Author Topic: Property Rights Issues at Stake (Read 2256 times)

Dee · « **Reply #30 on:** October 07, 2009, 08:18:13 AM »

Quote from: rak55 on October 07, 2009, 06:26:53 AM

Dee, where do you see the maintenance and repair ordinance as not scripturally correct ? that's the law the people allowed their duly elected officials to set forth for the good of all.

Where you do you see it as scriptural? YOUR the one that questioned the man's Christianity, by saying he professed to be one, but was not acting like one. I am not in the business of doing so (judging hearts), and I doubt God gave you the authority. But, as I said. YOU brought it up. Let's see the scripture your making this assumption from, or did you just here about the scripture, and really don't know what it says?
Produce the scripture, or concede, that you don't know what your talking about in this regard. It is not a matter to debate, it is a matter of producing the scriptures.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 07, 2009, 10:42:57 AM »

How one can find biblical justification for the taking away of our God given Rights is an exercise in trying to locate an oxymoron. I will go out on a limb here Dee, and suggest you won’t get an answer on that one.

Dee · « **Reply #32 on:** October 07, 2009, 03:47:24 PM »

Ya think?

I know where the scriptures are he seems to pretend to understand. I'm just waitin on him to find'em and try to sell'em to me.

rak55 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 07, 2009, 05:51:21 PM »

I sell nothin to no man. if you need to know then read your bible. God gave no man any rights only priveledges.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 07, 2009, 06:26:13 PM »

Quote from: rak55 on October 07, 2009, 05:51:21 PM

I sell nothin to no man. if you need to know then read your bible. God gave no man any rights only priveledges.

Do you understand what you say? Using your words, then how can one man in this case, a city inspector have the right to take away the home of another man? This is a contradiction of your own making.

rak55 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 07, 2009, 06:29:55 PM »

it wasn't the inspector at fault but the landlord that refused to allow entry into a premise that fell under governmental rules that were set forth for the good of all property owners in a given area.

Graybeard · « **Reply #36 on:** October 07, 2009, 06:50:51 PM »

And I'll bet you voted for osama as well didn't you? You have become a perfect sheeple for the politicos they love folks with your mindset.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 07, 2009, 07:02:19 PM »

Quote from: rak55 on October 07, 2009, 06:29:55 PM

it wasn't the inspector at fault but the landlord that refused to allow entry into a premise that fell under governmental rules that were set forth for the good of all property owners in a given area.

The government has no right to take away your rights. This man did nothing wrong and he is standing up to corruption and violations. The city is exacting revenge on him for his open criticism of them on other matters. I ask, what can be more repulsive than to take a man’s home and put him & family on the street?
http://www.landrights.com/
Don't be one of these.

rak55 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 07, 2009, 07:15:31 PM »

no no I voted for mccain but he lost the moment he chose a woman to be pres if something happened to him, government has all the rights in this country cabin, don't you already know that or must they also teach you the correct way ? remember you have the right to remain silent(one of few rights)

Dee · « **Reply #39 on:** October 07, 2009, 11:48:40 PM »

Quote from: rak55 on October 07, 2009, 07:15:31 PM

no no I voted for mccain but he lost the moment he chose a woman to be pres if something happened to him, government has all the rights in this country cabin, don't you already know that or must they also teach you the correct way ? remember you have the right to remain silent(one of few rights)

Well Cabin4, looks like rak55 is waffleing on the scripture just as I suspected. I have one theroy left concerning rak55. I think I'll test it now.

