So 6n was a success, my son got his first buck, a spike horn on 10/30 quarting to him at about 65 yards. he shot it just in front of the left shoulder with his Stevens 200 308 win and piled it right there. The next evening sitting on the same clover field I shot a 3 point at 160 yards, with my H&R 308 ultra varmint. It ran about 20 yards and piled up. Another buddy took a 4 point. and another guy had a basket rack spike horn walk up and give him a 30 yard broadside shot and the trigger in remington muzzle loader wouldn't work. So ultimately it was a pretty successful trip.