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Offline sako

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1911 model
« on: October 07, 2009, 06:42:51 PM »
Any threads out there already discussing this?  I have narrowed it down between the Spingfield and the Kimber.  Any stand-out reasons I should consider one of the other in similar models?
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2009, 12:34:59 AM »
Sako:  take this to the 1911/45 forum and see what they say there....
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2009, 05:26:14 PM »
Quote from: sako on October 07, 2009, 06:42:51 PM
Any threads out there already discussing this?  I have narrowed it down between the Spingfield and the Kimber.  Any stand-out reasons I should consider one of the other in similar models?
  consider the rock island they are very accurate have a great trigger and never fail to feed and fire.what more do you want a pistol to do?
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2009, 02:24:41 PM »
Sako......I have 3 Kimbers, all in the 45acp caliber, 2 are stainless (1 a carry gun) I have never come across a Springfield (stock out the box) that can shoot group to group at 10 and 20 yards with my Kimbers. One has to spend twice as much money, inorder to out shoot a Kimber factory pistol out the box.........Fact!!! A Wilson or Bown model will start out at around $2100 Big Bucks.

Now last month on another "gun-sight" there was some chatter about Kimber's NOT being up to the hip! Well, I chimmed in and asked those persons for actual proof that Kimbers in the short carry gun have lots of problems......NOBODY could show anything against the Kimber company or it's pistols products. So don't believe all you read on the internet ok.

If I wish to shoot small impressive groups at the pistol range, I grab my Kimber's and let the bullets fly down range. I carry Glocks for CCW weapon because of thumb disorder (not being able to sweep off the 1911 safety. However, I love those Kimber & Colt 1911 models.
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2009, 12:24:17 AM »
I worked at a shooting range for three years.  I had a customer that had loved his kimbers and then ordered a 40S&W kimber for his daughter in colledge.  He had sent it back to kimber three times, each time it came back with a new problem.  The last problem was a malfuntioning slide stop, I took a slide stop off a range gun,(Springfield), and fixed it so it would not have to go back again.  Many customers loved thier Springfields, many loved thier Kimbers, but there were others that hated both.  Any company can have a lemon at one time or another. 8)  I had a friend with a $1000.00 custom Colt, I owned a stock Starr model P I paid $350.00 for.  The Starr out shot his Colt every time out,  used to really tic him off.  Most guns are more accurate than the shooter.  Bye the way Springfield has excelent customer service.  I had a customer who blew his barrel with a bad handload, told Springfield it was his handload;  they fixed it at no charge anyway! ;D
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2009, 06:23:02 AM »
I would look at Dan Wesson. I've had 2 springers and only have a DW. Know which I like?
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2009, 06:25:29 AM »
Kimber .
Are Springfield parts still imported from South America ?
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2009, 06:52:59 AM »
I have both a Springer (Mil-Spec) that I purchased 4 years ago used (used very little) for $350. I have put another $350 into cosmetic "stuff" and important "stuff" such as trigger work and a EGW barrel bushing. IMHO, it's just as accurate as my brand new Kimber Ultra Carry.

Both guns feed, shoot and eject ammo like crazy, as long as you give 'em good reloads or new factory stuff. They are both reliable and fine examples of what a 1911 should be.

I say get what you like with the money you have to spend.

I don't think you will be disappointed with your choice.

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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2009, 07:24:42 AM »
Without going into a lot of detail - Shot and owned a lot of .45's, most were pretty good, Kimbers at the top of the heap.  I own 3 of em now, 2 of which I have put a lot of rounds thru, and have proven to be accurate and dead reliable.  To do any better, you have to look to a custom maker for a lot more cash.  I just picked up a Kimber Ultra Carry ll with the Crimson Trace laser grip, and so far its been 100% reliable with Winchester ball and HP, as well as my semi wadcutter reloads, about 500 rounds so far.   The basic Custom Target model is a lot of gun for the money, about $875.00 or so, I believe.

