Ahmadinejad Is A Man To Fear!

[Redtail1949]

This man sees himself as the Madi and the one to start the end of the world by destroying Israel. He is not insane no matter how crazy he sounds, he is a committed religious zealot that truly believes what he says.

The world should stand up and takee notice and then take action to kill this man. Hitler was there for all the world to see and hear telling all what his plans where long before he was capable of carring them out. The world turned a blind eye and closed their ears and he prevailed in setting forth on his plans and if it were not for some very lucky breaks for the allies he would have succeeded.

This man must be stopped before Iran gets nukes as he will use them as soon as he can. He makes that very clear everytime he speaks. Everyone is saying he would not he is not that crazy, he is just bluffing. No he is not bluffing and he makes no bones about it. He truely believes in his cause and that makes him very dangerous.

Israel will will attack and will do it soon and we should help them destroy him. Not because we love Israel but because we do not want to be the next target after Tel Avi.

[torpedoman]

Real simple if they attack tel aviv the u.s. will turn their country into a glass parking lot.

[Questor]

There would be no cause to fear him were it not for our current leadership.

[45-70.gov]

There would be no cause to fear him were it not for our current leadership.

we drew a line in  isreals  sand
if they cross  it  we  fight or  loose face  and our allies see us as cowards

i don't see  how  isreal has a choice  not to attack  SOON

this is where  i  said it would start years  ago

obama  will  appologize and  invade  isreal ''for their onwn  good''
then he will   rule the world in the  kaos  that will follow

[rio grande]

Speaking as someone who lived through the Cold War, when 1000's of Soviet ICBMs were aimed at the US, I find this preoccupation with the 'threat' of Iran rather silly.

The man (and Iran) is a very slight danger to the US - just as Saddam was a minor threat.

We are in more danger from the news media and the Israeli lobby (or am I being redundant?) than we are their current boogyman.

[Questor]

rio grande:

You get the gold star for common sense today!!!

Great post!

[Redtail1949]

He calls for the destruction of the US and Israel almost daily. The difference is I believe him and you do not i guess. I have studied history of war almost all my life and one thing i have learned is when men like that talk you should listen carefully to what they say. They mean it and if and when they are able to carry out there desires they will.

So armed with that knowledge and his desire to obtain nukes only a fool would turn a blind eye and close his ears to the threat that is real from this man. So we have a definate interest in stopping it before it occurs not after.

The horror of preemptive strikes by the US by the progressive left shows just how naieve they are . that is the same as saying you will wait until the crimminal rapes your wife and kills her before you shoot him.

Not me I am willing to kill him before he kills any American or Israeli

I long for the old CIA and then maybe just maybe 1 well placed bullet would save millions from death. Seems like a logical thing to me.

[JASmith]

Rio Grande -- I also lived through the Cold War — and fought in one its battles in a place called Vietnam.

There are major differences between the Cold War and the current conflict with religious extremists.  The Soviet Union and the US is that we were closely matched in our ability to hurt the other and that neither side wanted to bear the cost of a nuclear war.  The religious extremists appear to either not care about the human costs or believe that the costs are somehow a blessing. 

This makes for a highly dangerous situation -- especially when the US has shown a decided distaste for causing casualties or damage beyond that strictly necessary to achieve an end.  With this history, the extremists could come to believe that we would not respond to a nuclear attack with massive retaliation.  They might even be right, but I'm in no position to guess.

[JASmith]

He calls for the destruction of the US and Israel almost daily. The difference is I believe him and you do not i guess. I have studied history of war almost all my life and one thing i have learned is when men like that talk you should listen carefully to what they say. They mean it and if and when they are able to carry out there desires they will.

So armed with that knowledge and his desire to obtain nukes only a fool would turn a blind eye and close his ears to the threat that is real from this man. So we have a definate interest in stopping it before it occurs not after.

The horror of preemptive strikes by the US by the progressive left shows just how naieve they are . that is the same as saying you will wait until the crimminal rapes your wife and kills her before you shoot him.

Not me I am willing to kill him before he kills any American or Israeli

I long for the old CIA and then maybe just maybe 1 well placed bullet would save millions from death. Seems like a logical thing to me.

.