SWAMPMAN! IS THAT YOU?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #40 on:** October 08, 2009, 01:55:08 AM »

Here if an inspector has a "legal" right to enter and is refused he simply calls and gets a warrant and a police escort to make an entry into the building . Of course he uses the maintance section of the building code and makes up some cause . To be honest its used all the time when drug use or other illegal activity is thought to exist but other evidence does not exist . Could this apply here ?
I would wonder why this was not done in this case , why put the family out ? Seems like its a slap on the wrist more than a needed GOVT action the way it was done .

billy_56081 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 08, 2009, 01:57:37 AM »

Quote from: Dee on October 07, 2009, 11:48:40 PM

Quote from: rak55 on October 07, 2009, 07:15:31 PM
no no I voted for mccain but he lost the moment he chose a woman to be pres if something happened to him, government has all the rights in this country cabin, don't you already know that or must they also teach you the correct way ? remember you have the right to remain silent(one of few rights)

Well Cabin4, looks like rak55 is waffleing on the scripture just as I suspected. I have one theroy left concerning rak55. I think I'll test it now.

SWAMPMAN! IS THAT YOU?

DEE I was thinking the same thing as that last statemnt.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 08, 2009, 04:59:38 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on October 08, 2009, 01:55:08 AM

Here if an inspector has a "legal" right to enter and is refused he simply calls and gets a warrant and a police escort to make an entry into the building . Of course he uses the maintance section of the building code and makes up some cause . To be honest its used all the time when drug use or other illegal activity is thought to exist but other evidence does not exist . Could this apply here ?
I would wonder why this was not done in this case , why put the family out ? Seems like its a slap on the wrist more than a needed GOVT action the way it was done .

This is a revenge issue plain & simple. Specifically one of the targeted issues the 4th amendment is designed to protect us from. The city hates this guy because he has challenged them on other matters openly and in their public hearings. What Judge would sign a warrant on this premise? Let's hope none.

These city inspectors have more authority than law enforcement. And this issue is just a micro example of what’s going on all over this country. Eminent domain is ye significantly worse and is in full assault mode by the government. It’s ridiculous.

rak55 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 08, 2009, 06:32:59 AM »

city inspectors have very little authority, they come to inspect the premises and you say no you need appointment then they inform you in writing of said inspection with date and time you then usually can cancel once or twice but after that they will shut down your premises for failure to comply with city ordinance and pull your occupancy permit til you comply which means you can't live there nor anyone else in premises in question til you comply and obtain a new certificate of occupancy, if you let them check the premises you usually never have any problems unless they find some code violations to wit they inform you in writing that repairs or maintenance is in order and reinspection is needed. I worked closely with city inspectors already and believe me it's for the good of all property owners not to have slum lords or deadbeats owning property, now bad and corrupt inspectors and city officials are a possibility along with making their hit list is a possibility but cooperation is a key factor in local government along with residents and taxpayers being involved with local government to help make and amend local laws.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 08, 2009, 07:23:09 AM »

rak55,

Your just not getting the point on this. I'm certainly sure there are good examples of horrible land lords that anyone can point out. I will even agree, there are horrible land lords and if I were a renter, I may even look to the city inspectors office for a remedy. Though I could never find myself agreeing or asking that my landlord be locked out of his house amd forced onto the street....unless revenge was a mans only motive...

None of this is the point of the issue being exposed here. The only issue is does a city building inspector have the right to lock you out of your home even if there is NO evidence to support any building violation?? What happened to due process under the law? None of this is abstract in this case, it is there for the reading. The issue is how can a city inspector have the power to violate your 4th amendment rights under the issue related to this case? The answer I would expect from most reasonable people is, NO, they should not.

I have been a renter a long time ago and owned property that I have rented out as well. Once you rent your property it appears in this country that you lose many of your rights and this simply should not be the case. You own your property not the government and the government has no right to violate your 4th amendment until due process of law and court determine.

I find myself bewildered as to how anyone with vested interest could fight against this principal of our constitution. But so be it.

