remmies are definately, hit or miss. i bought about 30 boxes of the remmies when they were on clearance ($1.50). First 8 boxes were execellent I mean at 25 yards i was within 1.2 inches on 3 shots. however, the rest, which were a different lot code, were all over upto 4 inches at 25 yards. switched to winchester and groups are still under 2 inches but not by much.....