Author Topic: C'mon, that would never happen in America! (Read 1901 times)

DDZ · « **Reply #30 on:** October 18, 2009, 03:11:34 AM »

Quote from: Elijah Gunn on October 17, 2009, 12:40:17 PM

No vote is a wasted vote. I'm done with the lessor of two evils. As a christian I think that who ,and what you voted for is something that we will probably be asked to account for on judgement day.

Elijah, I agree, but how did Obama carry something like 54 percent of the Catholic vote? I think if a person is a true Christian they put all other issues aside and vote for a candidate that is against killing unborn children. I'm sure a large part of the 54 percent Catholics that decided to vote for Obama consider themselves Christians. I would not want that blood on my hands!

Its funny how people change colors when they think they can dip their hands into the tax payers pockets, by voting for someone that says they will be the giver of everything.

Arier Blut · « **Reply #31 on:** October 18, 2009, 04:06:55 AM »

Dee, often the 3rd party candidates are just a dem or rep in sheep's clothing. The only one to ever do marginally well was George Wallace (Dem) with 45 electoral votes. As long as there is an electoral college there will most likely not be a 3rd party candidate as president. The major parties spend a whole lot of money lining pockets. Someone that doesn't have the wealth to grease the wheels is out of luck. Currently there are two senators who ran 3rd party both are dems. One is McCain's buddy(should be a dem) Lieberman. Local elections may put a 3rd party guy in there. But on the national level there is to much money lining pockets for the honest fellow you are looking for to have a chance. In this respect the 3rd party only steals votes from the other two and makes the worse of the two evils gain office.

I am in agreement with your views. Sadly I don't believe you or I will ever see it come to pass. What we will see will most likely be a further spiral away from the Constitution. Probably even a nation reminiscent of 1930's Germany before we leave this world.

magooch · « **Reply #32 on:** October 18, 2009, 04:49:39 AM »

Who is to say who is the lessor of two, three, four, or whatever number of evils? Just because someone is not from one of the two large parties doesn't magically make them a savior.

I'd vote for a third-party, or no-party candidate in a minute if I thought they made sense and if I actually trusted that they would, or could do any of what they said. The problem is that, like it, or not our politics are pretty firmly based on a two party system for all practical purposes. Where part of the problem lies is with the primary system, where some very good candidates are eliminated before they ever get off the ground. I think if all the primaries were held on the same day it would change the dynamics a little and relative newcomers might at least have a fighting chance against those who have large war-chests.

The idea of voting out the incumbents to get change is a very wrong-headed notion, because you can bet that the Dumbycrats aren't going to do that. So it would be an excercise that would guarantee continued Dumbycrat (communist) control.

For 2010, the best we can hope for is that enough people realize how badly we are in the ditch and headed for a concrete abutment and we'd dang well better figure out some way to change direction.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #33 on:** October 18, 2009, 05:53:58 AM »

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I'd vote for a third-party, or no-party candidate in a minute if I thought they made sense and if I actually trusted that they would, or could do any of what they said.

That's the way a lot of us feel.
Maybe we will get lucky and someone who fits that criteria will be offered up in 2010.

LONGTOM

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 18, 2009, 07:39:38 AM »

lets see ..who has name recognition ,,definitly pro gun ,,dang pretty..
likes good alaskan game on the supper table..
the trick would be to get her on an independent ticket without aleinating
conservatives of both parties..
then theres possibilities she could pull it off ...if she chose to mess her life up
for our sakes..right now she s done the smart thing ,,in looking after her own family..
just depends on how devoted she is to freedom.. what about it mrs. palin ...have you grown into your potential yet...slim

Dee · « **Reply #35 on:** October 18, 2009, 08:00:09 AM »

Quote from: Arier Blut on October 18, 2009, 04:06:55 AM

Dee, often the 3rd party candidates are just a dem or rep in sheep's clothing. The only one to ever do marginally well was George Wallace (Dem) with 45 electoral votes. As long as there is an electoral college there will most likely not be a 3rd party candidate as president. The major parties spend a whole lot of money lining pockets. Someone that doesn't have the wealth to grease the wheels is out of luck. Currently there are two senators who ran 3rd party both are dems. One is McCain's buddy(should be a dem) Lieberman. Local elections may put a 3rd party guy in there. But on the national level there is to much money lining pockets for the honest fellow you are looking for to have a chance. In this respect the 3rd party only steals votes from the other two and makes the worse of the two evils gain office.