Big Nasty · « **Reply #45 on:** October 08, 2009, 10:35:29 AM »

The ACLU ( Anti Constitutional Liberal Union )!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

rak55 · « **Reply #46 on:** October 08, 2009, 02:06:01 PM »

oh I got the point but the problem is this guy has gone about it entirely the wrong way and in doing so reflects badly about all of us. sorry but it would really take a lot to prove to me to back him because of his actions that's why I said what he needs is to give these problems to the lord to handle for him and then watch the action.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #47 on:** October 08, 2009, 02:33:29 PM »

Quote from: rak55 on October 08, 2009, 02:06:01 PM

oh I got the point but the problem is this guy has gone about it entirely the wrong way and in doing so reflects badly about all of us. sorry but it would really take a lot to prove to me to back him because of his actions that's why I said what he needs is to give these problems to the lord to handle for him and then watch the action.

rak55, or swamp! Do you have answer for Dee's challenge? curious minds out here in cyberspace would like to know.

rak55 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 08, 2009, 03:13:31 PM »

rak55, or swamp! Do you have answer for Dee's challenge? curious minds out here in cyberspace would like to know.

seek and ye shall find.

Dee · « **Reply #49 on:** October 08, 2009, 03:55:13 PM »

nw_hunter, did you really think he would? Folks like to quote peices of the Bible they have heard about, but shy away from exposing themselves to be oblivious as to what it actually says, or even means for that matter, when put to the test.

nomosendero · « **Reply #50 on:** October 08, 2009, 04:24:13 PM »

Quote from: Dee on October 07, 2009, 08:18:13 AM

Quote from: rak55 on October 07, 2009, 06:26:53 AM
Dee, where do you see the maintenance and repair ordinance as not scripturally correct ? that's the law the people allowed their duly elected officials to set forth for the good of all.

Where you do you see it as scriptural? YOUR the one that questioned the man's Christianity, by saying he professed to be one, but was not acting like one. I am not in the business of doing so (judging hearts), and I doubt God gave you the authority. But, as I said. YOU brought it up. Let's see the scripture your making this assumption from, or did you just here about the scripture, and really don't know what it says?
Produce the scripture, or concede, that you don't know what your talking about in this regard. It is not a matter to debate, it is a matter of producing the scriptures.

Dee, you are correct, but there is something else here that Rak is ignorant of or ignoring. The Constitution
is the law of the land & we are to follow it instead of cotradictions of it.

Dee · « **Reply #51 on:** October 08, 2009, 04:35:49 PM »

I don't think he's ignoring it. I just think he doesn't understand it. He probably thinks he's a conservative because he votes Republican sometimes, and he thinks Republicans are conservative.
He bends over for big brother, the same way he does when he votes.

torpedoman · « **Reply #52 on:** October 08, 2009, 04:48:57 PM »

i found a county tax assessor measuring my house in colo. I told him he was conducting an illegal search on my property and to leave and not to come back without a warrant. He told me that the county said he could do it and they did it all the time, I asked if they payed his health insurance and did it cover getting shot for trespassing after being told to leave. he left and after that they called to ask permission before coming out.

mechanic · « **Reply #53 on:** October 08, 2009, 05:33:38 PM »

I once had an animal officer trying to unlatch my gate. My dog was going berserk when I stepped out with a handgun. He told me to unlatch the gate and let him check the dog's tag. I told him to come back with a warrant or leave. He came back 5 min. later with a cop. The cop asked me to let him in. I said no, get a warrant. I haven't seen them since. By the way, the dog had all his shots, tags, and papers and had nice living quarters. I just don't believe they have an absolute right to inspect anything that is mine.

rak55 · « **Reply #54 on:** October 08, 2009, 06:29:06 PM »

Quote from: Dee on October 08, 2009, 03:55:13 PM

nw_hunter, did you really think he would? Folks like to quote peices of the Bible they have heard about, but shy away from exposing themselves to be oblivious as to what it actually says, or even means for that matter, when put to the test.

my interpetation and yours will be different just like both of our personalities are different, my bible is a king james and I could use it like a sword but choose not to. if you need to know "seek and ye shall find"

rak55 · « **Reply #55 on:** October 08, 2009, 06:43:42 PM »

