Woman killed by coyotes in Canada...but they are so cute!!!

[shortround]

In Georgia in the the late 20's early 30's, hunters who had been used to hunting fox, bobcat and racoons with their hounds went out west and illegally brought coyotes into the state. This was mainly in south Georgia although some were released in the northern part as well.

The coyotes did well in the river bottoms and swamps and started to breed and expand.

The hunters found out the hard way that their dogs would get torn up more often than not when chasing coyotes and it's attraction to hound hunters didn't last long since they wound up losing dogs to them.

It is believed by some of the people in the dept. of natural resources that although there has been coyotes here since the late 20's that others have found their way here by migration.

This is certainly true for the armadillos that are infesting the state these days. They said there were no armadillos in Georgia before the late 60's and now they've even been officially recorded as far north as Dalton, Georgia which is in the mountains not far from Chattanooga.

It was believed until they were found that far north that they could not handle the climate, but it seems like the coyotes they've adapted pretty well.

A few years ago a child was bitten several times and a dog in a fenced yard was attacked and killed by coyotes in a suburb of north Atlanta.

In both cases the coyotes were killed and examined by state wildlife biologists who found that these were not wild dogs or coyote/dog hybrids, but were 100% coyotes.

[dpe.ahoy]

Here in Montana, we always shot any "dog" (coyote) we see.  Sounds like parts of the state have filled their quota for Wolves, first year for the tags.  Haven't seen any around my cabin, just lots of yotes.  DP

[rex6666]

coyotes have been all over TX. , OK. and Ks for as long as those states have had names.
I first remember going with my Dad in the mid 50s he ran them with Greyhounds, i know people that run them with trail hounds, black & tans
blueticks and such.
Teddy Roosevelt came to Frderick Ok. once to watch a man (can't remember his name) rope a coyote from horse back. That must have been a show.

[Drilling Man]

We do have coyotes here, but they are not seen a lot.  Wolves hunt them, so they keep a low profile.  Inn Tennessee, I've seen them hunt and kill grown Whitetail deer.   I have taught my brothers how to hunt them, and now they are bringing in pelts regularly all winter.  My uncle used to hunt Foxes with hounds.  When the Coyotes moved in the foxes became scarce.  I finally convinced him to use his hounds to hunt Coyotes.

  Maybe in Fairbanks you don't see them often, but i shot coyotes all over Alaska from the Kenai Peninsula to Copper River and beyond.  I shot almost all of them durning daylight hours, never had to call even one in.  They are all over, and should be shot on sight!

  DM

[Brett]

Peter, a couple of years ago I was bear hunting on my own property surrounded by miles of private property.  I had a nice bear hitting the bait.  I would guess 300 to 400 lbs.  Hound hunters turned their dogs loose on a road a half mile north of me.  The dogs crossed my property and the acreage of 4 neighbors that I'm aware of.....about 600 acres of private land.  The bear was gone for good.  The stupid part is I could be prosecuted for shooting their dogs.

Pete

Not sure about that. The dog's owner is supposed to maintain control of his dogs at all times.  If they are on your property and the owner is not around it's your word against his that his dogs did not try to attack you. 

[Casull]

The dog's owner is supposed to maintain control of his dogs at all times.

Exactly how would you do that with trailing hounds?  I know in Illinois, a hunter cannot be charged for trespass by his dogs, but he also can't chase them across private property.

[mechanic]

There certainly were not any yotes here in Ga. when I was a boy, but now there are many.  I live in town on a city lot with some green space areas in the neighborhood.  I had seen yotes a couple of times before, but a while back I shot one out my back door, eating cat food.  (Better than the cat I guess). 

While it's illegal to fire a gun, I will take my chances in cases like this, as this dog did not even appear afraid when I stepped out just a few paces away.

[briannmilewis]

We have all been right about coyote historical distribution. This quote, "At the time Europeans first established settlements in North America the coyote’s range was likely restricted to the prairie regions of North America west of the Mississippi River from southwestern Canada to central Mexico. Throughout the 18th and 19th centuries European settlement expanded westward, and the extensive eastern forests were cleared for agriculture and timber products. A network of linear travel corridors was created as roads, bridges, and railway systems were constructed. In addition to the unprecedented alteration of habitat, there was direct persecution of large predators such as the wolves and mountain lions that had previously competed for food resources with coyotes.

The range expansion of the coyote in North America is well documented. Coyotes followed settlers and prospectors westward, feeding on dead horses and livestock as well as in garbage dumps along travel routes.

With the wolf gone from most of eastern North America and the landscape now consisting of a patchwork of agricultural and forest lands, there was an opportunity for the adaptable and generalist coyote to move east. The first eastern coyotes in New York State were documented in the 1920’s. By the 1930’s, coyotes had been documented in Maine, and in the 1940’s Vermont (1942) and New Hampshire (1944). They were first reported in Massachusetts in 1957 and in Connecticut in 1958.