I am in agreement with your views. Sadly I don't believe you or I will ever see it come to pass. What we will see will most likely be a further spiral away from the Constitution. Probably even a nation reminiscent of 1930's Germany before we leave this world.

I have long promoted the idea of actually INVESTIGATING THE CANDIDATE, to see what his prior to election stances, and if possible voting record was or is. I know it's quite a concept, but it certainly clears up a lot of mysteries, and quells a lot of unwanted surprises. I agree that many independents are not what they say they are, but that is part of the American's duty to get off their butts, quit being lazy, and INSPECT THE CANDIDATE. I also agree with you, that we as a nation are in decline, and we will not begin an upward climb until we have reached the bottom. I also believe the bottom will be reached in a suddenly, and surprising sort of way, to most Americans.
When folks are truly hungry, shelter less, and no longer have the promise of government aid, then we will separate the wheat from the tares, and not until.

Dee · « **Reply #36 on:** October 18, 2009, 08:02:36 AM »

Quote from: williamlayton on October 18, 2009, 02:19:04 AM

GB and Dee
He caused dissention and it not only drew the party apart it created a rift that drove many to another party and even to not vote.
The Good Dr. has a history of dissention--look at it. The only place around here he has any support is in that little district of his. he cannot run for the Senate because he does not have enough support in the party or the state.
Would the republicans have won---NO---wheather or not there was no dissention.
He can only tell you what is wrong.
Good honerable Christian---maybe a prophet---not a good administrator.

GB
Of course I am capable of independent thought. That is why you and I dsagree sometimes. What was meant by that question?
Blessings

Other than the correct spelling of my name (Dee) there is nothing you have said here that I agree with, and it seems void of any actual circumstance to lend any credence to your synopsis of the man.

williamlayton · « **Reply #37 on:** October 18, 2009, 11:01:56 AM »

Well the said can be said about your post. It lacks any study and reasoning. Just. I have made up my mind an all others are wrong--eyes rolling to the back of your head.
So we are on different sides of the fence---nothing wrong with that if you leave off the snide and childish remarks.
You must remember that I live down here and read more about him from different sources than you.
Blessings

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 18, 2009, 11:30:12 AM »

Just what is the solution? TO NOT VOTE? that is stupid...VOTE FOR THE LESSOR OF TWO EVILS? if that is the only option before you that is about all you can do. at least you my slow something down. not voting simply allows one or the other to win without any meaningful challenge.

THIRD PARTY......THIRD PARTY....you can scream it to the heavens yet if it is not on the ballot it is meaningless.

What if the THIRD PARTY offers a person just like the rest, a blend of the two? What then? thats still doing the LESSOR OF THE THREEE EVILS!

FIRST YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MAN OR WOMAN With thye interest of the nation at heart not corporations nor unions. WELL DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH! Why do you think candidates on all levels spend ungodly sums (theirs and ours)of money to win an election? PUBLIC SERVICE...TO HELP THE POOR FOLK! give me a break....most on both sides pick up millions of dollars for themselves from kickbacks...shady deals...and the right vote placed at the right time for the right corporation or union or whataever.

heck look at rangel and many others on both sides all worth millions of dollars on a job thay pays nothing to support his or her lifestyle, much less leave any room for saving or investments. so just how did they get it? was it because they werer sooooo intelligent that they made real smart investments? if you believe that......I gotta bridge i want to sell you.

FIRST THE RULES NEED TO CHANGE PERIOD! yet they will never be changed because both parties in the system have too much to lose if they are. like anything once the people in office learn how to manipulate the system to their favor they will use it to prevent any competition. they will live with the idea that they only have to beat one other challenger so that makes it simpler.

SECOND FIND AN HONEST MAN OR WOMAN THAT LOVES THIS COUNTRY MORE THAN THEMSELVES. ONE THAT WILL LOOK TO SERVE THE INTEREST OF THE NATION AND ITS PEOPLE FIRST......ANY SUGGGESTIONS?

and then that does nothing to change the sewer system we call congress.....NOT EASILY DONE IS IT!

williamlayton · « **Reply #39 on:** October 18, 2009, 11:50:11 AM »

The lesser of two evils is a ruse. You vote for the one who you think will do the best job.
Is the glass half full or half empty?
Blessings

Graybeard · « **Reply #40 on:** October 18, 2009, 12:16:19 PM »

At the national level and especially so for the office of President and to an only slightly lesser extent for Senate a third party candidate has not a snowball’s chance in hell of winning for now.

