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Offline fox fire

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some body fill me in about savages
« on: September 30, 2009, 04:14:02 PM »
Just wunderin about the differences between rifle models ( 110,112,10,12 ??? )   I've had thoughts on buyin one would like to have an idea of whats what, or is  any one model better than others for a perticular reason?     
      Also,,,as far as after market barrel whats available for them.   Just wunderin.
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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2009, 04:44:33 PM »
length of action between 110 and 19 same with 112 and 12 they will also change numbers between stock plastic and wood. tons of barrels and available  douglas and other barrel makers offer them in many calibers and the barrels are easy to change with savages design.
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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2009, 12:14:28 AM »
The two digit = short action; three digit = long action. They are are all basically the same design. there are variances like large ring (for the short fat cases) and small ring for the rest of the world. There are stainless models, single shots and F class actions (target with three action screws), but still basically the same design. You can get plastic stocks, laminated or walnut depending on your budget and taste. There are many variances as mentioned they are easy to work on. You can get custom barrels, triggers, and stocks. There are many custom barrel makers the cater to the savage marget. Douglas has been mentioned, but there is ER Shaw, Shilen and Pac-nor to mention a few. If you like to work on your guns, they are the easiest to modify and they can get you good accuracy right out of the box or outstanding accuracy with some changes. If you buy a cheaper model and do some modifications to it, you can get outstanding accuracy with not a lot of money if you choose wisely. If you buy higher end models you will pay as much for them as you do for competing rifles, but they already have the upgrades as far as trigger and stocks. If you get the impression that I like Savage rifles you would be correct. I have 2 Stevens 200 models (an inexpensive Savage) that I have modified and they both shoot extremely well. 
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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2009, 04:57:30 AM »
LaOTTO pretty well covers the subject. The only thing I can add is most shooters are Savage lovers or Savage haters. There are very few who are lukewarm. The first thing that attracted me to Savage/Stevens was price. I felt that if I didn't like or was disappointed in the rifle I wouldn't get hurt too badly in my pocketbook. Once I bought and shot one, one was not enough. I now have six. Yes, I am one of the lovers.
The things I have come to appreciate most are the ease and flexibility of change that comes with Savage. I have a 250Savage,a 257Roberts and a 220Swift, all of which are "hybrids".
Hope this helps in your decision to become a Savage owner and lover.
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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2009, 11:00:30 AM »
Savage was 'the thing' for a relatively brief while in terms of performance/price.  IMO, that's no longer true.  The non-value rifles are more expensive than the competition everywhere I've been, and they're just not as nice a gun as the competition (not as smooth in bolt operation, not as well finished, etc.).  Their Accu-Triggers are a lovely idea, but they don't execute them all that brilliantly, and if you get a not-so-good one, don't even think about stoning them for improvement.  Their non-accu-triggers have had 1 of the 3 adjustment screws disappear (sear engagement), and IME they're erring on the side of super-conservative caution such that those triggers aren't very good, to my finger.  Being able to change barrels yourself and without a lathe can be very, very handy.

To me, the Marlin is now where the Savage was when Savage's current reputation really got started.  Marlin's trigger is much better executed, better synth. stock than the Stevens, and they're just a better value than the Savage/Stevens.  Also, Savage/Stevens barrels fit the new Marlins perfectly.  :)

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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2009, 12:44:30 PM »
I too have heard great things about the Marlin XL- series of bolt action rifles but I do not yet own one. So, I can't comment on those. Also, the previous comment about Savage's price advantage disappearing is definitely true. I am amazed how much the current asking prices are for some of their models. With all this being said, 3-4 years ago, I bought my Son-in-Law a SS Savage in 270 Winchester with the accutrigger, a detachable magazine and a synthetic stock. Since my Son-in-Law lives out of town but he has asked me to keep the rifle at my home, I do shoot it every now and then at the range. The only modifications I've done to it are to have the stock shortened to better fit my Son-in-Law and installed a longer and larger tactical bolt handle. I've been thus far quite impressed with this rifle. It is very accurate with many different factory loads, the bolt works smoothly and it feeds bullets from the mag almost effortlessly, and, finally, I like the accutrigger (which probably for me contributes to its accuracy). Yeah, the synthetic stock is flimsy but it has not harmed this rifle's performance yet. So, I guess I'd consider myself a Savage fan. However, if I were to buy a new Savage rifle today, I'd wait for that special circumstance when I'd find the caliber I wanted at a reduced (and to me more reasonable) price.

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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2009, 02:45:22 PM »
Thanx for the input ya'll,  in my teen years I owned a 110 in 30-06 and to this day have never shot a gun that kicked as hard, kicked so hard that it would destroy a scope but it shot great.   As of lately I've debating on another rifle but dont hunt enuff to spend $7-800 on one and have seen the savage in walmart ( the big blue god of cheap stuff ) for $395 scope and all,  the scope probably aint much of a scope I'd guess, but that can be replaced.        Also been noticeing the stevens and just the other day seen a Marlin that to me was simalar to a Savage the way the barrel was attatched and the trigger was simalar the a accu-trigger and it made me wunder if they were affiliated, ( since barrelles trade out they mite be,sounds like a good thang to me ) it was $350 scope and all.   
         maybe I should take a keener interest in one, keep the info coming on the marlin VS accu trigger, not tryin to start a debate but I'd just like to know the good,bad, and the ugly. 
                           