Please site your sources for these assumptions or opinions. I do get that he wants and end to zionism and american zionism, too as it has always been a threat to Iran and the Arab states and a deAth sentence to the Palestinians.  I did read his 18 page letter to Bush that was most interesting and a olive branch of sorts. Of course, he did not realize Bush was a evangelical judaeo-christian zio leaning politician and would have nothing to do with a discussion on peace.
 As for his rants on the religion of the Holocaustianity (which is the main reason for the creation of zio israel; and which I think should be picked up and moved to to Texas) I say send in teams of archaeologists to the sites,, review Red Cross records, review Chruchill's and Eisnehower's notes on the topic, document photos, the logistics of the killings, review war time recon photos and data, and the bomber raids on the camps;;;and solve this rhubarb once and for all.


...TM7

This has been many times in both scholarly journals and in the popular press -- we don't need to legitimize lying rants with yet more tilling of fields. 

[powderman]

tm. Still sticking up for your president ahmadinejad I see. POWDERMAN. 

[beerbelly]

We have no reason to fear ahmadinejad. He is just a talking head. The real one to fear is their head religious leader. He calls all the shots. The bad part is that he is just as big a lunatic as ahmadinejad.
   But then I think Israe’sl PM is just as bad as those two. As long as there is one Israeli or one Arab on the earth they will be at war.
                              Beerbelly

[Davemuzz]

As long as there is one Israeli or one Arab on the earth they will be at war.

Yeah. Sad but true. A good friend of mine took a trip with his daughter to the holy land. He was telling me that essentially nobody over there likes anyone else. Arab Christians are pretty much hated by all Muslims. And why? Well, because they are Christians.

Well, now isn't that a good reason!!! 

Dave

[Redtail1949]

TM I have personaly known and talked to many Holocaust Survivors and I also have known a man (he committed suicide when he was going to extradited to Israel)that was a member of the SS and a Camp Guard at Auschwitz. This man had no regrets for his actions was very intellegent and in fact a likable person. Yet, he killed almost daily without emotion and really did believe he was ridding the earth of what he described as vermin.

Do you find kinship with that kind of man? do you believe that what he did was for the betterment of the human race?

Well I was going to say more but there is no need your words say it all.

I have read many many too many accounts of that time  it was real and it was unbelieveable that any humans could do what they did to the Jews as a people. I understand clearly what killing in war is but have a hard time understanding genocide. Yet it did happen and there can not be any doubt about that.

[crustaceous]

"the whole holocaust thing is over blown"
Unbelievable!  What's next, Hitler was the second coming, just misunderstood?

check out the research section
http://www.ushmm.org/

[Cabin4]

"the whole holocaust thing is over blown"
Unbelievable!  What's next, Hitler was the second coming, just misunderstood?

check out the research section
http://www.ushmm.org/

I'm disapointed that you removed me from the TV screen. I feel that I have earned my rightfull place there and should not be removed.

[beerbelly]

Did the holocaust happen? Yes I am sure it did. Is it way over blown? Yes I think it is. They say that six million Jews were killed. I doubt that there were six million Jews in all of Europe in the late 1930's and 40's. There sure as hell were not six million Jews in Germany at that time.
  Germany is a country a little bigger than the state of Georgia. I doubt that the entire population in 1940 was much over six million.
  The holocaust has been use to get sympathy  for years and yes I think they lie about the numbers.
                                  Beerbelly

[rio grande]

Did the holocaust happen? Yes I am sure it did. Is it way over blown? Yes I think it is. They say that six million Jews were killed. I doubt that there were six million Jews in all of Europe in the late 1930's and 40's. There sure as hell were not six million Jews in Germany at that time.
  Germany is a country a little bigger than the state of Georgia. I doubt that the entire population in 1940 was much over six million.
  The holocaust has been use to get sympathy  for years and yes I think they lie about the numbers.
                                  Beerbelly

You do realize, don't you, that ANY questioning of the official numbers or ANY calls for an unbiased historical investigation makes you a 'Denier'?  You can actually be thrown in jail in many countries for what you wrote.

[BMoeller]

Numbers dont mean chit.  Genocide is genocide.

[Redtail1949]

Man ooh man, the numbers may be off a little maybe 200,000 lets give you that but there is so much documentation to support it all viewed by many a soldier of our armies and many a person that lived to tell as well as the testimony of those that carried it out.