The ONLY way that can change is for some one or at most two additional parties to begin at the local level and get on the ballot there in ALL or at least darn near all of the states. When and ONLY WHEN they win and take a decent percentage of offices at the local level and move successfully then to take state level jobs can they be considered a serious candidate at the national level.

What must happen is folks to get behind some such party or parties and vote them in for all local offices even if they are no better than what’s already in place. That establishes the party as viable at the state level. Get that one or two parties viable at state level in 35 or more states and to be viable I mean they must hold a significant percentage of house and senate seats in the state legislatures and some governorships.

As a rule Presidents come from either a senate seat in the US Congress or a governor seat of a fairly large state. Yeah they can come from elsewhere but darn seldom are gonna. So until you have folks from those new parties holding those two offices as well as house seats in the US Congress they are NOT gonna win no matter how badly we want them to.

The sad fact of life is that the majority of folks voting do not have a clue what the folks they vote for stand for nor do they care. The ONLY thing they care about is the promises made and how many times they see their name and face in front of them. I’ve noticed locally almost without exception that whoever has the most road side signs out on major highways wins. It should not be so but damn it folks it is. There is a HUGE voting block of folks who are totally ignorant of politics and vote for who ever the union tells them to, whoever the state teachers association tells them to or whoever promises the most handouts to freeloaders.

You are not gonna change that at the polling place either and you cannot elect a person not from one of the two big parties to a Presidency or even senate seat until that changes in a big way first at local and state level. It will take years perhaps generations to turn it around. Until then the fact is you are gonna have either a dumocrap or a republican and that’s what we have to live with. Sure if ya makes ya happy vote that third or fourth party candidate for any and all offices ya want to. I really do understand the desire and hope behind that but it’s not realistic in my personal view. When the fact is one or the other is gonna win all you can do is try to help decide which. Call it lesser or two evils if ya want as quite honestly it often is that and little more. I prefer to call it voting for the better viable choice to avoid the worst viable choice from winning.

A third party candidate gave us Bill Klinton TWICE. He was as strong and viable as third party candidates get at that level for now really but all he did was put in a horrible choice over a somewhat better choice. Neither was great but there was a difference. No the republicans are NOT on our side. They long ago went to work for the same cabal of super rich folks that the dumocraps work for but there is a difference even if it’s only slight. The republicans have permission from their bosses to move more slowly when they are in office and the dumocraps are full speed ahead and damn the public when they are in office. Sure it’s a matter not of quality so much as quantity but it’s a difference and until such time as we can get a viable third and/or fourth party established locally and then at state level all over the country it’s the best and ONLY differences we’re gonna get.

I don’t like it, in fact I hate it but I am a realist not a dreamer. It is what it is and it’s not gonna be changed top down but only from the bottom up. So get busy at the local and state levels and build that party from the ground level and then when it’s viable at national level we can all get behind them and kick the bums out. Until them no amount of talk here or voting at the polls by the few who really give a damn is gonna change anything.

I wish it were not so.

Dee · « **Reply #41 on:** October 18, 2009, 12:16:53 PM »

Quote from: williamlayton on October 18, 2009, 11:01:56 AM

Well the said can be said about your post. It lacks any study and reasoning. Just. I have made up my mind an all others are wrong--eyes rolling to the back of your head.
So we are on different sides of the fence---nothing wrong with that if you leave off the snide and childish remarks.
You must remember that I live down here and read more about him from different sources than you.
Blessings

Oh I remember where you live, but I also know what I read, and listen to are totally different many times in what you believe and say. Snide and childish remarks? Come on William in another thread YOU ARE THE ONE that unprovoked told everyone they could not see the forest for the trees.
I know what I see and what I read, in regards to voting records, and interviews. You my all knowing hypocritical friend are the one whom needs to educate yourself, and practice what you preach in regards to communicating manners.

williamlayton · « **Reply #42 on:** October 18, 2009, 12:55:42 PM »

Well Dee when you have nothing to add you just shovel more dung.
I don't think your post exhibit any study other than biased thinking.
I have said the same thing about the DR. from day one.
That was only a slam to small minded individuals. That one remark was a caution to step back and look.

