Author Topic: One man's terrorist.... (Read 2443 times)

ironglow · « **on:** October 23, 2009, 01:13:41 PM »

It is said often by the loonie left that .."one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". How could they be so stupid?
Here is a news account about stupidcide bombers killing people by the bus loads..on their way to a wedding.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569230,00.html
Here in the US during colonial times, we had freedom fighters operating. If they had done such low down acts as this during that struggle, they sure wouldn't command ANY respect now. they would have been the lowest of the low.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2009, 02:27:39 PM »

its a truth that all sides justify themselves by saying they are right and the other side wrong. in my world i do not give two hoots in hades if they are heros, martyers or freedom fighters in their world. if they mean to harm me or mine i will kill them no questions asked.

torpedoman · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2009, 03:02:34 PM »

Man is never more inhumane than when he fights in the name of god. Very old quote Can't recall from who.

powderman · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2009, 03:49:21 PM »

GEE, uhhhhh, let me take a REAL wild guess. Uhhhh, muslims?

? POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2009, 12:08:22 AM »

Here, I am not questioning so much that he fights...but HOW he fights. One who WILLINGLY and PURPOSEFULLY kills women, children and other innocents, cannot (IMO) be a "freedom fighter", especially not one who would place those same women & children in cruel bondage, given the slightest chance..

williamlayton · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2009, 02:50:43 AM »

If it came down to it and we were in such a fight that is the way we would fight---did fight.
Not with the women and children thing but for what we believed.
Blessings

ironglow · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2009, 03:12:21 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on October 24, 2009, 12:08:22 AM

Here, I am not questioning so much that he fights...but HOW he fights. One who WILLINGLY and PURPOSEFULLY kills women, children and other innocents, cannot (IMO) be a "freedom fighter", especially not one who would place those same women & children in cruel bondage, given the slightest chance..

Weka;
Perhaps you had best consider a remedial reading class. Notice that quoting my last post..check sentence #2. I even emphasized the difference with caps.."One who WILLINGLY and PURPOSEFULLY kills women, children and other innocents". That means actually choosing to target the helpless; exactly what those Muslim terrorists do.
You say "around here a terrorist is someone who has a bomb but doesn't have an air force". Hmmm... strange conclusion; just for perspective, where is "around here"?
Of course, Tim Mcveigh, Ted Kazinsky, the Muslim who blew a plane apart over Lockerbie, those who have blown up day care centers and pizza parlors, all were kooks who had a bomb, but no air force. Do you endorse their actions ?

Again ...So, where is "around here"..?

searlock · « **Reply #7 on:** October 26, 2009, 01:00:49 PM »

i expect the soviet union felt that osama bin laden was a terrorist when he was kicking their butt in the ten year war in afganastan, with stinger missles and other weapons, cia training that the USA was giving him. i think the USA thought of osama as a freedom fighter.

Dee · « **Reply #8 on:** October 26, 2009, 01:12:49 PM »

ironglow, although I have roughly the same opinion of Muslims as you, Weka has you on the Nagasaki and Hiroshima thing. FOR SURE!
Also what about OUR GOVERNMENT FUNDING 50,000,000 (that's 50, with "SIX ZEROS" AFTER IT) abortions AND STILL COUNTING, with YOUR TAX DOLLAR? One should not chunk rocks when one dwells in a glass house one's own self, should one?

It is kinda like ole GW's Patriot Act, and the HOMELAND SECURITY

, with the likes of McCain and company all supporting it and REFUSING ALL THE WHILE TO SHUT DOWN THE BORDERS.
Really doesn't make much sense IF you think about it does it?

While the Bushs' and the Chenys' and all the good ole Republican voters were hollerin "shamey-shamey" to ole Saddam and his treatment of his people, OUR GOVERNMENT WAS SINGING "BREAK OUT THE SCALPLE BOYS" WE GOT US ANOTHER BABY TO ABORT.