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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2009, 04:29:30 PM »
Very pleased with all but one of my Savages.All but one have been very accurate with little to no tinkering.First I've heard the Savage barrels fit the Marlin actions.If so I'd consider getting one.What I'd really like to find is a cheap Savage action to build on.

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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2009, 07:03:55 PM »
Cabellas has Marlin XL7's for $279.00 today, if I need one I would probably buy one and see if it shoots and if a Savage barrel will fit.  Larry
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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2009, 12:24:43 AM »
I take it that the Savage barrels fit the Marlin action - how about the barrel nut wrench? Do they also match up or would it take a special wrench and where would you get one. How about stocks do they match up also? I can find stocks for the Savage rifles, but have not seen any for the Marlin rifles. Same for the triggers. Personally I am not a fan of the accutriggers. I have one on a Savage model 40 and it has way too much creep in it for me.  BTW I saw a Savage 200 w/scope on sale last week end for $300 at Durams Sporting goods no caliber was listed, but they have advertised 223's wo/ a scope in the past for $280 so i assumed it was a 223, but that might have been for any of them.
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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2009, 01:50:07 PM »
I have 2 savages both rimfires and they both are very accurate but cheaply built. Thats there reputation for the most part .Accurate but ugly.

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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2009, 01:52:10 PM »
LaOtto, the barrel nut wrenches also fit the Marlins perfectly.  Stocks are different.  I'm not aware of aftermarket stock options for the Marlins at this point.  Having said that, so long as the Marlin stocks don't offend in some way in terms of fitting you or appearance-wise, they're much better (stiffer) than the Stevens stocks.

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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2009, 05:52:47 AM »
 i just got through sighting my second 06 110 in to hit the same hole 2 out 3 shots,at the 100. ..
 last night i just every now an then.. they don t come no better looking than same hole..
 pretty is is pretty does to me though. :)
 
 
 dang exciting to me to pull one out the box an have it do that.. of course ive giving the same hole secrete away before.. its simple as buying one box of 165 fusions..im talking that walmart 397.97 gun with cheap scope.. later i put a 4-12 bushnell on mine..slim

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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2009, 06:44:31 PM »
 I was enthusiastic about Savage until today. i had called the factory before and got great parts service. A week or so ago I called and ordered a replacement stock,a trigger group,and some screws for a model 93 I had bought used that had a crack in the stock. I have waited over  a week and no package. I checked my credit card account and found no charge to it. I noticed my caller ID on my phone registered a call from the factory the day after I put the order in,but no message was left on my machine. All of a sudden my order was canceled. My card account is in fine shape. I have to sit all week end to find out why they suddenly canceled my order. This sucks.

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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2009, 12:42:30 PM »
They shipped my parts today and the customer service mgr.  called my house and apologized. They have been covered up by calls from  hunters and are training new people. The guy sounded sincere so I believe him. My old .17 cal looks and works great now.

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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2009, 04:34:24 AM »
The only negative with the Savage bolt action is " the cocking " at "first bolt lift " . I am told it will improve as the action wears in -(I am told) . Then with the long actions you can get an oversized bolt handle - which has more leverage . I bought the short action 11 series Hunter . Well I may not be able to cycle one in at the shoulder using two fingers , but then I will probably not need that second quick shot" if" doing my part , as the rifle clearly will shoot within half an inch.

So there is indeed a positive and negative to each and every gun . If the Savage would cock on closing I think  it would darn near be perfect . In the meantime , Doubt if you can beat the smooth action of the tikka . Then it only shoots under an inch. Then my Winchester is about the same , only the safety makes a bit more noise .
So if I bought another Savage bolt action I probably be making sure I could change up with a longer bolt handle .
As far as the package guns go . Your going to change up that scope anyway !! So get the one with the Accutrigger and Accustock , as the weaver mount and twenty dollar sling is otherwise, not going to break the bank.
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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2009, 04:44:08 AM »
My Weather Warrior .243 can take a dime off the fence post at 100 yards all day every day. Gotta love savage for the factory accuracy.
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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2009, 04:04:19 PM »
The oversize bolt handle should fit ALL 110  or  10 actions ---long or short action.

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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2009, 04:12:45 AM »
Well I am informed, by a large gun dealer here in central Ontario Canada,  that the model 11 the bolt is one with  the bolt handle .
I would then need to have the bolt handle cut and a new handle of my liking installed .
 I contacted Brownell and was told a oversized bolt handle SHOULD PROBABLY FIT!! , but when pressed to make sure, since I would need to import the part,the girl backed off. ( Last part shipped from the USA to Canada ended up after import fee's and customs , costing four times the value of the part ordered . )


So My rifle is the new 2009 -308W- 11FCNS with the Accustock and Accutrigger .There seems to be no slot in the back to which a hex key can be inserted to undo a nut  to take the handle off. The 111 or long action is supposed to be different .

So Let us know for sure and I will order the part "IF" I can change it .  :)
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Re: some body fill me in about savages
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2009, 05:16:32 PM »
If it's one of the new one you may have a problem.You may try calling Savage and asking.You may also get a definate answer on savageshooters.com.