You talk a good stick but you can not play pool worth a dang...lmao.

[powderman]

tm. Bad enough you defend  your Godless countrymen who murder innocents daily, now you seem to be saying that hitlers murdering of 6 mil Jews was overrated??? The rest of the world knows, sounds like you are listening to your president ademinajad too much. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

Did the holocaust happen? Yes I am sure it did. Is it way over blown? Yes I think it is. They say that six million Jews were killed. I doubt that there were six million Jews in all of Europe in the late 1930's and 40's. There sure as hell were not six million Jews in Germany at that time.
  Germany is a country a little bigger than the state of Georgia. I doubt that the entire population in 1940 was much over six million.
  The holocaust has been use to get sympathy  for years and yes I think they lie about the numbers.
                                  Beerbelly

  BeerbellyYour next to last sentence, speaking of Germany; "I doubt that the entire population was much over six million"
    ..Have a look:

  http://www.feldgrau.com/stats.html

  Also remember, Jews were rounded up in all occupied countries; France, Belgium, Netherlands (remember Little Anne Frank), Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Austria, Norway, Poland and Austria...just to name a few. Not hard to visualize 6 million under those conditions.

[bearmgc]

Not to worry. Israel will do what is necessary.

Ah, Beerbelly, must be aptly named. Back away from the Bud... go feed your 10 dogs under the trailer, or somethin'.

[Redtail1949]

TM:

 I am certain that no amount of documentation would sway your opinion for that you are the one that suffers from ignorance.

BeerBelly :

I feel that you are just like I was once , uniformed, you are not ignorant nor are you stupid. I know of two books that you could read, their facts are heavily documented.  One is "The Holocaust" documents in a chronological order the steps taken by the Nazis from the very begining of the outright persecution of the Jews to the end of the war. Amazingly enough the numbers were developed from the Nazis own meticulous records. They wanted documentation to show their people when the stuggle was over to show just how efficient they were in ridding the earth of the Jews. They never believed that the mighty Reich would collapse. That is until 1944. Then after the war records they made were used to convict them.

The book is one of the best in the way it is presented and holds your attention page by page as the horror of that time is exposed. I would respectfully ask that you read it. It will go a long way of explaining just what and how it happened.

The other book is "The Nazi Doctors" that was given to me by a friend of mine and now I have loaned it to another friend who like you does not know alot about that time but is curious enough to try to learn more. In about 50 years of reading all I could about it and being fortunate enough to talk to many on all sides of the conflict called World War II. They were Nazi soldiers, some former SS, one was a guard at Auschwich. He was the father of my best friends and I did not learn of his past untill they were going to extradite him to Israel and he committed suicide by jumping in front of a train in Chicago. I talked many many nights to his wife, a fine woman, and she told me so many stories it would fill 5 books. Sadly she died a few years ago and I still kick myself for not recording all her words. (Forgive me but I will continue this with another posrtt as the screen jumps all around when I type so much some problem with this site0

[powderman]

REDTAIL. Good post. I don't see how any reasonably  educated person could not believe the history of the holocaust. POWDERMAN. 

[Redtail1949]

Continued:

Beer Belly:

This woman told all sides of this story and her story and that of her family , most were released from Soviet Gulags when the Wall fell. They had been imprisoned by the Russians in Siberia since right at the end of the war. All males were shot all females imprisoned. She was with them and escaped. I personally took her to the Denver Airport to fly and meet her surviving sisters and aunts in Berlin.

Well back to the book... this book answered for me the question of HOW COULD THESE PEOPLE DO THIS TO OTHER HUMAN BEINGS? That question had never been answered for me in 40 years of personal research. I always believed it would be because of some deep deep secret in their minds and that they had to be evil minds so I expected it to be a very complicated answer to that question.

The answer was given by one of the doctors who specialty was injecting inmates one right after the other directly in the heart and killing them instantaniously. Thousands of people old young men women children. Day after day among other unbeliveable things. He statement was so simple when asked How could he...Because I could...there were no rules in the camps inside the wire, there were no laws. no one would object and no one would ever hold you accountable in anyway. So I killed all day and went home to my family had dinner and played with the children. I lived a normal lifr outside of the wire. I was evil inside and normal outside all because I COULD!