Blessings

Dee · « **Reply #43 on:** October 18, 2009, 01:43:25 PM »

Quote from: williamlayton on October 18, 2009, 12:55:42 PM

Well Dee when you have nothing to add you just shovel more dung.
I don't think your post exhibit any study other than biased thinking.
I have said the same thing about the DR. from day one.
That was only a slam to small minded individuals. That one remark was a caution to step back and look.
Blessings

Your the one with shovel partner. Now I am done with this and you.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 18, 2009, 02:41:51 PM »

I agree there is a rift in the republican party, the rift is needed. The Republicans have been sliding further and further left every elction. Either they need to become conservative or they need to go!

Neither party wants to acomplish anything, if they fix a problem what will they run on the next election? I can see no way that our Republic can survive with the current choices in Government. Elections are not going to fix it, the only fix will be revolution or sucession.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #45 on:** October 18, 2009, 05:35:20 PM »

ok its 2010

we have established the Grey Beard Party

we have gotten Mr. Beard elected to congress

he beat out the incumbent Republican

for years he will be ignored by the other 4?? congressmen

his district will see most all federal funds dry up and experience 15% un-employment

then he will loose his bid for re-election

another Republicrat will then get his seat

then like the reform party we will just fade away

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #46 on:** October 18, 2009, 07:12:33 PM »

45-70 your on target...that is how it really works. the man may have been an honorable one it really meant what he campained on. yet reality will come soon after he takes office. PLAY BALL OR DIE ON THE VINE!

...just another comment....how many people do you know and how many are on the board that have the "ONE THING" that they just will not accept from a candidate no matter if he is in line with all of their other beliefs?

be it abortion..one of the hottest issues....or immigration..perhaps their views on states rights vs the federal rights.

no matter who runs from whatever party a candidate will never match the views of a majority, even a small minority, of the people 100 percent. heck i doubt you could find two people on this board that will agree on 100% of the issuses.

they way i look at it i would vote and could vote for a man that i believed would be for the country i love even if say he believed in abortion. i certainly do not, but we are all individuals, we do not have to hold all of the same views. i have many personal friends that strongly even vehemetly oppose some of my views but we are still friends.
yet when it comes to voting people have denied many a good man office just because of one issue and when they did they let the other take the office and it was obvious to all that he was a crook. then that man with the one view that matched the voters view corrupted the system did nothing for anyone but himself.

ironglow · « **Reply #47 on:** October 19, 2009, 12:11:50 AM »

Many here think that Sarah Palin is an honest person and Gov Huckabee rates high.
A question for only those who have some respect for these two;
If they both maintain their integrity and do not sell out to a "party"..will you vote for them if they ran on an Independant, Republican, Libertarian or Patriot party label ? Could they bring the Libertarians to a "Values" understanding or the Republicans to their conservative roots ? .....Or is the field on the right fighting with itself ?

beerbelly · « **Reply #48 on:** October 19, 2009, 01:01:42 AM »

I would not vote for Huckabee no matter what party he runs as. He has lately been pretending to be the big time conservative. He is not! On most things he came down far to the left of my thinking. He is a member of the club of what is wrong with the republican party.
Beerbelly

Arier Blut · « **Reply #49 on:** October 19, 2009, 02:52:55 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on October 18, 2009, 02:41:51 PM

I agree there is a rift in the republican party, the rift is needed. The Republicans have been sliding further and further left every elction. Either they need to become conservative or they need to go!

Neither party wants to acomplish anything, if they fix a problem what will they run on the next election? I can see no way that our Republic can survive with the current choices in Government. Elections are not going to fix it, the only fix will be revolution or sucession.

Billy I have to agree with you. With John McCain for instance. His voting record showed him for his true colors as a gun grabbing liberal and illegal alien sympathizer. They liked to use the term maverick. Funny thing Republicans didn't fall for that word, they knew what he was. So in turn they didn't go vote and we got a true liberal, instead of one that jumped back and forth when he saw fit. I believe conservative America's disdain for what the republican party has become won Osama the election.

