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Offline teamnelson

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Overcriminalization
« on: October 06, 2009, 06:41:57 AM »
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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2009, 07:00:51 AM »
It's a fact that most of us are unknowingly in violation of dozens of laws every day. This orchid case doesn't surprise me in the least.
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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 07:17:33 AM »
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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 10:29:39 AM »
 Nothing unusual about that. If a police officer follows a car for a mile or so that car WILL commit a violation of some sort to give probable cause to a traffic stop. Just take your typical court order. If it is not followed to the letter, a contempt charge can be easily argued. If the order states that you do something by 6pm, then at 6:01pm you are in contempt. No excuses except death.
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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2009, 10:52:37 AM »
when  was the last  time  you got out of jury  duty

had  i been  on that jurry  they would have  walked  away  with  a lawer  bill

thess  people  were  found guilty  by  a jury......unless they waived that right

we  have a democratically elected government


ELECTIONS  HAVE CONSEQUENSES
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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 11:02:45 AM »
game and fish conducts a search and sieze of a home without a warrant, and without notifying the occupants of the suspected offenses, which in this case turned out to be inadvertant noncompliance with obscure shipping laws regarding the transfer of orchids of all things, and we put a 69yo man in jail. yep, sounds like the home of the free.
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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 04:00:01 PM »
Quote from: TeamNelson on October 06, 2009, 11:02:45 AM
game and fish conducts a search and sieze of a home without a warrant, and without notifying the occupants of the suspected offenses, which in this case turned out to be inadvertant noncompliance with obscure shipping laws regarding the transfer of orchids of all things, and we put a 69yo man in jail. yep, sounds like the home of the free.


then  why  don't jurys  nulify  the charge???......i  would
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OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2009, 04:55:16 PM »
I just stood a wave of Captain's Masts and a Special Court Martial (as the Chaplain, not the accused). There are so many possible ways to charge someone now, a single UA can rack up 4 or 5 different Articles, with multiple specifications. I would imagine the civilian courts are even worse. It appears that we accuse by blitz now; throw a few dozen charges at them, hope that by the time a few are tossed out for illegal procedure, tossed by the judge, plea bargained, etc. there'll be one or two left sticking. Instead of just accusing of the one or two in the first place.

The orchid story should be a wake up call for anyone who ships any firearms or ammo related items.

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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2009, 05:29:18 PM »
Too many stupid laws. If you come to NY state, its against the law to shoot crows on tues, wed, or thurs.
 Does that make sense to anybody? How the heck can anybody keep up? Its all about money and power.



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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2009, 01:42:08 AM »
Land of the free my butt, we are the most regulated people on earth!
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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2009, 02:45:49 AM »
 absolutely true..its enough to turn me into a gun carrying hermit...if i didn t like people so good..slim :)
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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2009, 04:05:53 PM »
This hermit packs.
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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2009, 04:33:48 PM »
One case of overcriminilization we had locally was of a man who was convicted of 1rst degree murder. His daughters ex boyfriend came over and started beating on the daughters new boyfriend. The ex boyfriend was a convicted felon who was on home monitoring awaiting trial on an assault charge on a MN state trooper. The father of the ex girlfriend came out with a knife and in the subsequent fight with the ex boyfriend stabbed and killed him.

The prosector would not even let the Grand Jury hear about the "victims" backround even when asked if they could talk to the Highway Patrolman. So the grand jury only givin the limited information indited the man on 1rst degree murder.


In the trial they would not allow the State Patrolman to testify to how dangerous the "victim" was.  The defendant was very poor and had a limited defence. Our county attourney got his conviction on 1rst degree murder. Luckily for this man he was givin a retrial, he decided to take a guilty plea on a The jurors when questioned after the trial and giving the facts on the "victim" said they would have  aquitted if they would have known how dangeroud the "victim" was.


The county attourny from the county that borders ours on the south said that the defendent in this case should have been givin a medal, not a trial.

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Re: Overcriminalization
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2009, 04:47:05 PM »
Quote from: TeamNelson on October 06, 2009, 04:55:16 PM
I just stood a wave of Captain's Masts and a Special Court Martial (as the Chaplain, not the accused). There are so many possible ways to charge someone now, a single UA can rack up 4 or 5 different Articles, with multiple specifications. I would imagine the civilian courts are even worse. It appears that we accuse by blitz now; throw a few dozen charges at them, hope that by the time a few are tossed out for illegal procedure, tossed by the judge, plea bargained, etc. there'll be one or two left sticking. Instead of just accusing of the one or two in the first place.

The orchid story should be a wake up call for anyone who ships any firearms or ammo related items.




you  are  right...thats  the way  it  iS


if  the locals  can't  convict  then  the feds can  trump  up  something


elections  have consequences.....VOTE  THESE  GUYS  OUT

next  time  any one gets  the honor  of serving  jury  duty





DO  IT
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when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
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no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.
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