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They are right on schedule..
« on: October 13, 2009, 03:19:58 AM »
  They ARE right on schedule....pass this on, so real Americans can prepare..

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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2009, 08:21:07 AM »
WOW, just did a little research on those 2. Talk about a couple of communists. With him being a WWII vet,Navy, and an Army vet from Korea era, you'da thought he had more common sense then that. gypsyman
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2009, 10:21:35 AM »
The poor might soon discover what happens when there is no middle class to support them.
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2009, 11:04:44 AM »
 A lot of surprises coming if the Socialists get their way..not the least of which will be the ones who were naieve enough to support B. Hussein Obama.
   Is it only a coincidence that it appears that everything he does, seems to be aimed toward the destruction of the United States? Remember he even said before election he wanted to cause a sweeping and fundamental change in our country.
     Lenin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot did as much with theirs.
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Re: They are right on schedule..
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2009, 11:17:42 AM »
SEEMS TO ME THEY ARE GETTING JUST WHAT THEY WANT!

I will surely be disappointed for my children and their's but A good enema is always a good thing and this country needs one badly! Me and mine will survive this "Depression"(may not be the accurate word) coming but It will be so hard on the obamma supporters cause they will only be able to eat themselves! or cake!
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Re: They are right on schedule..
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2009, 11:21:57 AM »
Speaking of sweeping and fundamental change in our country why not mention Washington, Jefferson, Adams et al?
The one constant is change. Evolve or die.

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Re: They are right on schedule..
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2009, 11:42:52 AM »
Makes sense. Brake the budget, plunge the country into the financial abyss, destroy the currency, take away freedoms, give away our sovereignty, expose us to foreign conflicts and issues, open the borders for free flow in of illegal’s.....

Looks like the Obama strategy to me.

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Re: They are right on schedule..
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2009, 12:10:35 PM »
I have believed that Obama's real motives all along were to destroy America as we know it. In his way of thinking we as a nation DESERVE to be a third world nation, as punishment for past misdeeds to his chosen black race (he is only half black).
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Re: They are right on schedule..
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2009, 02:22:46 PM »
Speaking of sweeping and fundamental change in our country why not mention Washington, Jefferson, Adams et al?
The one constant is change. Evolve or die.

  Crusty;
           One fundamental difference: Washington, Jefferson, Adams et al...strove to provide freedom;
  Barack Hussein Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Biden et al..are striving to take freedom away..
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Re: They are right on schedule..
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2009, 02:50:43 PM »
Need we dig any deeper, I think not.

Thomas Jefferson to Archibald Stuart, 1791.

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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2009, 04:43:39 PM »
This Cloward-Priven Strategy with failure as a goal is a joke. However, it is interesting to see so much credence given to a "liberal" concept. :P I feel sorry for anyone that believes any administration is out to intentionally ruin the country. I may not agree with the goals and means but to discount their intentions is living in a fantasy world. We have an election system that adequately screens our elected officials as far as malicous intentions are concerned.
What is the major Obama issue? Healthcare. To deny that the system needs to be changed is denying the facts. It is governments responsibility to promote the general welfare. We can't maintain our position as the greatest nation if health costs are running 16% of GNP while the rest of the world is at 10%. I'm glad he is addressing the issue, someone needed to. I would be just as happy to see it be a Republican

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Re: They are right on schedule..
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2009, 06:12:27 PM »
Obama talked about sweeping change. I truly believe his intention is to wreck the system we have as the means to justify the system he wants. He is not going to own up to wrecking the system, he will just be there holding the crutch as a solution while blaming the prior administration and the foundational principals of capitalism and our founding principles (sound familiar??).

He has a majority in both houses so this is something he can do and not unreasonable to accept the premise. If he can do it quickly, it can happen before most American wake up and understand what's happened. Obama has no history to suggest he accepts capitalism nor our founding principles. Here is a man who studied and was a teacher of constitutional law yet, he has not one single constitutional paper written to suggest he accepts it nor our founding principles. He is the president of the USA and there is nothing in his history to support that he is anything but opposed to our traditional principals

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Re: They are right on schedule..
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2009, 06:25:00 PM »
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We have an election system that adequately screens our elected officials as far as malicous intentions are concerned.

