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Offline J&K

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Schuetzen scope mount....help needed
« on: October 06, 2003, 05:57:15 PM »
Greetings.....I am building a 8mm. Schuetzen style rolling block. The barrel is octagon the first few inches and then round tapered to the muzzle. I plan putting on a Litschert scope and need to use a block soldered to the barrel (that will have threaded holes for a dovetail to mount on) , I need to use this block so both dovetails will be the same height. As the dovetail that is close to the receiver (which will be mounted on the short octagon part of the barrel just after the receiver) of course will be much higher.

My question is. If I radius the bottom of the block so it fits well to the barrel. What kind and temperature of solder should I use so that it will withstand the recoil, and can I do this without re-bluing the gun barrel?

Many thanks, John

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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2003, 09:31:06 AM »
I would not do it the way you are contemplating.  I would obtain a base high enough to fit and screw both blocks to the barrel.  Perhaps even make the base yourself if you have access to a milling machine.  If you wish to sweat a mount block to the barrel, soft solder will be quite strong enough..especially with the recoil one might expect from this piece.  If resin flux is used as opposed to acid flux, and care is taken, there should be no need to reblue.  Contour the base to fit, taking care to level the sides of the block 90 degrees from the level of the top flat of the barrel.  The top is irrelevant as it will be left high to be dressed down and level after the solder job.. Mark on the barrel the edges of the base and remove all blueing inside this area.  Soldering talc applied around this area is a really good insurance policy.  Tin the area which was cleaned and fluxed.  Apply the sub base and tension it.  A wooden block will insulate the sub base from the spring tensioner(I would use the same arrangement as when soldering on a front sight ramp.  Apply heat to the barrel and the sub base trying to bring the sub base to temp a bit sooner.  When solder is seen at the edges the bond is done.  A quick wipe with a cloth will remove excess solder, saving time later.  Don't overheat as the strength will be compromised, and don't cool too quickly as this too will damage the strength of the solder joint.  I prefer 'Force44' from Brownells, low temp and quite sufficient joint strength..  A single screw could esily be applied to totally insure the bond never sperates.
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2003, 03:32:14 PM »
Soldering really isn't necessary and I don't believe that it provides any additional benefit.  Unertl and Lyman scopes were attached to both Model 70's and 700's in Viet Nam.   Recoil did not cause any problems with just the screw mount.

The mounting blocks are typically attached with screws you should be able to get what you need from either CPA or Lee Shaver.  See http://singleshotrifles.com/sights.html  Additionally, you might want to discuss your plans with Lee Shaver  http://www.egunsmith.com/  he's got a very good reputation working with Rollers.

good luck.

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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2003, 11:03:47 AM »
I really doubt you'll have any luck finding exactly the height and radius mounting blocks, but perhaps one can be found that's close and can be reworked to fit.  Creating a mounting pedastal for the front mount shouldn't be a problem.  The soldering would be surely be optional.  If one has access to a milling machine it would be realtively easy to make mount bases of the correct hieght and contour.  The machine the need mounting notches.  Good luck and keep us apprised of your outcome..
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