Author Topic: 257 weatherby elk(pics)*****HE IS ON THE WALL (Read 4875 times)

fatercat · « **on:** October 21, 2009, 04:12:26 AM »

here are some pics. yes New Mexico, yes 257 weatherby, 120 gn. nosler partiton, 7828 powder @ 3300 fps. shot 3 times, missed once. shot through hips was complete pass through as was the killing shot through chest. around 300 yds. scored 333,6X6-------will someone tell me how to post pics. got it

dukkillr · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2009, 06:59:48 AM »

Come on, hit us with more details than that. Where in the state? What unit? How hard to draw the tag? Guided or DIY? Good bull, but what's the story?

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2009, 02:30:22 PM »

Sorry, everyone knows a .257" isn't enough for elk. What did you REALLY use?

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2009, 02:38:24 PM »

Very nice 6X6 bull. Looks like yer not having any fun.

DP

Graybeard · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2009, 06:04:19 PM »

Uh, why did ya shoot him in the butt?

fatercat · « **Reply #5 on:** October 22, 2009, 02:14:48 AM »

graybeard, in bad shooting spot. lucky i hit him at all. as you can see i am a old fat man. thats why i use the weatherby. saves alot of stepts. he was with cows so i had to take the shot when clear.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #6 on:** October 22, 2009, 02:22:33 AM »

Wow! Great bull.

Cheese

Silvertp · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2009, 07:03:50 PM »

Nice bull fatercat. Takes a lot of animal to stop a nosler partition. Personally on an uninjured bull I don't consider the hindquarters a target.

Silvertp

Cheesehead · « **Reply #8 on:** October 24, 2009, 03:19:27 AM »

How did you get that big bull out of there?

Cheese

fatercat · « **Reply #9 on:** October 24, 2009, 07:14:07 AM »

hay guys, i did'nt put this up to get a hunting lesson. you shoot yours where you want to. if you don't know how effective the spine, or the base of the tail shot is you need the lesson. second shot is needed to kill quick, but with the big blood viens he will bleed outalmost as quick as a lung shot.

dukkillr · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2009, 02:28:54 PM »

Check your pm fatercat.

saltydog · « **Reply #11 on:** October 31, 2009, 03:06:38 PM »

Nice Elk - congrats

Tonk · « **Reply #12 on:** December 10, 2009, 07:39:55 AM »

Fatercat.......Ain't noting wrong with a good Texas Heart shot! I have done so many times keeping a trophy bull from running off into the dark timber. The shot works regarless of what some may think or believe. Many a big Dagga Boy has been hit in the old whazoo!

Congrats on the bull and I know that 120 grn Nosler Partition will do the job in the 1/4 bore. I been down that road myself but only once. Now were all 3 of you sprouts shooting at the same bull?

fatercat · « **Reply #13 on:** December 11, 2009, 03:15:10 AM »

thanks Tonk, when you pay big bucks on elk hunt you better know how to kill from any angle. most people think a rear shot is a gut shot. it is not!! you have to break the spine. aim at base of tail. i have killed two elk within 5 miles of each outher. the first was 22 years ago. he scored 379. he was a heard bull and was topping out on a ridge. i had but one shot at him or he was gone forever. same shot and he was down for the count.

Silvertp · « **Reply #14 on:** December 11, 2009, 04:40:14 AM »

Fattercat...looks like you and Tonk may be onto something. Perhaps you could book a hunt together and go around shooting critters in the hindquarters. Maybe even do a video of it for folks like me that think the hindquarters is at best a desperate shot to kill something. I guess if you are going for the total inches of horn the loss of meat is inconsequential.

Silvertp

Graybeard · « **Reply #15 on:** December 11, 2009, 12:27:05 PM »

I have to admit that shooting a critter in the ass to slow it down enough for a proper killing shot does not meet my personal definition of hunting ethics for me. That's not to say I'd never ever under any circumstances do it but I can't think of a set of circumstances that would cause me to do so.

It doesn't seem appropriate or right to me but that's my personal ethics and each person must make such decisions for themselves. I will say that I'd not go around telling folks I did it regardless. I guess hunting means different things to different folks. For me personally that isn't hunting if it is for you and if it meets your personal ethics code I won't condemn you for it. But I won't congratulate you for it either.

fatercat · « **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2009, 02:46:45 AM »

weather you condem or congrat makes no matter to me. the shot is not to "slow down" it is to kill. the reason why--see picture

Dave in WV · « **Reply #17 on:** December 13, 2009, 02:28:55 AM »

Nice bull.

Grumulkin · « **Reply #18 on:** December 13, 2009, 03:04:45 PM »

Congratulations! I might also have taken a butt shot since in some circumstances they're quite effective.

This is a Klipspringer I took with 1 shot through the butt with a 460 S&W Magnum handgun at a range of about 180 yards. I hadn't planned on a butt shot but, I'm told, the animal moved just as I shot; I don't know since I was all caught up in the recoil thing.