You may can screen malicious plans but intent is not screenable! You have here an election system that promotes lying gives dividends to the liar, and a press that ignores fallicy and will not report anything about a candidate that they support!

The system definitely needs tuning and maybe overhaul! But a government run system is an abomination and a robbery of individual liberty! There aint no free ride!

I still say I dont want no health plan that the president and congress dont want any part of!!!!!!!!!!!

I wont go ALONG WITH IT UNTIL THEY SIGN UP FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you think that obama has any plan other than more governmental say over what happens in this country then you have not studied what he has said in the past! He does not like the constitution cause it only says what the government cant do to you, he wants a document that says what the government can do for you.

Government run health care is power and he is wanting more power. call anything you like but it is a power struggle, just like giving the unions control over the car makers and buying  the votes free ride wanters all over this country!

goverment run health care is a damned joke! the poor already get free medical care and medication I know I bring it to them daily!
He says he wants all the uninsured to be covered! most dont want insurance they spend that money on liquor and drugs and ignore their health until it fails then go to a ER and get free care and medication!
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Re: They are right on schedule..
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2009, 11:49:58 PM »
I don't think Obama doesn't care one bit what happens to this country. He is just hell bent on ramming his socialist agenda down our throats. After all he has traveled to other countries and told their leaders what a bad evil country America is, and has even apologized for America. I don't know why, but the word treason comes to mind.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what contributes to a good economy and what hinders an economy. All Obama needs to do, if he is that stupid is look at what worked before. Capitalism has not ruined this country's economy as you hear from Obama's supporters. It is government that has ruined capitalism. Yes I think Obama hates this country. There is no other answer for what he is doing. 
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Re: They are right on schedule..
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2009, 02:49:46 AM »
Honestly, I don't think Obama has a clue about what he is doing, I don't think he has a plan, I don't think that he is the first one to know what he just did.
You folks give this guy too much credit for sense.
Now, I am not saying he is not wrecking the country---I am saying he has no clue what he is doing.
That is the real danger in him.
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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2009, 03:21:47 AM »
WilliamLayton:

I tend to agree. But I believe he does know to lead from his idealogical framework, which is Communist. And he has surrounded himself with like minded people. As with Soviet communism in particular and communism and marxism in general, there is an insistence that ideals be embraced, without regard to bad results.

This mode of thinking is very powerful. In soviet Russia, for example, the purges that killed millions were seen by many as a social mobility mechanism in that many people got better jobs thanks to the deaths of others. Another common idea was that communism failed because it was tainted by capitalism, which tainted communism as it had tainted so many other things. In particular globalization and global manufacturing was blamed.

How powerful is this kind of thinking? Today, most Russians believe that Stalin did more good than harm, and they believe that knowing that he was responsible for millions of deaths. This isn't supposition. Good legitimate, well designed polls were taken in 2005 and 2007 to study the political memory of Russians.



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Re: They are right on schedule..
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2009, 06:37:15 AM »
my problem with your thinking crusta... is you totally endorse big govt as being the way to solve these problems..thats our big difference ... theres 50 states..with one us govt responcible for the common defence of all.. let the individual states do the governing in that state an let  washington dc,, limit itself to its job.. providing a common defence..this is the big readjustment id like to see.. go back to what was originally intended..dump dump big government..jmo slim

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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2009, 07:23:38 AM »
This Cloward-Priven Strategy with failure as a goal is a joke. However, it is interesting to see so much credence given to a "liberal" concept. :P I feel sorry for anyone that believes any administration is out to intentionally ruin the country. I may not agree with the goals and means but to discount their intentions is living in a fantasy world. We have an election system that adequately screens our elected officials as far as malicous intentions are concerned.
What is the major Obama issue? Healthcare. To deny that the system needs to be changed is denying the facts. It is governments responsibility to promote the general welfare. We can't maintain our position as the greatest nation if health costs are running 16% of GNP while the rest of the world is at 10%. I'm glad he is addressing the issue, someone needed to. I would be just as happy to see it be a Republican