HYPOCRACY AT IT'S BEST!

torpedoman · « **Reply #9 on:** October 26, 2009, 03:47:08 PM »

All the original Isrialie leaders were once wanted by the british as terriorists

ironglow · « **Reply #10 on:** October 26, 2009, 05:01:14 PM »

Dee;
Weka does not "have me on Nagasaki" When a person (or nation) tries to cut the other's throat, they can expect pain from the other's self defense. By bombing Nagasaki and Hiroshima, best honest estimates are that 1.5 million American lives were saved intact. There is no telling how many Japanese lives were saved, because those same women & children plus Japanese in every city in Japan, would have "fought to the death" with whatever they had.
The 1.5 million American casualties was the estimate BEFORE the bomb was dropped. I sure hope you are not taking the view, that our troops are terrorists! This present conflict was thrust upon us by an unnannounced, sneak attack, just as WW2 was.
From what you have said on this very forum..if someone attacks you and yours in your home, they should expect to get everything you may hand out.
With your speaking about 50,000,000 abortions, I don't understand what you are driving at! Surely, I have NEVER approved of the abortion industry...and you have heard me say so again and again..so in that, you have displayed a non-germain and moot point!
As far as your "glass house" remark..If you think my defense of the US in some things is totally wrong because you think the US is an evil country in everything...you can find empathetic company with the body of US haters we sometimes see on here.
So with your last sentance diatribe, whom are you berating? Bush, Cheney who both claim to be pro life...BTW, RP is a Republican, is he part of the big scam? You don't mention the Democrats, so I suppose you think they rate a bit better than the Republicans..suit yourself.

On the other hand, if you don't like the Democrats either, and according to your charges, The Republicans are rotten, and the US is a baaad country..just where do your loyalties lie?

In case you missed it...A stupidcide bomber in Baghdad this morning killed over a hundred people...26 of them being children exiting a day-care center, in front of which he parked his car-bomb.
Still; if I am to take your word for it, all our bomber pilots of WW2 were the same as the above terrorist. I would like to believe most people think a bit deeper than that!

powderman · « **Reply #11 on:** October 26, 2009, 05:11:07 PM »

weka. Those cities were not targeted specifically to kill women and children. Those women were also working in munitions factories there used to kill allies. They started it, we finished it. War is hell. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #12 on:** October 26, 2009, 05:15:32 PM »

Weka still hasn't told us where the "around here" is...where everybody considers our troops to be terrorists. I can't begin to guess where "around here" is...but it sounds a lot like San Francisco!

Dee · « **Reply #13 on:** October 27, 2009, 06:18:55 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on October 26, 2009, 05:01:14 PM

Dee;
Weka does not "have me on Nagasaki" When a person (or nation) tries to cut the other's throat, they can expect pain from the other's self defense. By bombing Nagasaki and Hiroshima, best honest estimates are that 1.5 million American lives were saved intact. There is no telling how many Japanese lives were saved, because those same women & children plus Japanese in every city in Japan, would have "fought to the death" with whatever they had.
The 1.5 million American casualties was the estimate BEFORE the bomb was dropped. I sure hope you are not taking the view, that our troops are terrorists! This present conflict was thrust upon us by an unnannounced, sneak attack, just as WW2 was.
From what you have said on this very forum..if someone attacks you and yours in your home, they should expect to get everything you may hand out.
With your speaking about 50,000,000 abortions, I don't understand what you are driving at! Surely, I have NEVER approved of the abortion industry...and you have heard me say so again and again..so in that, you have displayed a non-germain and moot point!
As far as your "glass house" remark..If you think my defense of the US in some things is totally wrong because you think the US is an evil country in everything...you can find empathetic company with the body of US haters we sometimes see on here.
So with your last sentance diatribe, whom are you berating? Bush, Cheney who both claim to be pro life...BTW, RP is a Republican, is he part of the big scam? You don't mention the Democrats, so I suppose you think they rate a bit better than the Republicans..suit yourself.