Here is a deer I took with a 25/06 from a little over 200 yards with a single shot to the butt using Berger VLDs.

I still want to know, and no one has come up with a satisfactory answer for me, exactly how did the "Texas heart shot" get its name?

nomosendero · « **Reply #19 on:** December 13, 2009, 05:01:44 PM »

It may have to do with TX politics, which is very much like AR & LA politics!

south_river_redneck · « **Reply #20 on:** December 15, 2009, 03:24:44 PM »

So Silvertp, if he shot it in the neck would that be ok? Or is that shot questionable too?

fatercat · « **Reply #21 on:** December 17, 2009, 07:15:06 AM »

Mark Miller has some land owner bull elk tag hunts left. good thru jan. 2010. bulls 300 t0 330 6X6 or better.contaqct him @ 575-772-5536 or 575-536-9422. New Mexico

dukkillr · « **Reply #22 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:25:40 AM »

Quote from: fatercat on December 17, 2009, 07:15:06 AM

Mark Miller has some land owner bull elk tag hunts left. good thru jan. 2010. bulls 300 t0 330 6X6 or better.contaqct him @ 575-772-5536 or 575-536-9422. New Mexico

Are these free ranging hunts?

Skunk · « **Reply #23 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:46:37 AM »

Quote from: Cheesehead on October 24, 2009, 03:19:27 AM

How did you get that big bull out of there?

From the pictures, it looks like they were going to try riding it out.

Just kidding Fatercat. A little late here, but that is a magnificence Bull. Congratulations!!

fatercat · « **Reply #24 on:** December 17, 2009, 10:33:04 AM »

YES!!!! this is a free range hunt. i am 100% with him. you will love this hunt and Mark.

lgm270 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:59:46 PM »

I know everything has been killed with a .257 Wby. Roy Weatherby even shot a cape buffalo with one....but.

Is the 257 Wby really a reliable elk round? I know anything will work under "ideal" circumstances, but isn't a 30-06/200 grain or 338/250 grain better and more reliable?

I have a friend, a new shooter, hunter over whom the spell of the .257 Wby has been cast. He thinks he may want to hunt elk. I cautioned that the .257 is a super deer round, but might be a bit light for the larger mammals.

Am, I all wet?

Here's a link to a good on line article about the .257 Wby by Layne Simpson in Shooting Times. Check out the ballistics table, based on factory and hand loads in a 24" Vanguard. Simpson got over 3,500 fps. MV with the factpru 120 grain partition bullet load and more than 3,300 with his hand loads in that rifle. Very cool.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammunition/ST257weatherbymagnum_031706/index5.html

Lone Star · « **Reply #26 on:** December 18, 2009, 11:21:08 AM »

There is very little difference in terminal performance between a 120-grain .257" bullet and a 130-grain .277" bullet when launched above 3000 fps, given adequate construction. The .270 WCF has long been used sucessfully on elk, so both cartridges will kill elk. The question should really be: given the expected hunting conditions - will either anchor an elk with a less-than-perfect angling shot? I shot one moose with my Ruger No1 in .257 WBY and a 115 Barnes X. It killed the moose just fine. Would I have prefered to use my .338 Win Mag? Absolutely, I just wasn't carrying it at the time I saw the moose.

Just because a cartridge has killed/will kill an animal is no justification for using it. One has to take the actual hunting conditions into consideration. Man, I just love to read BS like "the elk dropped in his tracks at the shot from my .22 Hornet/.25-20/.30-30". It is not the power of the cartridge that matters here but the combination of the right bullet in the right place.

Simpson didn't really exceed 3500 fps with factory 120s, the fastest he recorded was 3427 fps - still no slouch particularly since it is not achievable through handloading....

.

fatercat · « **Reply #27 on:** July 17, 2010, 03:07:10 AM »

eye candy

FN in MT · « **Reply #28 on:** July 17, 2010, 09:37:11 AM »

I've never owned a .257 Wby, but have used it's weaker Cousins the .25-06 and especially .257 Bob to kill a lot of deer, antelope and a few cow elk. I seldom used std cup and core slugs, even 40+ years back. My mentor when I started loading in the mid 1960's was sold on Nosler partitions. So for me...thhe NP was the slug you used to hunt deer or other big game.

So the NP's may be why I always had positive results with the .25's over the years. As well as my various 7mm's and the .300 H&H/.300 Win Mag.

Anyway....bullets today are so good , that the old gold standards of WHAT was APPROPRIATE for whatever sized game...really don't apply anymore. I knew many dedicated elk hunters who thought that a heavy .30 was a bare minimum and they liked .338's for elk. Then again flinging std cup and core bullets of those days; fairly lightly constructed, usually spit the core out..one DID need a big heavy slug as they broke apart much of the time.

Right now with especially the solid core bullets like the Barnes X's etc, or the various Bonded designs....A .257" DOES kill like it's .277" or 7mm Cousins. Times have changed and the old popular beliefs of whats proper for larger game need to be revised.

Nice Bull by the way!

FN in MT