Palin showing her colors...

[ms]

   I believe Sarah has a special position right now to get independants and right thinking Republicans elected.
[/quote] Your drunk she getting paid to do that it's all about the money. She will tell you anything you want to hear.

[Redtail1949]

I think its funny that the DEMS claim they hate her and that she is a ding bat. The Republicans say they "like her" yet will not push for her.

The truth is the Democrats FEAR HER and the OLD GUARD REPUBLICANS do too.

[billy_56081]

Mechanic I would love to see a general election with the best man wins too. But we'll see that when the devil has to wear long handles. Just think how confused voters would be if they only put the name on the ballet and no gang affiliation.

[john keyes]

you guys may as well be talking about Barry Goldwater.

Palin is DONE

[john keyes]

jackasses like McCain, and about 99% of the Republican Party. The Dems and Repubs, should merge. They are one in the same any way, and it will cut down on the stress for those whom can't see past a two party system.

THIS

[Dee]

Mechanic I would love to see a general election with the best man wins too. But we'll see that when the devil has to wear long handles. Just think how confused voters would be if they only put the name on the ballet and no gang affiliation.

Well billy, with that last statement you seem to be saying that voters, including yourself I suppose, since you vote Republican, are too stupid to vote for an individual based on his real time merits? I'm personally not at all confused about the difference between right and wrong, or good and bad, or qualified and unqualified, or honest and dishonest.
Are you saying that without a Party guiding you, that you and most other Americans, are incapable of making these decisions on your own?
The Devil indeed will need long handles, and a heavy coat too, before I vote for another sold out SOB, such as the last Republican produced for a presidential candidate. I didn't need anyone to tell me what he was, his voting record, and actions, spoke for themselves, but I do see your point in that you and a lot of others drank his kool aid and voted for him.
If time were rolled back a hundred years or so, he and a lot of other modern day politicians would be hard pressed to avoid the gallows. They may yet be introduced to them if they continue to proceed in their present direction, and it would appear that you and others intend to help them with their continuing careers, with emphasis on CAREER.
It is a sad day indeed when someone knows what a candidate is, and supports him anyway. Just my opinion of course.

[Casull]

Dee, the dem's love guys like you.   

[Dee]

Dee, the dem's love guys like you.   

Casull, I like guys like you. But I don't love ya.

[jimster]

I would have to agree with....

jackasses like McCain, and about 99% of the Republican Party. The Dems and Repubs, should merge. They are one in the same any way, and it will cut down on the stress for those whom can't see past a two party system.

If anyone took the time over the past several years to read the legislation coming out of Congress, and who voted for what, you would have to agree.
If you have not read the legislation and how they have been voting....you won't know squat and will always be stuck in "party" mode.

Read how they vote, and what they have voted on concerning how they all are spending your money.  Yep, they might as well merge into one party.
Of course there are a couple of true conservatives in each party...but you won't see them getting any coverage on the news. They are alone.

Jim

[billy_56081]

Oh DEE how silly and condesending you sound. Now who here started a thread about how they were voting Mc Cain because of his choice of VP? And to blame anyone else for your very poor handling of your personal assets doesn't sound to conservative to me. I have not lost one damn penny in my retirement account because I made the conservative and right choices with my money. Obviously I am smarter in that reguard.

I personnaly vote for the best candidate available. Many times there is no decent choices. You have the option of not voting, writing in, or voting against. I do not need advice on something as important as our elected officials from a man who can't even manage his own assets.

[ms]

Oh DEE how silly and condesnding you sound. Now who here started a thread about how they were voting Mc Cain because of his choice of VP? And to blame anyone else for your very poor handling of your personal assets doesn't sound to conservative to me. I have not lost one damn penny in my retirement account because I made the conservative and right choices with my money. Obviously I am smarter in that reguard.

I personnaly vote for the best candidate available. Many times there is no decent choices. You have the option of not voting, writing in, or voting against. I do not need adice on something as important as our elected officials from a man who can't even manage his own assets.