It really was just that simple as to the conduct of the individuals, people just like you and I, Dr. Mengela studied to be a priest for christ sakes. Normal people turned evil simply because they could. I strongly recommend this book to give an insight to just how good people normal people can turn into evil monsters committing unbelieveable acts of horror against their fellow human beings...SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY COULD!

I believe that you or anyone that reads these books will have a much different view of the Holocaust, it is hard to imagine yourself and your family having to live in that time and if you replace them with your family as well as yourself I feel you would have a much different view afterwards.

Remember that mthe numbers of people were derived from many sourses by the most accurate and damning evidence of the numbers and the means came from the Nazis' own records and were verified by upteen hundreds of reasearchers over the many years since it happened.

[gypsyman]

Didn't actually read it, but I belive there is a book out called ''Tribes''. From what I learned about the book, the author was making a point that the next World War would not be started by a major nation.(U.S.,China,Russia,etc.) It would be started by a third world country. Like Iran. Or North Korea. Major nations have so much more to lose. Where as people like Ahmadinejad haven't fallen out of the tree's that long ago.  gypsyman

[rio grande]

Man ooh man, the numbers may be off a little maybe 200,000 lets give you that but there is so much documentation to support it all viewed by many a soldier of our armies and many a person that lived to tell as well as the testimony of those that carried it out.

You talk a good stick but you can not play pool worth a dang...lmao.

More than "a little off". 
In 1990, the Auschwitz State Museum (that's right, the 'official' State Museum) revised the old propaganda claim of four million murdered humans down to one million! In 1994, a French scholar reduced this figure further down to less than 700,000, and in 2002, another mainstream Holocaust scholar reduced the Auschwitz death toll to 500,000-and ALL of these figures are just 'estimates'!
Of course, "genocide is genocide".  The horrible sights that US GI's saw in defeated Germany, piles of bodies and such, were what you'd expect to see in a country that had been bombed and starved into submission.  The captured US soldier Kurt Vonnegut described the bombing of Dresden, an event he lived through, in which over 100,000 German men, women, and children perished - death by firebomb - a real holocaust. (Nobody knows exactly how many died there either. They had to weigh the ashes and estimate.)
Why are historians such as David Irving thrown in jail for simply questioning the numbers and seeking the truth?  You should know, there are many mysteries surrounding this 'holocaust' and many unanswered questions.  Why the fear about just asking the questions?
And why are we constantly reminded of this holocaust when there have been many, and far larger?  Such as the murders by the reds of millions of Christians, Russians and Ukranians?  Are some people more 'special' than others?

But this thread is off-topic.  Or is it?  The holocaust is always used to hit us upside the head when Israel is involved in some shenanigans, whether it's promoting war against other countries or demanding some military aid of some sort.  I'm tired of Israel and it's constant begging, spying on the US, nuclear bomb-making, war-mongering, and whining.

[Davemuzz]

I'm tired of Israel and it's constant begging, spying on the US, nuclear bomb-making, war-mongering, and whining.

Then may I suggest you don't read those articles.

Dave

[ironglow]

  Sure Rio Grende;
  There were only a couple hundred starved and executed Jews..The evil allied powers dragged those bodies from camp to camp getting  for photo ops. Of course they had to dress them differently each time..and in order to keep the deception going, and moving.. they had to embalm the bodies and glue them together. Then when Gen Eisenhower marched the local Germans through the concentration camps to see their leaders' handiwork..they would march the Germans down one lane filled with bodies..then give them a smoke break, while troops redressed the bodies, stacked them on trucks and moved them over to the next alley so the civilians could see the bodies newly moved to the next lane. Perhaps even those bodies were something hatched up and manufactured by Madame Toussaud's wax museum.
   
      Step up and get your diploma from TM's "Conspiracy College".. 

[beerbelly]

"Ah, Beerbelly, must be aptly named. Back away from the Bud... go feed your 10 dogs under the trailer, or somethin'

 
bearmgc, I do live in a trailer, as for the dogs, I had one ol yellow lab I had to have put down about two months ago. Now if you some how think that makes you superior to me, you are a dumb ass as well as a smart ass!
                       Beerbelly