Quote from: Dee on October 08, 2009, 04:35:49 PM

I don't think he's ignoring it. I just think he doesn't understand it. He probably thinks he's a conservative because he votes Republican sometimes, and he thinks Republicans are conservative.
He bends over for big brother, the same way he does when he votes.

some witness you are Dee.
try answering a question instead of asking another question.
registered democrat,vote with my head.
bend over for no man.

beerbelly · « **Reply #56 on:** October 09, 2009, 01:32:51 AM »

I have dealt with city inspectors first hand. Most are nothing but crooks! I used to do some electrical work for my brother's company. The inspectors will make your life hell by turning down your work over and over for some supposal code violation. Each time he turns your work down, you have to pay a new inspection fee when he comes to recheck it.
After you slip him a bribe he passes everything first try! All government is corrupt! It is just the world we live in.
Beerbelly

Dee · « **Reply #57 on:** October 09, 2009, 03:23:03 AM »

Quote from: rak55 on October 08, 2009, 06:43:42 PM

Quote from: Dee on October 08, 2009, 04:35:49 PM
I don't think he's ignoring it. I just think he doesn't understand it. He probably thinks he's a conservative because he votes Republican sometimes, and he thinks Republicans are conservative.
He bends over for big brother, the same way he does when he votes.

some witness you are Dee.
try answering a question instead of asking another question.
registered democrat,vote with my head.
bend over for no man.

Mine's a King James too, so get your sword out Brother, and get to cuttin. Let's hear your scriptural reference if you have any. There are a lot of folks totin Bibles, but not many know what they actually say. Prove your point or concede. You brought God and the His Scriptures into this, condemning a man you don't even know. I will debate the meaning of ANY scripture you want, and will back it with scripture.
You like most liberals always think you have the higher ground, and act as such. Well rak my boy, I am a gun totin, Bible believing Christian, that believes in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights BOTH OF WHICH WERE WRITTEN AND BASED ON SCRIPTURE AND BIBLICAL LAW.
You are a LIBERAL lecturing folks just like me. You wanna get this over with, and PRODUCE YOUR SCRIPTURES or you wanna keep dodging something you talked yourself into, and know nothing about? I don't think it will go away.
YOU DIDN'T ASK ME A QUESTION! "I ASKED YOU ONE", YOU CAN'T, WON'T, AND HAVEN'T ANSWERED. YOU CAN'T DO THE BATE AND SWITCH WITH ME. YOU THROWED YOUR SADDLE ON SOMETHING YOU CAN'T RIDE, SO YOUR BACK ON THE FENCE TALKIN RODEO.
SOME WITNESS I AM, YOU SAY? WELL BROTHER BREAK OUT THAT KING JAMES YOU SAY YOU HAVE, AND I'LL WITNESS TO "YOU", AND I'LL GIVE "YOU" THE TRUTH, AND AS I SAID: I'LL BACK IT WITH SCRIPTURE.

Dee · « **Reply #58 on:** October 09, 2009, 03:36:43 AM »

Quote from: rak55 on October 08, 2009, 06:43:42 PM

Quote from: Dee on October 08, 2009, 04:35:49 PM
I don't think he's ignoring it. I just think he doesn't understand it. He probably thinks he's a conservative because he votes Republican sometimes, and he thinks Republicans are conservative.
He bends over for big brother, the same way he does when he votes.

some witness you are Dee.
try answering a question instead of asking another question.
registered democrat,vote with my head.
bend over for no man.

Oh yea! And you say your a registered democrat (that explains a lot), and that you bend over for no man? Well you seem more than willing to bend over for the building inspector. What's up with that? And if you won't bend over, why are you suggesting others bend over?

Cabin4 · « **Reply #59 on:** October 09, 2009, 05:27:49 AM »

Quote from: Dee on October 09, 2009, 03:36:43 AM

some witness you are Dee.
try answering a question instead of asking another question.
registered democrat,vote with my head.
bend over for no man.
[/quote]

Well you seem more than willing to bend over for the building inspector. What's up with that? [/quote]

LOL LOL