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What decent 1911's are available at a reasonalbe price?
« on: October 08, 2009, 10:27:41 AM »
Ever since I sold my Colt 1911 about 10 years ago I've been kickin' myself.  I've wanted to get another one but I just can't afford one that is equivalent to it.  It wasn't some high end model, just a blued series 80 government model but it worked great, never malfunctioned, was accurate and most importantly, it was solid and reliable. 

OK, so here's my question:  What 1911's are out there that are reasonably priced yet function well and will last (not built cheap)?  I've looked into Rock Island's, Springfield Armory and a few others.  I'd like to stay within the $500 mark and below it if possible.  If I can get stainless, that would be a plus but when working within a budget, one can't ask for too much.  Quality and function should come first. 
Anyone have any recommendations???

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Re: What decent 1911's are available at a reasonalbe price?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2009, 10:50:50 AM »
Blackhawker:  in this very same forum, eight topics down regarding the Norinco 1911 is a pretty good place to start with opinions, experience and cost factors thrown in on a lot of name brand 1911s.  Once you are through there just continue on down the rest of the page and onto the next and you will find plenty of information on just what you are asking about.  It's all there for the reader.  HTH.

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Re: What decent 1911's are available at a reasonalbe price?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2009, 11:22:59 AM »
I have a Rock Island .45 auto (made in the Phillipines) that I paid $345.00, new.  Its the blue, military A1 version.  I have put over 500 rounds thru it with complete reliability, ball and swc reloads.  Fixed sights are dead on.  These guns are well made, and a good deal for the $, in my opinion.   The only change has been stag grips.  Its the bottom gun in the pic.

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Re: What decent 1911's are available at a reasonalbe price?
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 02:02:39 PM »
Love my Taurus!
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Re: What decent 1911's are available at a reasonalbe price?
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2009, 04:41:17 AM »
If you must stay under the $500 mark, it's likely you'll have to buy a RI, or a used Springfield. I would recommend the later. I traded for a RI Tactical. It's been a bit disappointing to date.
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I'm certain you meant to say "Rock Island". Glad you're happy with yours!
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Re: What decent 1911's are available at a reasonalbe price?
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2009, 06:52:24 AM »
Thanks so far for the input everyone.  Mikey, I have been reading some of the threads.  It's funny though, one hears good and bad on every model and for every manufacture:  This one is cheap, this one works great, that one needs work after you buy it, etc.  I suppose overall they all work well and function well but occasionally there are some dogs out there.  I have a friend that bought a Taurus and had nothing but trouble with it and then couldn't even get service for it.  Then there are lots of people that say the Taurus is great.  I suppose what's most important (in case you get one of those "dogs") is to make sure you buy with a manufacture that will give you support as well as a good product. 

What I'm mostly looking for is a 1911 that will give me years and years of service.  I've read a lot on the threads of members saying they've shot 500 or 1000 rounds through their guns without a problem.  That's good to hear but unfortunately, for me that's maybe 1 year's worth of shooting.  I have a Ruger Blackhawk that has roughly 15,000 to 20,000 or more rounds of some stiff relaods fired through it and it's still going strong.  I'm not certain how long an automatic lasts as compared to a revolver but I know frame strength and slide strength has a lot to do with longevity etc.  I suppose that's what I'm looking for mostly so any insight on that would help.  That's not to say that everything thus far written has not been helpful though.  Thanks for all your input so far.  I'd love to hear more.

Savage, what happened to your Rock Island?  What didn't you like about it?

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Re: What decent 1911's are available at a reasonalbe price?
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2009, 07:04:00 AM »
I traded for a RI Tactical.

What didn't you like about that gun?  If I was going to buy a RIA 1911 it'd be the 5" tactical model just because of the wider grip safety, sights, and full length guide rod.

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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2009, 08:09:00 AM »
Blackhawker,
A little background: I shot my first 1911 at the age of eight. I've been hooked on them for over sixty years now. I have owned dozens over the years, and built a half dozen or so from parts. I currently own eight from various manufacturers, no brand fixation here! The "inexpensive" 1911s in my safe include, the subject RIA, Taurus, and Charles Daly. The RIA, came to me in a trade. No gripes about the small investment I have in it, when it leaves my hands, it'll run like any 1911 should.