Another cheap shot by silly billy.

[Dee]

Well billy your boyish machismo has came out again. When you make a foolish statement that you cannot defend you immediately go on the attack and become insulting. I suppose everyone whom ever lost an investment goes into my category. So be it.
I remember you crying loudly for war, but making excuses for not being able to participate in that war, and even sending me pms trying to justify why you hadn't gone to war in the military and went over there and shot those Muslims. Now occasionally you contradict your pms to me, and say that you have been over there shooting Muslims. You are such a tale teller.
Now you are trying to dredge up my failures in housing investments, which I have talked about in part on appropriate threads, hoping you can make me look bad enough, that you in turn will look good. You will only look like you have always looked. Moronic, and unnecessarily ANIMATED
I did in fact loose a lot of money in housing investments, and as I type this, I sit in a home that has been paid for, for years. I am still financially sound.  

You are so small minded and inclined toward causing strife with others that you even follow one guy around on the forums just to make fun of and insult him, while offering nothing in the realm of the discussion. You are his self appointed persecutor. I am amazed that you continually get away with your unprovoked attacks on him.

You will not be able however, to get my goat, because you are not smart enough to find where he is tied. You will only continue to beat your chest and give you childish little Tarzan yell. You have followed me around for months trying to be my buddy, and now, when I disagree with you, you come after me trying to insult me. Ain't gonna work small fry. You are the village idiot of this little village, and everyone knows it. They do with you, what they do with all village idiots. They smile, shake their heads, and continue on, for the most part ignoring you as I have done. Which is what I intend to do again. Why don't you be a good little boy for once, and put me back on ignore. You are never going to be my buddy.  

[jimster]

Well, getting back to the original idea of the thread, which is Palin and her colors,  most people like the fact it seems she is breaking away from the normal support your party deal and just staying on course.  Opinions vary, but the facts of a few times she went after her own party and slapped them good is really on record and not really opinion, it is fact. 

So this thing of breaking away from the republican party because they lost their way is really a big deal, many people are scared of that including my wife, and we have talked this over many times, she also is real scared to break away because she thinks there is no way a third party will do anything exept steal votes.  I had to think long and hard about this myself, it was not easy saying to heck with it and breaking away and then have a bunch of pals who are really conservative start to blame you for not helping and saying you might as well have voted for XXXX.   I figure we get the same thing no matter which party (dem, rep), just read what they all voted on the last bunch of years, and what they passed besides what the "name" of the bill is, you might snap out of this party thing then.  My wife thinks the only way is to rebuild the party and vote out all of them socialist republicans and vote in brand new ones.  It's not that easy. 

Since this thread is about Palin...I'll just make a final comment and say she broke the mold a few times in her past,  she would make a great third party candidate for getting in the legislative branch, and if you find 250 more like her the president, whoever it is, will fall into line and have no choice.
 

 

[Casull]

Dee, you and I have had our disagreements, but that was a cheap shot by Billy (and a pretty darn good comeback on your part).  Anyone who claims they can make investments without ever losing money is a liar or they only invest in CD's and savings accounts (not a winner in the long run).  As far as the parties, I know that much of what has been said is true, but I don't believe that every Republican is a liar and turncoat (though many are).  But, when it comes time to fish or cut bait, I will vote against the GREATER of two evils, by voting for a VIABLE candidate.   

[Casull]

My wife thinks the only way is to rebuild the party and vote out all of them socialist republicans and vote in brand new ones.  It's not that easy. 

 

Jimster, do you think it will be easier to elect a third party cadidate?  Personally, I don't think so, and would agree with your wife.

[Dee]

The fact of the matter Casull, if you and I agreed on everything there would be nothing to talk about. One must live by his convictions, or else call them what they really are. Thoughts only! It is ok to be of different opinions, and even at times to argue, but to insult is another thing entirely. I think most of the insulter's would be far more polite in person, don't you?
Guys like billy are a grain of salt. They accidentally say something that makes sense occasionally, but to take them into confidence would be a mistake. Those whom loudly preach war, are usually the ones least likely to fight.
You and I will disagree again Casull. But we will agree again also. Don't you think?