On the other hand, if you don't like the Democrats either, and according to your charges, The Republicans are rotten, and the US is a baaad country..just where do your loyalties lie?

In case you missed it...A stupidcide bomber in Baghdad this morning killed over a hundred people...26 of them being children exiting a day-care center, in front of which he parked his car-bomb.
Still; if I am to take your word for it, all our bomber pilots of WW2 were the same as the above terrorist. I would like to believe most people think a bit deeper than that!

Actually ironglow, I find it most amazing that you gleaned so much information from my post on my feelings toward my COUNTRY, when I did not mention my country, or my country's troops. I also have no idea how you managed to group me with unpatriotic forum members while making this remarkable synopsis of my post.
To say that you totally missed my point, and it's direction cannot be covered with words. You just flat didn't get it.

You don't need to be questioning MY patriotism just because you and I see things a little differently. That will only make yourself an enemy, not a friend.
Now pay attention this time ironglow, and I will type slowly. I SAID GOVERNMENT! GET IT? Now if these SHYISTERS in D.C. are your heroes, then by all means continue you support of them. But I am just as patriotic as you, and defended the Constitution AND Bill of Rights a damn site longer than you ever did IN UNIFORM, and so has, AND IS, my family defending it, so don't give me that TM7 BS treatment because it is not only unwarranted, it also asinine.

As far as the HISTORY of our conflict with Japan, why don't you read the CAUSE of our conflict with Japan, and you might actually learn something if you try not to read into it what YOU want it to say. Unannounced! You can't even spell UNANNOUNCED! BS! It is historical fact that Roosevelt knew we were going to be attacked. He NEEDED us to be attacked to get the American people on board as they had become isolationist in thought AFTER WWI. He was being HAMMMERED with protest from the American population AGAINST entering the war. WE, were selling Japan oil, and waited until they were well into a war, and suddenly decided that we no longer wanted to sell them oil anymore. Right in the middle of the war. NOW! Another historical FACT, is preparations for surrender were being made in Toyko BEFORE the bombs had been dropped. I am not arm chair quarterback Truman, but facts are facts.
WE! Also invaded a country rather RECENTLY, that did nothing to us, other than threaten to cut off OUR OIL, by invading the country that was STEALING THEIR OIL AND SELLING IT TO US.

NOW REMEMBER ironglow. I HAVE NOT CRITICIZED MY COUNTRY, OR OUR TROOPS! ONLY THE GOVERNMENT! TRY TO RETAIN THAT THOUGHT! It is my RIGHT, and they have damn sure given me enough ammunition to criticize them.

Dee · « **Reply #14 on:** October 27, 2009, 11:30:33 AM »

TM7 I was in no way trying to beat up on you, as you weren't in the mix. You just seem to catch hell whether you are or not, and ironhead just pulled the same knife on me.
He has RE-TRANSLATED a perfectly clear post of mine to mean something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from what it actually said, and whom it was said it about, and he IGNORES HISTORY, or is just ignorant of it.
He seems to believe he is the TRUE PATRIOT, just because he mostly follows blindly any Republican that speaks English. If you differ from his opinion then you are non-patriotic, and then he just piles the BS on whether it fits what was actually said or not. I'm beginning to think senility is entering into the mix. He's so far off the mark this time, I think he done his typing in the barn, cause it sure reeks of it.

teamnelson · « **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2009, 02:33:22 PM »

TM7, so who is responsible for the bombing in Baghdad?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 27, 2009, 03:21:53 PM »

TeamNelson, he'll give you the standard line that he is going to kick off his comedy tour at my BBQ with. "The Jews did it". That line is going to rate right up there with Larry the Cable guys "git er done". And I'm gonna be owning some rights to the T shirt and baseball hat rights. I bet every neo Nazi and Anti semite will want one.

ironglow · « **Reply #17 on:** October 27, 2009, 03:35:08 PM »