I first met the pistol when a local officer brought it to me to see if I could make it feed properly. Everytime he chambered a round, it hit the feed ramp low and set back the bullet in the case. Once a round was chambered, it fed ok-------------sometimes. I tuned the extractor and polished the breach face. One of the roughest I've seen. It turned out to be an easy polish as the breach face was also the softest I've seen. When I reassembled the slide, I found the firing pin was bent and had to be properly indexed to work properly in the channel. The barrel was not properly fitted, and the link was too long. Didn't do anything about the above as my work was "Pro Bono", and once assembled the pistol did work-----sorta. It came with one magazine, looks like a Novak. When the magazine is inserted smartly, as in a slide lock reload, the mag catch allows the magazine, any magazine I've tried, (McCormic/Taurus/Megar/Novak/Wilson/Nighthawk) to jump the mag slot and tie up the slide. The mag catch is showing a lot of wear for the few rounds through the gun, (Soft) So, I decide to replace the mag catch. Problem!! The mag catch opening is too small to accept the three mag catches I have on hand. EBrown/Springfield, and another from an old Brazilian Colt. I'll have to mic the RIA mag catch and locate one that will fit the RIA frame, or have one turned down to fit.
On the plus side: the pistol looks good, has decent sights, and shoots to point of aim. I shot it in an IDPA match last week, were it not for the magazine problem I would have done pretty well. The RIA looks better internally than the Charles Daly I own. Big difference is: The Daly (Officer's size stainless) has always worked. Comparing the three inexpensive 1911s I own, fit/function/internal finish/features, the Taurus is the clear winner. This is only my experiences. I read lots of posts praising the RIA, so I must assume the majority of them work. When the Taurus was under $500 otd, it was the best buy out there, IMO. Now with them up around the $600 mark the Springfield "Loaded" looks like a good choice as well. Maybe even an entry level Kimber at not much more.
Hope I have answered your questions, and not just muddied the waters!
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Re: What decent 1911's are available at a reasonalbe price?
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2009, 08:15:33 AM »
Teddy,
If I were buying a RIA, I'd buy the tactical for the reasons you mentioned. Sights, hammer, beavertail, lowered ejection port. These are important on a 1911 to be used as a shooter.
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Re: What decent 1911's are available at a reasonalbe price?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2009, 08:17:51 AM »
Interesting you brought up the springfield loaded models.  I'd love to buy one of the loaded parkerized models, but have never been convinced it's worth over $700.  I've looked for used ones also, but they seem to be in the same range.

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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2009, 08:27:14 AM »
If this is your first experience with a 1911, an inexpensive one that works will likely make you very happy. You have to experience the better ones to know the difference. When you consider the "Cookie Cutter" pistols like the M&P, Glock, XD, and the like are selling in the $500-$600 range. A nice $700 1911 doesn't seem so expensive.
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2009, 08:57:18 AM »
Blackhawker,
A little background: I shot my first 1911 at the age of eight. I've been hooked on them for over sixty years now. I have owned dozens over the years, and built a half dozen or so from parts. I currently own eight from various manufacturers, no brand fixation here! The "inexpensive" 1911s in my safe include, the subject RIA, Taurus, and Charles Daly. The RIA, came to me in a trade. No gripes about the small investment I have in it, when it leaves my hands, it'll run like any 1911 should.

I first met the pistol when a local officer brought it to me to see if I could make it feed properly. Everytime he chambered a round, it hit the feed ramp low and set back the bullet in the case. Once a round was chambered, it fed ok-------------sometimes. I tuned the extractor and polished the breach face. One of the roughest I've seen. It turned out to be an easy polish as the breach face was also the softest I've seen. When I reassembled the slide, I found the firing pin was bent and had to be properly indexed to work properly in the channel. The barrel was not properly fitted, and the link was too long. Didn't do anything about the above as my work was "Pro Bono", and once assembled the pistol did work-----sorta. It came with one magazine, looks like a Novak. When the magazine is inserted smartly, as in a slide lock reload, the mag catch allows the magazine, any magazine I've tried, (McCormic/Taurus/Megar/Novak/Wilson/Nighthawk) to jump the mag slot and tie up the slide. The mag catch is showing a lot of wear for the few rounds through the gun, (Soft) So, I decide to replace the mag catch. Problem!! The mag catch opening is too small to accept the three mag catches I have on hand. EBrown/Springfield, and another from an old Brazilian Colt. I'll have to mic the RIA mag catch and locate one that will fit the RIA frame, or have one turned down to fit.
On the plus side: the pistol looks good, has decent sights, and shoots to point of aim. I shot it in an IDPA match last week, were it not for the magazine problem I would have done pretty well. The RIA looks better internally than the Charles Daly I own. Big difference is: The Daly (Officer's size stainless) has always worked. Comparing the three inexpensive 1911s I own, fit/function/internal finish/features, the Taurus is the clear winner. This is only my experiences. I read lots of posts praising the RIA, so I must assume the majority of them work. When the Taurus was under $500 otd, it was the best buy out there, IMO. Now with them up around the $600 mark the Springfield "Loaded" looks like a good choice as well. Maybe even an entry level Kimber at not much more.
Hope I have answered your questions, and not just muddied the waters!
Savage


