damage control licensed in nc......this is nationwaide....of all the poisonus snakebites 75 percent of the bites dont have enough venom injacted to do hardly anything...25 pecent of snakebite(poisonus) do inject a good dose but less than 1 pecent of that 25 percent  of those if not taken for medial help would  die..........
this is also true.............more people are killed every year by their own mother than snakbites......if that follow our reasoning we should go kill all our mothers..............i think not....................

i was bitten when i was 11 by a copperhead...my foot swelled up it seemed like twice its normal size and was on fire!!!....my mother took me to my dads drugstore(he owned 2)which was directly across from a hospital and he gave me a pill........i dont know if it was benadrl or wahtever as he is gone now  but i was fine after few hrs..............i had a dog bittin 10 years later not 50 yds from where i was and she did almost die........she was 60 lbs........so the odds of you dieing are so small that if you worry about dieng from a snakebite then you are going to die a young person because of stress associated with everything else.........................if you are 100 lbs or more yeah you may have some rotten chunk out of your leg(cottonmouth) but you will probaly live.............also the people who die from coral snakes are almost always kids playing with them.....a coral snake cannot bite like a regualr snake...it has to chew and its usually kids playing with them........
i almost stepped on this this year....


and this one i got a call from an apartment complex and i went and got it and released it the next morning


and this one hit a bass minnow

non poisonus water snake but a banded water snake is more agressive than some copperhead which are very agressive
note....none of these snakes were killed...............
yes cottonmouths and rattlers can have very nasty bites but still the odds of you diying from a snakebite are so small its not worth worring about............

added later.....that canebrake at the top was amonster.......a big un that the picture doesnt really show just how big and chunky that one was..........that rattler did warn me...............also a copperhead will warn you......when it bites you..........but you will live.........i really dont mide people killing some snakes but evryone on site is not good..............i would like to have a rattler skin on the wall...........

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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2009, 07:35:56 AM »
Mac NC, I live on a ridge that years ago was called "copperhead ridge" now I don't know what makes it such an attraction to those copperheads but they are hear every year, no matter how many or sent to that happy place for snakes. Copperheads don't kill a person that I know of but they sure will inflict a heck of a lot of pain and even a dry bit can cause infection.

However, the rattelsnake is a whole other ball game, it's venom destroys tissue on contact and causes bleeding out of the veins and arteries, as well as sever swelling that often has to be opened up by a doctor in order to save the limb etc. Not to mention they can KILL a person, especially young and older folks. There are numberous stories back in the 1800's of people getting bit while walking along side the wagon train going out West. Many folks died of snake bite just like in Africa, where thousands a year die from poisonous snake bites.

I see no reason for a person to have to suffer because of a poisonous snake bite, from a snake I did not eradicate from the area. We in Missouri only had the copperhead and small pigmy rattler to deal with but now days we have the Timber Rattler (largest of the rattlesnakes) and Western & Eastern too. Some 1200 of these snakes were tuned loose by our almighty Conservation Commisson 2 years ago, in what is known as the Mark Twain Forest. Perhaps their just wanting to keep hunters out of the area, who knows. Now don't ask me why, as I have never gotten a straight anwser from anybody in that state bureau.

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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2009, 07:41:43 AM »
They may just be trying to restore the population.  In some places they are endangered.
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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2009, 08:35:42 AM »
If they are able to survive the first fifteen seconds of the encounter most snakes will live to see another day poisonous or not. However I am not responseable for the first fifteen seconds. Best bet for the snake is to be far from something I can use as a striking device, or weed whip, or gun, or well you get the idea. I just don't like the suprise of finding them. I do realize they are generally good for the ecosystem, and I am trying to be kinder as I age.
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Re: snake shooting
« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2009, 09:33:25 AM »
the timber rattler is not as big as the eastern...........not even close............i doubt the state you live in stocked easters as that is not there habitat...there habitat is easten nc down to florida over to louisana........
this was taken from a website

"Snakes of Georgia and South Carolina
- Photos by J.D. Willson unless otherwise noted


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 Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake
Crotalus adamanteus

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Description: The Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake is the largest of the 32 species of rattlesnake currently recognized. They are large, heavy-bodied snakes with large, broad heads with two light lines on the face. Adults are usually 33-72 in (84-183 cm) long, but the largest individual on record was 96 in (244 cm). Mature snakes can tip the scales at over 10 lbs. The background color is brown, tan, or yellowish and covered with the namesake diamonds, which are brown and surrounded by lighter scales. Males are larger than females.

Range and Habitat: Diamondback Rattlesnakes are restricted to the Lower Coastal Plain of the Southeast, from southern North Carolina to eastern Louisiana, although the stronghold of their range is in Florida and southern Georgia . This species usually inhabits dry sandy areas, palmetto or wiregrass flatwoods, pinewoods, coastal dune habitats, or hardwood hammocks. They generally avoid wet areas but sometimes live along the edges of swamps. They are accomplished swimmers and even travel through saltwater to and from barrier islands. In many locations this species relies heavily on gopher tortoise (Gopherus polyphemus) burrows during winter months.

Habits: Like most large pitvipers Eastern Diamondbacks spend most of their time coiled in palmetto thickets or other thick vegetation to ambush prey. Most movement between locations occurs during the day, and is mostly restricted to the morning and evening in summer. Diamondbacks spend the winter in stump holes or tortoise burrows but may emerge on warm winter days to bask. This species feeds almost exclusively on mammals, particularly rabbits. Mating occurs in the spring and fall and females give birth to 12 – 24 young in the late summer. Diamondbacks grow slowly, taking several years to reach maturity, and adult females only reproduce every 2-3 years

Conservation Status: The Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake receives no federal protection despite the fact that it has declined over much of its range. This species is protected in North Carolina , where it is likely extirpated (none have been seen in NC since the early 1990s). Rattlesnake roundups take place in Alabama and Georgia . Whigham and Claxton , Georgia hold roundups every year but capture fewer and fewer snakes through time. Roundups have been considered to be ecologically disastrous by some conservation biologists because of certain harmful capture methods (such as pouring gasoline down burrows) and because of the attitude created by a festival atmosphere during which wildlife is destroyed. The emphasis on some snake roundups has shifted to greater environmental awareness and a change in focus from collecting rattlesnakes to other activities. Habitat destruction, wanton killing, and highway mortality are also take their toll on this slow moving and slow to reproduce reptile.

Pertinent References:

Speake, D. W., and R. H. Mount. 1973. Some possible ecological effects of "Rattlesnake Roundups" in the southeastern Coastal Plain. Proc. 27th Ann. Conf. S. E. Assoc. Game Fish Comm. 1973:267-277.

Account Author: Matthew King, University of Georgia – revised by J.D. Willson


where you live is not suitable for an easten diamondback and if they did release some they cannot be expected to live..............