[Dee]

jimster, there were two parties BEFORE, the Democrats and Republicans. They were replaced for the same reasons these two groups of clowns need to be replaced.
The task now is, folks used to be individuals, and they voted for individuals based on their beliefs and actions.
Saying that your pals are TRUE CONSERVATIVES, YET VOTE FOR THE LESSOR OF TWO LIBERALS, is like saying that a TRUE CHRISTIAN will knowingly vote for a KNOWN PRO ABORTIONIST. Doesn't make sense does it?
They CONTRIDICT THEIR ALLEDGED CONVICTIONS. OR THEY MUST NOT BE CONVICTED OF THEIR CONVICTIONS, which is to say, they are not what they claim to be.
I would say you have taken the right road. But that's just me.

[ironglow]

   I believe Sarah has a special position right now to get independants and right thinking Republicans elected.

Your drunk she getting paid to do that it's all about the money. She will tell you anything you want to hear.
[/quote]

   Well MS;
  Since you quoted me I guess I should reply! Lie #1, you accuse of Palin "having an affair"...and of course you offer NO PROOF..Decent men don't trash a decent woman without very ironclad facts!
  Lie #2; You accuse me of being drunk...quite impossible, when I totally shun alcohol or any illicit drugs.

  A bit of advice; Put your brain in gear before you engage your mouth !

[billy_56081]

It is sad that the conservatives are so fragmented with infighting that they cannot comment without being attacked.  Obviously some think they are the only oneswho know how to pick a candidate. I vote for the most part against one candidate more than I am voting for one. To believe anyone running for office has our best interests in mind is silly.

I never called anyone stupid except as a responce. I have voted for my personal choices many times without looking at the party.

I do not blame the government for the poor choices I make.

While some here would just like to be rude and divisive, I am for America being number one.

As for beating the war drum, I guess wanting to fight a war as a war, not some police action in not acceptable with the liberal minded folks. I really don't care what they think. I say we slaughter them like animals or get out.

[jimster]

I will vote against the GREATER of two evils, by voting for a VIABLE candidate.  

The problem starts when you read what the "VIABLE" candidate actually voted on and how they actually cast their votes.  Then it should dawn on you at some point, the republican sitting in the legislative branch either in your state or at the fed level....is exactly the same as president Obama or the speaker of the house.  Then more people would break the mold, only because they are not ignorant anymore.  They read the legislation, thousands of pages...and saw it, and checked on who voted on it, and where the money went. Standing alone isn't easy in life sometimes, that includes politics.  If your going to talk the talk, you have to walk it.  Voting a republican in that votes with all the rest is not logical.  Our republicans here in Michigan are no different than any democrat and we have what we have now because of it.  Same at the fed level.  

I know where your coming from...but your in no better shape with my vote, and I can prove it.  With voting records by republicans and what we have in place now.
Break off and make a statement, heck, it won't get any worse that it is now, the reps signed all this crap into law a long time ago along with the dems.
 

[Casull]

Jimster, I know that many Republicans are a disappointment (to me and others).  However, I do NOT believe that there is NO difference between McCain and Obama.  If you check their voting records, you will see that.  Are they too close?  Hell yes.  But a difference is still a difference.  I do not and will not believe that it is a better thing to cave to the greater of two evils to show my displeasure with the lesser of two evils.  Hasn't happened, and won't happen.

[billy_56081]

I will vote against the worst candidate and for the best alternative that has a chance to defeat the worst candidate. The saddest part is that we are not even being givin a conservative choice, only left or lefter.

[ms]

   I believe Sarah has a special position right now to get independants and right thinking Republicans elected.

Your drunk she getting paid to do that it's all about the money. She will tell you anything you want to hear.