The one thing that is clear in your statement is that # 1 you are a liberal, and # 2 socialist in your thinking. To not see the corruption in our government, you would have to be both, or a complete dolt. You don't seem to be the latter, so the former must be the key to your opinion of one of the most corrupt administrations since Lincoln.
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2009, 01:50:33 PM »
  Crusty;
  You should have read a bit farther to include the entire article...esp paragraphs about 7-9....very enlightening! Keep in mind, the Cloward/Piven strategy was published back in the 60s in "The Nation" magazine. Saul Alinsky, one of Obama's primary mentors enjoined it with great enthusiasm.
   You can see that their ideas require much deceit, dissembling, devious planning, disinformation and lies measured by the tonnage. No proiblem though, in the Communist dialectic.."the end justifies the means".
  You don't believe that ANY administration would try to destroy our country. That may have been casually true before this one..Although the last 2-3 admins have been self-absorbed and may have caused damage through neglect, this one seems different.
  What is the worst thing any administration can possibly do to destroy the United States as we know it ? Answer: Take away our Constitutional freedoms!
   Obama has been trying to push through many of his pet ideas although not too successfully, praise God...
       
  So Crusty, of all his ideas he has tried to foist upon us..tell us of just ONE of his which would have given any of us as individuals... more freedom ?
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2009, 11:58:06 PM »
  TM;
   You are correct in that G W F Hegel had the same ideas, I only used the term "Communist dialectic" because even though Hegel preceded Marx & Engels, the latter two are the ones most commonly recognized as the more recent and most successful of those who push the state-over-citizen philosophy.  ...But we may have a new super-salesman coming on.
   The whole philosophical idea is of course, much older of either of them...the idea has been kicking aound since ancient times but not truly taken seriously on a large scale.
  Many consider the ideas of Hegel and Marx to be just a rehash of Plato's "Republic". Both they and Obama apparently have a very different view of just what is meant by "republic", than do most Americans.
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2009, 02:08:12 AM »
Williamlayton, here is one time I'll have to disagree with you. I think he knows exactly what he's doing. He's pushing hard and fast for a socialist change. Here is where I believe he doesn't have a clue. I don't think he realize's just how bad it's going to get. Kinda like the stupid kid in a video that jumps his skateboard up on a handrail and lands on his crotch. Except this video will end like the motorcycle jumper that missed his landing ramp. gypsyman
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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2009, 12:24:26 PM »
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I don't think he realize's just how bad it's going to get. Kinda like the stupid kid in a video that jumps his skateboard up on a handrail and lands on his crotch. Except this video will end like the motorcycle jumper that missed his landing ramp.

That may be the best analogy I have heard concerning obama and his agenda!

Friends read about where he comes from, he's a leftist pure and simple! He dont give a rats ass where we end up if he can gain power and promote his agenda!
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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2009, 02:00:23 PM »
with glenn beck exposing the people that surround him as outright communist, or those that "look to" Mao for inspiration. to those that make no beans about their strong socialist beliefs. there is no doubt about his agenda nor his view of America and the freedoms that were given to all of us with its founding.

I am certain that he and all in his administration are out to totaly make this nation just another communist or maybe just strong socialist partner with those he admires such as chaves castro and any other leftist on the planet.

no he has plainly told us and now he is clearly showing us what his agenda is. he and those that support him are not going to stop. they will press on with all their might. REMEMBER THEY WANT CHANGE NOW! CHANGE NOW is their mantra and they mean it. if they fail before the next elections they are toast and they know it. that is the danger we must slow them we must stop them in their tracks. these are dangerous times for all of us. the stakes are very high. the people are awakening hopefully enough will get it before it is too late to stop them.

Now is the time for the freedom loving patriots to stand up and speak out at every opportunity and expose this man for what he is and what he stands for. If it becomes neccessary we must be willing to take to the streets and defend what we have been blessed with. I will.

