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Offline gcf

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.338-06
« on: September 30, 2009, 05:08:45 PM »
Veral -
Having sold all my .40+ caliber rifles - and being a die hard Ruger No.1 fan, I've been kicking around the idea of a custom chambered No.1 in .338-06, as a cast bullet shooter. Not a true big bore I know, but thought it might scratch the itch...

Just not sure about the cast bullet accuracy / meat getter potential of this cartridge, & hoping you would have a few thoughts on the matter.

I know that MBW is a strong advocate of LBT bullets, & noticed a .338/250LFN-GC on his site:
http://www.montanabulletworks.com/wst_page5.html

If you feel this would be a project w/ merit, do you think this would be a good bullet for the caliber - or would a custom cut mould be a better option. Guess this is a somewhat loaded question, but I'd value your input.

I do not currently cast, but have been thinking about gearing up for it - for a while now.

Thanks in advance!
Regards - GCF
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Re: .338-06
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 11:00:13 AM »
  I suspect that the 338-06 SHOULD be far more popular than it is for bullet casters, but most who want this performance range opt for the 35 Whelen.   The 338 would give a bit less recoil as it tends to use lighter weight bullets.  It has a down side if you think you might want to use jacketed bullets in it though, I understand, as most 338 bullets are geared for magnum speeds.  That downside won't exist though if you get a good cast bullet and try it on game.  You won't feel a need for something better performance wise.
 
  I have no idea about the suitability of another mold makers bullets designs, as I make no effort at all to keep track of them.  Ditto the quality of MBW molds.  I will state that I've heard no negative reports about them.  I simply produce the best I can make, which I believe to be the best in the world, which keeps me busy minding my own affairs, as one might guess.   Consequently, my recommendations will of coarse be that you purchase a custom fitted mold from me, which will outperform anything that anyone makes as a standard production.   No mold maker can produce a production bullet design that will match performance of a bullet designed for the gun, and I don't believe there is another that can match my skill at designing and fitting such bullets.
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Re: .338-06
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 11:03:54 AM »
I have a .35 Whelen, and you can use .357 pistol bullets for small game and plinking all the way up to 310 grain bullets, with 200-250 grain being optimal. 

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Re: .338-06
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2009, 02:00:58 PM »
 The 338 would give a bit less recoil as it tends to use lighter weight bullets.  It has a down side if you think you might want to use jacketed bullets in it though, I understand, as most 338 bullets are geared for magnum speeds.  That downside won't exist though if you get a good cast bullet and try it on game. 

  In my more than 30 years hunting and harvesting game with a .338-06 i just haven't found that to be a problem.  200 Speers work just fine for deer sized game out of the .338-06, and as you move up to heavier bullet weights, they also work just fine on the "biggest heaviest game" available in the US.

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Re: .338-06
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2009, 05:15:53 PM »
Veral,
You made a 340-270 LFN for me several years ago that was fitted to the throat of my 340 Wby. When I had a new barrel put on my Hva. lightweight in 338-06 I had it throated for that bullet, glad I did. I use 50 or so gr. H or I-4831 w/ filler per your blue book instructions. I have killed a large cow elk (338/06) and several deer w/both guns (340 Wby w/70 gr H-870 w/filler) and use Blue in both as well as Fed 215 primers. I have used both ww/ water dropped and air dropped ww and always try to shoot through through the center of the shoulders from whatever angle and they have ALL been w/in the length of the shop from where I hit them. Also that 310-170 SP works great in my 2 groove M 1917 w/18 gr I-4227 and Large pistol primers/Blue  for the local 100yd Garand/bolt gun matches, I have had some leading but I got a 312 sizer and the bullets chamber just fine so I figger' that will fix that, Adios from Colville- Judd   

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Re: .338-06
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2009, 08:13:12 PM »
  DM  Thanks for the input about jacketed 338 bullets.  What I wrote was hearsay, mostly from customers,
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Re: .338-06
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2009, 09:45:28 AM »
  I suspect that the 338-06 SHOULD be far more popular than it is for bullet casters ...

...if you get a good cast bullet and try it on game...  You won't feel a need for something better performance wise.
 
  ...Consequently, my recommendations will of coarse be that you purchase a custom fitted mold from me, which will outperform anything that anyone makes as a standard production.   No mold maker can produce a production bullet design that will match performance of a bullet designed for the gun, and I don't believe there is another that can match my skill at designing and fitting such bullets.

Veral -
Thanks for your input. Given a custom mold of your manufacture - & proper alloy for the application, could you venture a guess for accurate velocity potential of, lets say a 250 grain GC bullet in this caliber?

Also, as Ruger has never seen fit to offer their No.1 rifle in 338-06, my project would entail a custom barrel, or at least, a re-bored & custom chambered factory barrel.

As you are no doubt aware, there are many custom barrel manufacturers "out there", & most offer their own "special / best ever" rifling. Do you have any thoughts on potential suitability (rifling especially) for LBT cast bullets?

Again, thank you in advance for your  thoughts.
Regards - GCF
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Re: .338-06
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2009, 06:47:31 PM »
  Your shopping for a good barrel smith seems to be quite an issue. 
 
  Contact Forkin Custom Classics,  Ben Forkin is the smith, and a good one.  He's wise on cast barrels.

  With a good barrel, which may require lapping, you should be able to get cast out at jacketed velocities or near it with excellent hunting accuracy, which I consider 1 1/2 inches at 100 yards.
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