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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2009, 08:56:27 AM »
The "Ultra Carry", is my favorite carry 1911! I currently don't own an Ultra, but my slightly larger "Pro Carry" works well also. When someone shoots an Ultra for the first time they are surprised that it shoots like a big gun & carries like a BUG. My SS Custom Target was a hell of a gun as well. Just as you said.  The Kimbers are my first choice for an "off the shelf 1911".
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2009, 11:01:32 PM »
I have owned a lot of 1911 pistols from complete parts guns built on an essexs frame to customized colt national match pistols.  Currently I own three and they are all from a different manufacturer and all are full sized guns.  Ths first is a straight GI 1911A1 built by Auto Ordinance.  I have done nothing to the pistol except get a chip macCormic mag for it so it will shoot lead SWC more reliably.  The second in a Kimber Elite II That is reliable and accurate without giving me any hart burn at all.  The third is a Tourus PT1911 that to date performs as well as the kimber but cost over 200 less.  I have seen a lot of people bad mouth Taurus pistols but as far as I can tell from the two I own (the other is a PT99 that I have owned for 25 years)They are good guns.  By the way the PT1811 comes with a hole list of custom features others charge hundreds of $ for.
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2009, 06:45:53 AM »
Now just so some of you folks know and realize, the 1911 model 45acp was NOT designed to be shot with a chopped off short barrel or modified feed ramp! Some of these minor problems happened to Kimber and other manufacturers as well. Now perhaps it was parts coming from out of the country I don't really know for a FACT!!!

However, when you start speaking of a 1911 model in a .40cal Smith & Wesson, that is a whole different ball of wax gentlemen. The only time my Kimber "carry gun" ever JAMMED was when my daughter wanted to shoot the pistol. She limp wrists pistols and didn't know how to shoot the gun that day. It has never JAMMED on me or the wife ever.

I have read a lot of BS about KIMBER'S so called problems with those who own Kimbers, usually someone's buddy (no name or account of facts) that has had major problems with his KIMBER model 1911 45acp!!! Then when I aske for a phone number, so I can varifiy the "true facts" that person justs fades away......never a come back.
Now any factory rifle or pistol coming to you, can have a minor problem or two. I have gone through this with Winchester, Colt, Remington, Marlin and Browning in the last 45 years. Only once was I ever left hung out to dry. Thank you Remington!!!, New JUNK model 742 in a 30-06. I solved the problem, traded the rifle in on the best hunting rifle I ever owned, a new Belgium Browning FN in the .300 win mag.
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2009, 08:02:12 PM »
It is off subject, but since you brought up the Remington 742, they had soft rails and would litterly eat themselves.  Look at the rails and you will see chips which cause the bolt to chatter.  The factury used to have a program that allowed you a discount on a new 7400.  Do not know if they still do or not. 8)
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2009, 06:13:16 AM »
Rawhidekid.......Now that 742 Remmy went by the way side in 1964! Now getting back to Kimber model 1911's! They are top quality and you will have to spend twice as much money in order to find a model 1911 that will outshoot them at the pistol range.

The triggers on my Kimbers are second to none for a factory pistol!!! Yes, they are smooth as silk and set at around 3.5-lbs pull. My wife can shoot my Kimber Carry gun at 12 yards and all shots will be one ragged hole believe it or not. I will confess, she can shoot better than most men and on some days beter than yours truely....Dah!
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2009, 01:08:28 PM »
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2009, 04:41:02 PM »
Tonk;  I also spent 3 years after working with the gunsmiths, taking care of an indoor range.  My wife shot like yours up until she got fibromilaga,(close enough).  Now she starts out in the bulls eye but starts saging after a magfull.  While on the range I noticed most women when taught propperly shoot better than men.  I think it has to do with difference in the mind set.  I once had a lady cop shooting next to a male cop, when her target holder got shot I told her to take her time.  She informed me in no uncertain terms it was the male officer who had shot her target holder from the other lane. ???  He sheepishly said he doesn't shoot much! ::)  In all the time I worked there only three times were targets shot by by other shooters and two of those were officers. 8)
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2009, 05:04:09 AM »
I own one Springfield (trophy match) and 5 Kimbers. Both brands shoot well for me. I carry a Kimber Eclipes II and shoot competition with a 5 inch out of Kimbers custom shop. One of the best ways to choose which gun you like is to shoot them. Find a gun range that rents guns and try them both...
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2009, 03:42:41 AM »
Rawhidekid.........I am no authority on women understand, however when my wife wanted to obtain her CCW permit, I said ok but you have a lot of work to do.

I instructed her "how to shoot a handgun"  it took 3 months and around 5,000 rounds of ammo down range. She also went through several pistol changes along the way, she shot the highest score on qualifing day of the 22 people in attendance. The distance was 21ft!
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Re: 1911 model
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2009, 06:52:51 AM »
Tonk;  that is great.  The ladies I have helped, once they got the newness off, usually preferred the larger calibers.  My wife carried a Star PD, compact .45 ACP, probably still would if not for the fibermylasia and the fact you can't get the buffers for them anymore.  She then carried a Taurus PT 140 and that was a really great little gun.  Now she has the Berretta 92 in a big purse or her Taurus Millinium Pro .45 ACP.   I have tried talking her into a 38 revolver, but it is her choice. 8) 
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