[tturner53]

People stood by and watched a woman be killed by coyotes?! Please say it aint so.

Well, according to her mother, that would have been what she wanted (wouldn't have wanted them hurt for doing it).  Bleeding hart lib's and animal rights nuts make me sick.   

  Don't know if I'm getting this quote thing right, but by the mother's logic a rattlesnake attached to your kid's leg is just doing what comes natural to him, you should leave it alone. A shark got your wife's leg? Leave it alone. A psychotic rapist killer is just doing what comes natural to him, leave him alone. We don't have the right to defend ourselves or what? Whernhel is their survival instinct? How can people 'run for help' when they hear a woman screaming bloody murder? I am stunned. One determined adult could have saved her, even unarmed. When the Grizzly Man was beind shredded by a griz, do you suppose he was thinking I hope nobody hurts this bear? Hell no! He was wishing a hunter would hear him screaming for help and come shoot the bear. People change their tune when it's their --- on the line. Sorry, kinda went off...this story p----- me off.

[slim rem 7]

 i think the danger is probably worse where the numbers are sufficient for pack mentality....
 same as for wolves..when i get back to hunting ,,coyotes are my prey..probably im thiers also ,,if the pack is big enough..i tried to warn a deer stand hunter about that one day.. he gotta a good laugh outa that..it suited me ..

[petemi]

Kevin, you are correct about wolves killing coyotes, and down the line, coyotes killing fox.  It's an amazing fact.  We have a super abundance of all three.  They can't kill each other quick enough.  The Handis help a lot.

Pete

[petemi]

TM7....seeing and weighing a 65 pound coyote are two different things.  A 65 lb coyote would be a wolf youngster.  40 lbs is a good yote.

Pete

[kevinsmith5]

Long term studies by Wildlife Biologists have shown Eastern coyotes getting progressively larger. Not sure if it's interbreeding with dogs or a far better diet.

[Casull]

Whernhel is their survival instinct? How can people 'run for help' when they hear a woman screaming bloody murder? I am stunned.

You and me both.

[kevinsmith5]

They are called "Liberals" and would rapidly become extinct if us mean old bad gun toting Neanderthals didn't feel like we had a duty as human beings to keep their sorry butts alive..... Unfortunately for this lady none of us were around when she decided to go hiking.

[BBF]

TM7
Anything seperated from another land mass can be considered an island.
There is at least one place where a coyote could probably jump or have a very short swim from Nova Scotia to Cape Breton.

Nova Scotia certainly has coyotes and we have fox. My neighbor shot eight coyotes so far this year from his bedroom window. Since  he lives on a 100 acre farm there a no neighbors to complain. His wife does take issue at times when he lets fly ( 25-06) while she was sleeping.

[kevinsmith5]

"Takes issue"

[351 power]

there is a causeway. but the coyotes also swim or get on ice flows{likely unintentional} and end up on the other side. we were on prince edward island this summer and also heard coyotes howling there. talk was they have migrated there over the last ten yrs. even before the bridge was there. it's about 11 miles across the water
and shortround, your comment was vulgar and disrespecting

[Casull]

shortround, your comment was vulgar and disrespecting

What did I miss?

Ohhh, prior page.

[slim rem 7]

alright since we talkin size.. i was setting one day at the edge of a field..
 a full red fox just run up on me..he didn t get that big by making that kinda mistake..
 he looked like he could have weighed 50 lbs..i was totally surprised as i was looking ,,at some newly purchased land...but that size just kinda left me stunned..
no set rule on size of any animal ..
 theres a huge one,, out there somewhere...
 ps ive seen many copper heads but never seen one over 5 ft long.. but just cause i didn t see them don t mean they aint there..jmo slim

[powderman]

We've lived here over 27 years. Up til 3 years ago there was a fox den in the hillside not far from the house. I saw a fox a few months ago, but those dens haven't been used in at least 3 years. I reckon the coyotes have just about killed them out. Lots of yotes around here, can hear them most every night. POWDERMAN. 

[rockbilly]

They are an amazing animal to watch, very cunning, viscous and definitely a killing machine.  Several years ago I sat in the club house at a local Golf Course and watched four of them take a full grown doe deer.  It had snowed the night before, we were setting before a big picture window watching the course when the doe came out of the wooded area next to the club house and walked across the 1st fairway to another wooded area that had a bunch of low hanging mesquite trees that were loaded with mistletoe, she was browsing when we noticed four coyotes come out of the woods about a hundred yards from her.  One laid down as the other three moved a little closer, about fifty yards another one laid down.  The other two moved back into the woods and flanked the deer with one still in the woods the other came out and ran the deer back towards the other coyotes.  When they ran the deer past the dog at the fifty yard spot it got up and joined in the chase, then at the hundred yard the last one joined in and locked onto one of the deer’s legs, the others pounced on and down she came.  They tore her guts out, in short order she was dead but they were dining as she died.