   Well MS;
  Since you quoted me I guess I should reply! Lie #1, you accuse of Palin "having an affair"...and of course you offer NO PROOF..Decent men don't trash a decent woman without very ironclad facts!
  Lie #2; You accuse me of being drunk...quite impossible, when I totally shun alcohol or any illicit drugs.

  A bit of advice; Put your brain in gear before you engage your mouth !
[/quote]Have another drink and engage your mouth. You need aa!

[Dee]

Casull I will disagree with you on your comparison of Obama to McCain's voting records being different. Check McCain's 30+ year voting record on Constitutional, and Bill of Rights ISSUES, and you will find COUNTLESS FLAWS. In checking Obama's record which is EXTREMELY SHORT, you will find that he voted PRESENT on almost all issues, but when he actually did vote he and McCain weren't that far apart.
MCCAIN IS A "PROVEN" SOCIALIST, WHILE OBAMA IS "PROVEN" HE'S A SOCIALIST TOO.

I would also add, that in my opinion, "MANY" REPUBLICANS ARE NOT A DISAPPOINTMENT, BUT THAT "MOST REPUBLICANS" ARE A DISSAPOINTMENT. I can think of about three that aren't and that includes the house and the senate.

[jimster]

McCain is in the congress, and has been a long time.  They are the only ones with the power to appropriate funds.  President only signs what they write into law.  McCain...voting record?  Like did he show up to vote once?  I think he might take the cake for missing more votes in a row than most anyone.
Important ones too.  How is that working out so far as McCain being Senator for all those years?  Heck, if he don't vote, he can't have much of a record, except maybe a bad record of representing the people that elected him.  Did he even show up to vote no on the stim package?  Could have used his vote there I bet, darn thing passed.  I take nothing away from McCain as a hero who fought for our country. But he's a poor choice to represent me in the legislature.  Their job is to vote...that's about all they get paid for!  If ya can't do that what good are ya no matter what party your in.  

 

Jim

[billy_56081]

I'm not sure what all this talk about Mc Cain is, he is the past. Sarah is trying to be the future, I hope she is. Now lets not sit here and talk about the past and whine about it like liberals, lets build a future.

[gypsyman]

When you only have 2 candidates to vote for, it's vote for the lessor of 2 evils, or don't vote. And as far as whats happening with Sarah, she got out of Alaska, found out how many dirt bags there are in the Rep. party on the national level, and probably got tired of all their crap too. Best thing for her to do is lay low for a year of so, get all her cards in order, and run on a 3rd. party ticket. Even if she didn't win, I'll bet she'ld get the other 2 party's so shook up, something would fall from the tree.
And as far as the rumor of her family life, from what little I paid attention to it, it was started by the boy that got her daughter pregnant. I'll bet that's a reliable source.  gypsyman

[Casull]

Dee, I never said that McCain's and Obama's voting records were that far apart, but Jimster was saying there was NO difference.  There is a difference, and while much of it is not that much different, there are some dramatic differences in there if you just look.  Now, I know Obama voted on almost nothing in the Senate, but check his state voting record in Illinois.  You WILL see a difference.  As for McCain being too liberal, you're preaching to the choir.  He was my LAST choice on the Republican ticket, but again I will not choose to not vote against the greater of two evils (by voting for a non-viable candidate) just to prove a point or to make myself feel "superior".  Won't happen.  I understand your anger, but I try to rise above my anger and do what either helps the most or, as is more the case nowadays, hurts the least.

[Casull]

I would also add, that in my opinion, "MANY" REPUBLICANS ARE NOT A DISAPPOINTMENT, BUT THAT "MOST REPUBLICANS" ARE A DISSAPOINTMENT. I can think of about three that aren't and that includes the house and the senate.

Dee, obviously your standards are too high to coexist with reality.  It would be nice, but it just ain't going to happen.

[Dee]

Welllllll, I'm a Southerner Casull. What can I say. I set my standards where I can meet them but, just barely. Most of the time I expect more out of my own self than I'm able to deliver, but I keep tryin.