Savage, WOW...thanks for the input. 
When you mentioned the breach face being soft, better yet, softEST....is that a bad thing?
I'm not a big auto-pistol user so my knowledge is limited.  From what I understand the slide on a 45 must be of a "softer" steel than the frame or the same so to avoid wear on the frame rails.  Is that correct??...so a soft breach face would be OK? ???

I do understand that this is your experience with one particular RI and your experience with the Taurus is good yet opposite of ONE bad experience that I've heard of.  It's funny how one bad experience can influence us not to buy a particular brand etc yet there can be so many good experiences that don't amount to much.  (just a thought)  I definitely appreciate your writing all what you did.  It's certainly opened my eyes to things to look for in a decent auto pistol when I actually do buy one.

Personally, I like the Taurus.  I like the look of it and I've heard a lot of good things about them.  The bad things I've heard is the support and then there's the one bad experience my friend had.  If the support wasn't a problem, I'd probably look into a Taurus.

Thanks for your help and commentary.

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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2009, 11:41:23 AM »
Blackhawker,
Didn't mean to imply that I wouldn't own another RIA. If the price were right I'd take a chance on another. Gotta have a few hobbies!
Factory service means little to me on a pistol. Short of catastrophic slide or frame failures, parts replacement is easy. In the case of 1911s ,Glocks, and Rugers for example, high quality after market parts are readily available, and reasonably inexpensive should one need repair. Usually a worn component can be replaced for less than the shipping cost to return the gun for warranty. As a plus, you don't have to send it off for an extended period.
Frames and slides are generally the same hardness. Ideally they are hard enough to resist wear, without being hard enough to become brittle. Very little wear occurs between the frame rails and slide after the break in period on a properly lubed pistol. Assuming of course the metallurgy was correct initially. The softer metal will batter and wear more quickly than something a bit harder. If the recoil spring is changed frequently, and dare I say it-------perhaps even a buffer installed, wear shouldn't be too much of a problem under normal usage.
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Re: What decent 1911's are available at a reasonalbe price?
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2009, 01:08:06 PM »
If you must stay under the $500 mark, it's likely you'll have to buy a RI, or a used Springfield. I would recommend the later. I traded for a RI Tactical. It's been a bit disappointing to date.
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Bigeasy,
I'm certain you meant to say "Rock Island". Glad you're happy with yours!

Savage-

My mistake, I meant to say Rock Island, not Rock River.  That said, it's still a nice gun.  Only have 500 rounds thru it because I have only had it about a year, and have to many other guns to shoot....:)   Now my series 70 Gold Gup, and my Kimber target both have well over 15K each thru them, with just an extractor replacement on the Colt.  But then they are well over $500.  I reccomended the Rock Island based on what appears to be the quality of its construction, and performance to date.  As an only, all around gun, I would reccomend the model with all the bells and whistles (Beavertail safety, better sights, ect.) for only a few bucks more,

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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2009, 01:31:49 PM »
Bigeasy,
Yep, I have 1911s that I haven't shot in a year. I do most of my action pistol matches these days with 9mm and .40 Glocks, with a CZ thrown in now and then. Plan to shoot the 1911s a little more this year, and there's the Hi Power I need to shoot. Then there's the revolvers. Guess I'd better get busy! So little time, I'd better get busy loading ammo!
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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2009, 03:08:29 PM »
I have a Rock Island .45 auto (made in the Phillipines) that I paid $345.00, new.  Its the blue, military A1 version.  I have put over 500 rounds thru it with complete reliability, ball and swc reloads.  Fixed sights are dead on.  These guns are well made, and a good deal for the $, in my opinion.   The only change has been stag grips.  Its the bottom gun in the pic.