I later had the opportunity to see what I suspect was the same bunch of dogs take a turkey near the same place. 

Problem here, these animals were on a military base and could not be hunted, I guess they are still killing…………

[williamlayton]

It may be a bad impression but I have always heard that Yotes and Wolves WOULD breed with domestic dogs.
We have had a couple of Yotes on the golf course here in Deer Park. there is a land fill (garbage dump) near here and they wander over to the course for skunks and other varments.
This is right on the ship channnel and IN Houston.
They are not afraid of man.
Blessings

[powderman]

Coyotes will breed with dogs, the coydogs used to be pretty plentiful in ILL 25+  years ago. I killed several of them. Farmers used to have coyote drives every year, not sure if they still do. POWDERMAN. 

[rockbilly]

A few miles south of town is a road side park (picnic area), it is remote, no houses close by so an ideal place to dump unwanted dogs.  Over the years there have been many dropped there that did pack up with coyotes and interbreed. Most often they are females and in heat when dropped off.  If the dog is of a larger breed the off spring are usually larger than the pure coyote.  My place is just a few miles from the road side park so I see the results fairly often.  I have killed a few what appeared to be coyote that were of exceptional size. A year or so ago I was setting in a deer blind when I seen a doe come through like she was on fire, behind her were several dogs, a black Cocker Spaniel looking dog, a big mixed breed German Sheppard and two mixed Labradors along with what looked like a cross coyote.  I killed the Cocker and one of the Labradors but couldn’t get a shot at the others; they stopped chasing the deer and turned back in the direction they had come from. 

A friend use to raise goats and sheep as well as cattle, he told me the cross breed dogs would often kill sheep and goats just for the fun of it, they didn't mees with the cattle much unless it was a new calf.  One day he came upon a pack of 8-10 that had killed several kids, they had not eat any of them but continued to chase the herd trying to kill more, he grabbed his old 30-30 and stepped out to shoot them, he walked about thirty-forty feet from his truck and started firing but found he only had four rounds in the gun, they turned on him and chased him back to the truck. He said he was darn lucky he got there before they got to him as they seemed intent on doing him harm.

This same old friend use to laugh at me for carrying a SKS as a truck gun, the next time I seen him he said he had hung the old 30-30 up and was packing an SKS and two 20 round mags. of ammo.

[gypsyman]

We've got them here in NW Ohio. Couple years ago I was talking on the phone with my insurance man, when I had one come out of the soybean field and do a quick pass around my wood pile. Dropped the phone and tried to get a gun, but was gone by the time I got out the back door.
Needless to say, when I picked up the phone and explained to my insurance man what had happened, he said he had seen them around his house, and he lives closer to the city than I do. gypsyman

[Questor]

We always focus on the predators, but the whitetail deer is actually the most lethal mammal in encounters with people. Most of these deaths are during auto collisions with deer. Granted, people aren't doing the whitetail any favors in these encounters either, but it's just an interesting statistic.

[rex6666]

After deer season is over get you a rooster that will crow a lot,
put him in a cage and hang about7-8 foot above the ground, get in
your stand and get ready it will draw yotes and bobcats faster than any thing.

When i was in school in south west OK. their was some people that lived close
to the river that had several mixed german shepard dogs mostly black in color
when the females came in heat they had to lock them up or they would
run off with the coyotes, some did i have seen coy-dogs around there that
were way bigger than the yotes they were running with. Seems like the cross
does not stay prominate if they don't have fresh blood, seems like in a couple
off generations all the dog is bred out.

[Clodhopper]

I used to hang out with an old boy that would kidnap his wifes old tom cat and take him hunting coyotes.  He would put the spoiled old house cat in a pet carrier and set him out in the field and wait.  The cat, who was used to sleeping in the house on the bed, would get uncomfortable and start howling, meowing and just generally raising cane.  My buddy killed a lot of coyotes this way until his wife found out about it and informed him that if the practice continued the old tom cat would be the only one sharing the bed with her.

[mechanic]

I used to hang out with an old boy that would kidnap his wifes old tom cat and take him hunting coyotes.  He would put the spoiled old house cat in a pet carrier and set him out in the field and wait.  The cat, who was used to sleeping in the house on the bed, would get uncomfortable and start howling, meowing and just generally raising cane.  My buddy killed a lot of coyotes this way until his wife found out about it and informed him that if the practice continued the old tom cat would be the only one sharing the bed with her.

Sounds like time for him to get his OWN cat......