Graybeard · « **Reply #50 on:** October 19, 2009, 03:47:09 AM »

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his district will see most all federal funds dry up and experience 15% un-employment

Actually I think that's about where it is in this district right now.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #51 on:** October 19, 2009, 05:01:25 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on October 19, 2009, 03:47:09 AM

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his district will see most all federal funds dry up and experience 15% un-employment
Actually I think that's about where it is in this district right now.

this was not an attack on you
rather an example of how a fine man would be rendered useless

i am a one issue voter basically
the right to keep and bear arms
between that and free speach.........nothing else will stand
FREEDOM WILL BE LOST

will i vote for a pro-gun man that stands with gun grabbing democrats.......NO
will i vote for a gun grabbing mcain type that stands with the party most likely to defend gun rights

yes but it sickens me.....but voting third party will tell the republicans not to stray

Heavy C · « **Reply #52 on:** October 20, 2009, 07:40:58 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on October 19, 2009, 12:11:50 AM

Many here think that Sarah Palin is an honest person and Gov Huckabee rates high.
A question for only those who have some respect for these two;
If they both maintain their integrity and do not sell out to a "party"..will you vote for them if they ran on an Independant, Republican, Libertarian or Patriot party label ? Could they bring the Libertarians to a "Values" understanding or the Republicans to their conservative roots ? .....Or is the field on the right fighting with itself ?

The answer is yes. In fact, I predict Palin will dump the Republican party. In my opinion, they have thrown her under the bus. Dee, GB and others have raised good points. What I see as a challenge is getting Americans to see beyond the two party system.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #53 on:** October 20, 2009, 09:02:16 AM »

the challenge is getting enough voters who are not consumed with getting Govt. hand outs to get off their butts and vote . Those on wealfare and other handouts vote to keep the free stuff rolling in . Those running have leverage with these people . Those of us working PAYING FOR THE FREE RIDE need to vote in numbers and for canidates that can't/won't ignore us .

Casull · « **Reply #54 on:** October 20, 2009, 09:04:58 AM »

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At the national level and especially so for the office of President and to an only slightly lesser extent for Senate a third party candidate has not a snowball’s chance in hell of winning for now.

The ONLY way that can change is for some one or at most two additional parties to begin at the local level and get on the ballot there in ALL or at least darn near all of the states. When and ONLY WHEN they win and take a decent percentage of offices at the local level and move successfully then to take state level jobs can they be considered a serious candidate at the national level.

What must happen is folks to get behind some such party or parties and vote them in for all local offices even if they are no better than what’s already in place. That establishes the party as viable at the state level. Get that one or two parties viable at state level in 35 or more states and to be viable I mean they must hold a significant percentage of house and senate seats in the state legislatures and some governorships.

As a rule Presidents come from either a senate seat in the US Congress or a governor seat of a fairly large state. Yeah they can come from elsewhere but darn seldom are gonna. So until you have folks from those new parties holding those two offices as well as house seats in the US Congress they are NOT gonna win no matter how badly we want them to.

The sad fact of life is that the majority of folks voting do not have a clue what the folks they vote for stand for nor do they care. The ONLY thing they care about is the promises made and how many times they see their name and face in front of them. I’ve noticed locally almost without exception that whoever has the most road side signs out on major highways wins. It should not be so but damn it folks it is. There is a HUGE voting block of folks who are totally ignorant of politics and vote for who ever the union tells them to, whoever the state teachers association tells them to or whoever promises the most handouts to freeloaders.

You are not gonna change that at the polling place either and you cannot elect a person not from one of the two big parties to a Presidency or even senate seat until that changes in a big way first at local and state level. It will take years perhaps generations to turn it around. Until then the fact is you are gonna have either a dumocrap or a republican and that’s what we have to live with. Sure if ya makes ya happy vote that third or fourth party candidate for any and all offices ya want to. I really do understand the desire and hope behind that but it’s not realistic in my personal view. When the fact is one or the other is gonna win all you can do is try to help decide which. Call it lesser or two evils if ya want as quite honestly it often is that and little more. I prefer to call it voting for the better viable choice to avoid the worst viable choice from winning.

A third party candidate gave us Bill Klinton TWICE. He was as strong and viable as third party candidates get at that level for now really but all he did was put in a horrible choice over a somewhat better choice. Neither was great but there was a difference. No the republicans are NOT on our side. They long ago went to work for the same cabal of super rich folks that the dumocraps work for but there is a difference even if it’s only slight. The republicans have permission from their bosses to move more slowly when they are in office and the dumocraps are full speed ahead and damn the public when they are in office. Sure it’s a matter not of quality so much as quantity but it’s a difference and until such time as we can get a viable third and/or fourth party established locally and then at state level all over the country it’s the best and ONLY differences we’re gonna get.

I don’t like it, in fact I hate it but I am a realist not a dreamer. It is what it is and it’s not gonna be changed top down but only from the bottom up. So get busy at the local and state levels and build that party from the ground level and then when it’s viable at national level we can all get behind them and kick the bums out. Until them no amount of talk here or voting at the polls by the few who really give a damn is gonna change anything.