Dee;
  And you seem to assume I am in favor of every act the government does..which is a false asumption. You also seem to imply that I consider abortion as a viable option..which I don't (I view it as legal murder). I never said our govt was pristine and blameless...and of course you seem to think I back the Republicans on virtually everything...another false assumption.
  Sure, The Japanese had some gripes and sure, they were being squeezed..but it also was they who launched the sneak attack upon us.
  Just as it was Muslim fanatics who launched a sneak attack upon us. ...And before you even say it, our fight is with radical Islam, which is not confined to any particular country. Like sneaky coyotes, they may hide out in anyone's pasture....even our own

I don't question your patriotism, but after eliminating the entities you don't like, I figured there must be something you hold loyalty to, so I asked where those loyalties lie. I am a bit puzzled simply because you just roundly condemned our government, yet you have shown admiration for Ron Paul..now, isn't he part of this same govt?
I do realize that my last post may appear to look as if I am making assumptions about your opinions, but your last post surely did the same for me.

Dee · « **Reply #18 on:** October 28, 2009, 01:32:19 AM »

This is a discussion that will go no where, between you and I, so there will be no further discussion. One can read what I said, and what you said, and draw their own conclusions. My posts were clear in what I said, and whom I was speaking about, as was yours. I said what I said, and you added to it out of thin air, claiming it was I that said it, and still you question my loyalty to my country. We are done.

powderman · « **Reply #19 on:** October 28, 2009, 03:02:46 AM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on October 27, 2009, 02:33:22 PM

TM7, so who is responsible for the bombing in Baghdad?

The Godless killing the Godless, a slight cleansing of the gene pool. They don't care WHO they kill, as long as they kill innocents. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #20 on:** October 28, 2009, 08:25:26 AM »

TM;
Yes, I still like you (through private communications), even though we disagree greatly about some things. You ask the question ..
Who would profit from killing his fellow Iraqis?
That is the perplexing thing about that religion/people..they kill their own all the time. Not only their own nationality, but often their own family members..wives, daughters etc..HONOR KILLING.. (I guess I miss the "honor" part)..

I can only refer you to God's characterization of Ishmael, the father of the now-Muslim tribes....

"He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers". (Genesis 16;12 .. NIV)

teamnelson · « **Reply #21 on:** October 28, 2009, 09:22:19 AM »

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TeamN...Who? Those that are psychopaths, posses high tech munitions, want a Civil War and continued Chaos, want a certain person or person dead and will take down anybody around with them; i.e. those that stand to benefit the most furthering mayhem....personally I don't think that would be generic muzzie extremist at this point killing their own people. Who benefits by us staying in Iracq and Afghnaistan? Would you kill your own people to further some abstract cause when the goal is to get the americans and their israeli advisors to leave..?

..TM7

Your assumption is that the goal of the muslim world is to get Coalition Forces to leave. Its a common assumption of those who have not been to the region, or understand Arab tribal dynamics or the last couple thousand years of middle eastern politics.

There is a vacuum of order in the region, and we are withdrawing which only increases the vacuum. Saddam kept so many factions from killing each other ... they've been spoiling for a fight for decades. Never mind the insurgents. Civil war is the future of Iraq; I've heard it from the lips of senior Iraqi officers straight to my ears. Sunni, shia ... that's useful, but tribal affiliations go deeper. There are probably 3 major entities, with several internal divisions after that. They will band together for a goal, and then kill each other for dominance. Islam is always a useful justification. The goal is not to get us to leave - we're leaving; they knew that before Nov 2008. The goal is to be in control in the vacuum. They need us to stay long enough for one of them to gain control, and then we can leave ... heard that right from the horse's mouth.

Hi-tech munitions are not an indicator of non-extremist (or implicit western) intervention. Al Qaeda had access to western and soviet CBRN weapons & training long before 911 without outside help. Do you know what happened to all the material shipped to Somalia when Clinton pulled us out? Hasty landfill ... they dug it all up. It'll be the same when we leave Iraq and Afghanistan; we'll see them again in the war after that. The IED that hit me was comprised of 4 US artillery shells and a chinese propane tank, acquired from a long chain of theft and sales; more fingerprints on it than a wahine in waikiki.