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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2009, 02:19:14 PM »
He told us countless times when he was campaigning he was "going to spread the wealth around" and the fools elected him anyway! Nothing he is doing should come as a surprise, he warned everyone what his agenda is. He is not a fool by any means, he is the most dangerous "leader" America has ever had! For someone to come out of the cesspool of chicago politics smelling like a rose to be elected president is a testimony to his cunning. The bumbling idiot obviously is the VP's job.

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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2009, 02:22:28 AM »
I'll save the jump from page to page:
   

 


Strategy for forcing political change through orchestrated crisis


First proposed in 1966 and named after Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, the "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

Inspired by the August 1965 riots in the black district of Watts in Los Angeles (which erupted after police had used batons to subdue a black man suspected of drunk driving), Cloward and Piven published an article titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty" in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation. Following its publication, The Nation sold an unprecedented 30,000 reprints. Activists were abuzz over the so-called "crisis strategy" or "Cloward-Piven Strategy," as it came to be called. Many were eager to put it into effect.

In their 1966 article, Cloward and Piven charged that the ruling classes used welfare to weaken the poor; that by providing a social safety net, the rich doused the fires of rebellion. Poor people can advance only when "the rest of society is afraid of them," Cloward told The New York Times on September 27, 1970. Rather than placating the poor with government hand-outs, wrote Cloward and Piven, activists should work to sabotage and destroy the welfare system; the collapse of the welfare state would ignite a political and financial crisis that would rock the nation; poor people would rise in revolt; only then would "the rest of society" accept their demands.

The key to sparking this rebellion would be to expose the inadequacy of the welfare state. Cloward-Piven's early promoters cited radical organizer Saul Alinsky as their inspiration. "Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules," Alinsky wrote in his 1972 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judaeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one.

The authors noted that the number of Americans subsisting on welfare -- about 8 million, at the time -- probably represented less than half the number who were technically eligible for full benefits. They proposed a "massive drive to recruit the poor onto the welfare rolls."  Cloward and Piven calculated that persuading even a fraction of potential welfare recipients to demand their entitlements would bankrupt the system. The result, they predicted, would be "a profound financial and political crisis" that would unleash "powerful forces … for major economic reform at the national level."

Their article called for "cadres of aggressive organizers" to use "demonstrations to create a climate of militancy." Intimidated by threats of black violence, politicians would appeal to the federal government for help. Carefully orchestrated media campaigns, carried out by friendly, leftwing journalists, would float the idea of "a federal program of income redistribution," in the form of a guaranteed living income for all -- working and non-working people alike. Local officials would clutch at this idea like drowning men to a lifeline. They would apply pressure on Washington to implement it. With every major city erupting into chaos, Washington would have to act.

This was an example of what are commonly called Trojan Horse movements -- mass movements whose outward purpose seems to be providing material help to the downtrodden, but whose real objective is to draft poor people into service as revolutionary foot soldiers; to mobilize poor people en masse to overwhelm government agencies with a flood of demands beyond the capacity of those agencies to meet. The flood of demands was calculated to break the budget, jam the bureaucratic gears into gridlock, and bring the system crashing down. Fear, turmoil, violence and economic collapse would accompany such a breakdown -- providing perfect conditions for fostering radical change. That was the theory.

Cloward and Piven recruited a militant black organizer named George Wiley to lead their new movement. In the summer of 1967, Wiley founded the National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO). His tactics closely followed the recommendations set out in Cloward and Piven's article. His followers invaded welfare offices across the United States -- often violently -- bullying social workers and loudly demanding every penny to which the law "entitled" them. By 1969, NWRO claimed a dues-paying membership of 22,500 families, with 523 chapters across the nation.