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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2009, 08:13:27 PM »
I have a Rock Island Tactical and like it fine.  Shoots whatever I put in  and never gives any problem.  You might want to take a look at the Para Ordnance GI Expert.  Haven't been able to shoot one yet, but it seems to be a very nice pistol for the money.
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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2009, 01:25:36 AM »
The S&W 1911 is also an excellent gun for the money. Most people, myself included, report flawless reliability with just about anything. 1911 purists object to its external extractor but my feeling is that S&W, in entering the 1911 field, knew that the gun would die on the assembly line if it acquired a  negative reputation. They designed it to work and that it does.

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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2009, 03:00:24 AM »
how are the colt 1991a comander models for a basic model.  Saw one used for less than 450 and was suprised to see the price.  Talked to a couple of people who seemed to be very familiar with the 1911s and they were not impressed with colt.  Naturally, both thougth the kimber was the way to go.  I dont want to spend kimber $$ for something I dont think I am going to use much.  I have always thought a colt would be nice to have because it is the namesake of the style.

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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2009, 08:23:18 AM »
$450 would be a decent price for a Colt Combat Commander, the all steel model. If it were in decent shape, I'd buy it for that price.
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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2009, 04:10:59 PM »
$450 would be a decent price for a Colt Combat Commander, the all steel model. If it were in decent shape, I'd buy it for that price.
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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2009, 06:30:05 PM »
I held a RIA tactical today.  It was a nice solid gun,  The slide release was a little stiff to press on and the safety was much easier to move.  I was impressed, but they wanted 530 plus tax and I thought I could do better.

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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2009, 02:06:32 AM »
Teddy, I agree! The attraction of the RIA is the price. I hope they don't price themselves out of the market. They have a lot of appeal for first time 1911 buyers. They have sold a lot of them in the <$400 range. When they get up in the $500 range, they're way out of their class. Keep looking, for >$500 you can pick up a pretty nice used 1911 if you shop wisely.
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2009, 11:17:55 AM »
The $450 Collt bajabill was referring to isn't the Combat Commander we all know & love - It's Colt's econo 1991a Commander, which (last time I checked) has plastic parts in the trigger & mainspring areas.

IMHO, the $450 is a decent price for the basic pistol, as long as a buyer is aware that it'd be best to swap out the econo parts for mil-surp/GI or non-plastic replacements from Colt - about $75 if it's a DIY job.

I spent my $$$ on a like-new/used Commander-sized stainless Springfield Armory Champion:



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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2009, 12:35:35 AM »
sti spartan is about the best bang for the buck ive seen in a 1911
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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2009, 02:14:11 AM »
I am with Savage on the use of shock buffers.
I prefer springs to be the source of these controls.
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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2009, 06:55:04 AM »
Yesterday I saw and handled three of some of the 45's we've been discussing; a RI, an American Classic (Philippine made) and a Taurus.  The Taurus was really nice but wore a tag of $605, which is probably worth the price.  The RI was $425 or $450 but the American Standard, which had a lot more options and nicer three dot sights was only $405.  I was even told by the sale person that if I paid with cash any of the prices could be lowered a bit.  Overall I thought the American Standard looked the best for the price and even looked better than the RI.  The Taurus was definitely the best overall but it's a little over what I want to spend. 

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« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2009, 02:21:26 AM »
It IS a correct statement that the Colt has some plastic in its construction.
The mainspring housing is plastic. It does dot suffer a lot of pressure and it probably will work for a long time.
That said these are the issues you face with less expensive weapons---and I am not dicouraging you at all---they WILL work and probably for a long time-- The steel is soft--again Yada yada yada.
Parts, for most people---not me  :'(---are a pretty easy change.
I am a parts changer--wheather or not the ones I put in are better or not is a matter of taste.
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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2009, 05:13:42 AM »
I agree with parts swapping.  That pistol is SO easy to break down and put together and since most every one is made to military specs, it's pretty easy to upgrade parts since they're so readily available. 

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« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2009, 12:51:06 PM »
I'm certainly glad to see that the conversation regarding bajabill's inquiry of a "Colt Combat Commander" at $450 was met with so much collegial consensus. I suppose everyone familiar with that 1911 iteration would be pleased to have one at that price! ;) Don't know where the rest of you reside, but in my neck of the woods, depending on condition, even Colt's econo 1991a Commander would bring closer to a $100 more than that.

One poster's comment, "$450 would be a decent price for a Colt Combat Commander, the all steel model. ... in decent shape, I'd buy it for that price", reminds of typical gunshow dealer conversation to the unsuspecting schmuck deciding to sell, dear old deceased dad's favorite carry piece. And another thing, I would guess a 1911 aluminum alloy, lightweight frame would be somewhat softer material than its' mated steel slide. Just sayin'.