Sometimes it really is just as simple as the greediness and selfishness of millions simultaneously.

Dee · « **Reply #22 on:** October 28, 2009, 09:28:35 AM »

TN, I believe you have hit the nail on the head. My son has two tours there, and basically says the same thing. When the last US boot leaves their soil, it will back to the infighting, and killing of each other. It is their nature. And yes. Saddam was far better at peace keeping than we have been in that region. He just made our ex-CIA chief mad, and was taken out because he started playing ball with a different team.

jjas · « **Reply #23 on:** October 28, 2009, 09:33:57 AM »

Quote from: Dee on October 28, 2009, 09:28:35 AM

TN, I believe you have hit the nail on the head. My son has two tours there, and basically says the same thing. When the last US boot leaves their soil, it will back to the infighting, and killing of each other. It is their nature. And yes. Saddam was far better at peace keeping than we have been in that region. He just made our ex-CIA chief mad, and was taken out because he started playing ball with a different team.

I agree as well. It will be as if nothing there has changed. As for the United States, what will have changed....just what bin Laden said would. We (the U.S.) will have spent lives, years and billions upon billions of dollars to achieve what. Bankruptcy?

Sensai · « **Reply #24 on:** October 28, 2009, 09:45:38 AM »

Just to add my 2 cents worth:

If your objective is to enslave the rest of the world under your religious system; you're not a "freedom" anything.

If you specifically target and kill those who have no defensive capability against you; you're not a "fighter".

What these people are, by definition and regardless of their motives, are "enslavement murderers".

billy_56081 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 29, 2009, 01:46:26 AM »

TeamNelson did I predict it or what? Funny how it all leads back to blaming the Jews.

I'm getting the Tshirts and hats printed soon.

Dee · « **Reply #26 on:** October 29, 2009, 02:14:45 AM »

TM7, while I don't agree with your stance on Israel, I DO agree with you stance on leaving Saddam Hussein alone. He quite literally was a buffer zone separating the factions in a brutal sort of way, but he also as TeamNelson said, was all that was keeping factions from killing each other.
My son also agrees with this analogy, and like TeamNelson has actually been there. It was indeed a huge mistake to have invaded Iran and taken him out. When the U.S. does leave, it will be a far more brutal country than when Saddam was in power, and will once again to quote Team Nelson, be a vacuum, and one of carnegie that would be hard for Americans to imagine.
To quote my son, there are two major factions at the present TAKING THIS OPORTUNITY to try and wipe each other out, kids, women, and all, in hopes that when the U.S. DOES LEAVE, they will have the upper hand. THUS! The attacks of civilians against civilians.

powderman · « **Reply #27 on:** October 29, 2009, 02:18:37 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on October 29, 2009, 01:46:26 AM

TeamNelson did I predict it or what? Funny how it all leads back to blaming the Jews.

I'm getting the Tshirts and hats printed soon.

HEH. Yep, Israels fault. Tm is so predictable, Israels fault. I bet when he and his Godless friends are firing rockets at Israeli civilians and and a Jew is killed he'd blame the Jews for not being better rocket catchers. POWDERMAN.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 29, 2009, 02:53:41 AM »

TM I'm sure your neo nazi friends agree with you 100 percent.

So now I'm an Israeli government worker living in Minnesota. So where do you live TM? Here's another prediction, I bet you won't answer that one.

The sad thing about you TM is that your antisemetic hatred has so infected you that you cannot see that the enemies of America, Israel are one in the same. They are the enimies of peace and freedom.

ironglow · « **Reply #29 on:** October 29, 2009, 03:57:56 AM »

Teamnelson;
Your last post (#26) showed much insight and wisdom, obviously from having "been there, done that"...
Sensai;
I must agree with your three points, they are accurate and well taken. (post #29)
BTW: Welcome aboard GBO..and does your sign in name denote your martial arts placing ?