Regarding Wiley's tactics, The New York Times commented on September 27, 1970, "There have been sit-ins in legislative chambers, including a United States Senate committee hearing, mass demonstrations of several thousand welfare recipients, school boycotts, picket lines, mounted police, tear gas, arrests - and, on occasion, rock-throwing, smashed glass doors, overturned desks, scattered papers and ripped-out phones."These methods proved effective. "The flooding succeeded beyond Wiley's wildest dreams," writes Sol Stern in the City Journal.  "From 1965 to 1974, the number of single-parent households on welfare soared from 4.3 million to 10.8 million, despite mostly flush economic times. By the early 1970s, one person was on the welfare rolls in New York City for every two working in the city's private economy."As a direct result of its massive welfare spending, New York City was forced to declare bankruptcy in 1975. The entire state of New York nearly went down with it. The Cloward-Piven strategy had proved its effectiveness.

The Cloward-Piven strategy depended on surprise. Once society recovered from the initial shock, the backlash began. New York's welfare crisis horrified America, giving rise to a reform movement which culminated in "the end of welfare as we know it" -- the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which imposed time limits on federal welfare, along with strict eligibility and work requirements. Both Cloward and Piven attended the White House signing of the bill as guests of President Clinton.

Most Americans to this day have never heard of Cloward and Piven. But New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani attempted to expose them in the late 1990s. As his drive for welfare reform gained momentum, Giuliani accused the militant scholars by name, citing their 1966 manifesto as evidence that they had engaged in deliberate economic sabotage. "This wasn't an accident," Giuliani charged in a 1997 speech. "It wasn't an atmospheric thing, it wasn't supernatural. This is the result of policies and programs designed to have the maximum number of people get on welfare."

Cloward and Piven never again revealed their intentions as candidly as they had in their 1966 article. Even so, their activism in subsequent years continued to rely on the tactic of overloading the system. When the public caught on to their welfare scheme, Cloward and Piven simply moved on, applying pressure to other sectors of the bureaucracy, wherever they detected weakness.

In 1982, partisans of the Cloward-Piven strategy founded a new "voting rights movement," which purported to take up the unfinished work of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Like ACORN, the organization that spear-headed this campaign, the new "voting rights" movement was led by veterans of George Wiley's welfare rights crusade. Its flagship organizations were Project Vote and Human SERVE, both founded in 1982. Project Vote is an ACORN front group, launched by former NWRO organizer and ACORN co-founder Zach Polett. Human SERVE was founded by Richard A. Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, along with a former NWRO organizer named Hulbert James.

All three of these organizations -- ACORN, Project Vote and Human SERVE -- set to work lobbying energetically for the so-called Motor-Voter law, which Bill Clinton ultimately signed in 1993. The Motor-Voter bill is largely responsible for swamping the voter rolls with "dead  wood" -- invalid registrations signed in the name of deceased, ineligible or non-existent people -- thus opening the door to the unprecedented  levels of voter fraud and "voter disenfranchisement" claims that followed in subsequent elections.

The new "voting rights" coalition combines mass voter registration drives -- typically featuring high levels of fraud -- with systematic intimidation of election officials in the form of frivolous lawsuits, unfounded charges of "racism" and "disenfranchisement," and "direct action" (street protests, violent or otherwise). Just as they swamped America's welfare offices in the 1960s, Cloward-Piven devotees now seek to overwhelm the nation's understaffed and poorly policed electoral system. Their tactics set the stage for the Florida recount crisis of 2000, and have introduced a level of fear, tension and foreboding to U.S. elections heretofore encountered mainly in Third World countries. 

Both the Living Wage and Voting Rights movements depend heavily on financial support from George Soros's Open Society Institute and his "Shadow Party," through whose support the Cloward-Piven strategy continues to provide a blueprint for some of the Left's most ambitious campaigns
 
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Re: They are right on schedule..
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2009, 02:53:13 AM »
He told us countless times when he was campaigning he was "going to spread the wealth around" and the fools elected him anyway! Nothing he is doing should come as a surprise, he warned everyone what his agenda is. He is not a fool by any means, he is the most dangerous "leader" America has ever had! For someone to come out of the cesspool of chicago politics smelling like a rose to be elected president is a testimony to his cunning. The bumbling idiot obviously is the VP's job.

You just drove the nail home with one stroke.
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