I wish it were not so.

GB, that is one of the best posts I have read in some time. YES, there is a difference between the Republicans and the democrats. No, it's not as big a difference as I would like, but still a difference. What really makes me laugh are the couple of posters here who constantly demonize the Republicans as a "lesser of two evils", but strongly supported RP. Guess what, RP is a Republican. So, apparently all Republicans are not the "lesser of two evils". AND, if the voters thought like they did, RP would have been the Republican nominee. John McCain was my LAST choice (on the Republican side), which means that he still was my first choice over the democrat nominee. Apparently, much of the problem rests with the voters of this Country. But, idiots have as much right to vote as anyone else (despite my beliefs on the subject).

williamlayton · « **Reply #55 on:** October 20, 2009, 09:27:29 AM »

RP is a Libertarian.
Now, I have no problem with Libertarians---they go as much to the Left on some ideals as the Democrats. For the mainstream they are very Republic minded and that name would be a better calling card than libertarian.
Unless there is a very strong and swift change in American politics a third party is going to split the other party it is breaking from.
Now, this might be a better possibility with the House and Senate. It is my very strong opinion that this is where the American people have lost their idenity or who they have lost their idenity too.
RP would be in good stead if we could find others with so much of the backbone as him. It is not uncommon for independents to be elected. That said they must be like minded.
What might work better is for there to be a split in the Democrats----they show some signs but are still bound to power basis' in the DP.
The House and the Senate are the seats of power that need to be overturned.
Blessings

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #56 on:** October 20, 2009, 09:56:21 AM »

There is little wonder they are almost the same . A third party to win would also have to look like them . Why ? because people get elected by middle votes and politicians have to appeal to that crowd to get anywhere . RP is way right of center in his thinking and lets people know where he stands . The hallmark of a good runner today is the voter does not know what his or her plan is for America . I base this on the fact that many who voted for BHO are now saying they did not know what he would do when in fact all they had to do was look back at his past . But no they listened to speeches and TV and Radio adds .
The democrats have getting a left winger in down pat . The republicans can't quite get a hold on getting a Right wing man/woman in .
A 3rd party vote would show discontent by many voters but in reality would hand victory to the demo's . The election is a few years off would it not be wise to register to vote rep. and help pick a canidate befor the election ?
I guess we can do something positive like GB said about building a party but while party building is going on we could change the rep party by flooding in new voters in primary elections , maybe by bring in new blood all the way from bottom to top .
just an idea .

Dee · « **Reply #57 on:** October 20, 2009, 09:57:30 AM »

For those not familiar with Ron Paul, he IS A REGISTER REPUBLICAN, elected to the Congress AS A REPUBLICAN. He may have some Libertarian views (we all should), but he has in no way split the party, OR FROM THE PARTY. He has VOTED 100% OF THE TIME "FOR" THE CONSTITUTION, and VOTED 100% OF THE TIME "FOR" THE BILL OF RIGHTS. CHECK HIS VOTING RECORD FOR "YOURSELF".
He is a conservative IN THE TRUEST SENSE, (CHEC HIS VOTING RECORD) and ran in the REPUBICAN PRIMARY as a REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT. WHEN HE LOST THE PRIMARY HE DROPPED OUT, AND SUPPORTED THE CANDIDATE, AS MUCH AS HE COULD BE SUPPORTED GIVEN MCCAIN'S LIBERAL VIEWS.
THESE ARE "HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED FACTS" RATHER THAN SOME ONE'S DEMENTED RAMBLING OPINIONS.

williamlayton · « **Reply #58 on:** October 20, 2009, 11:46:55 AM »

RP Has often identified himself with the Libertarian party in interviews. True he is a rgistered Republican---many Registered Republicans are really democrats.
Demented?? You are so mistaken---as usual.
Blessings

Dee · « **Reply #59 on:** October 20, 2009, 01:34:30 PM »

Quote from: williamlayton on October 20, 2009, 11:46:55 AM

RP Has often identified himself with the Libertarian party in interviews. True he is a rgistered Republican---many Registered Republicans are really democrats.
Demented?? You are so mistaken---as usual.
Blessings

Your right this time. I was mistaken. You are not Demented. Your odd in your undocumented surmisings. You never furnish proof of your "surmisings", only william/layton goofiness; in your imagined opinons of folks you have never sat down with, or read.
You know less about Ron Paul than you know about the moon.