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Pellet Head Size
« on: November 01, 2009, 02:48:50 PM »
I have been shooting Beeman coated hollow point pelets fr several years and found the the most accurate in my guns.(Benjamin 397 and a Daisy 1000) then they quit shooting so well. I had a few of old ones and noticed they had to be forced into the chamber of the Daisy while the new(inaaccurate) ones dropped in. I miked the heads of the pellets and found the new heads miked at 0.170in and the older ones miked at 0.172. These measurments were very consistant with no measurable variation in a dozen pellets of each type. Where can I find pellets that have heads at least 0.172in in diameter? This seems to be the key to accuracy in the Daisy 1000.

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Re: Pellet Head Size
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2009, 01:57:02 PM »
try the Crosman Premier pellets.
They fit tighter than anything else I have tried.
They also seem to deliver pretty good "Smack"
to squirrels. I popped a big Grey with one this
past weekend at about 35 yards and it barely
even kicked. It was a head shot though.
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Re: Pellet Head Size
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2009, 04:38:44 AM »
Well, I am not sure where to start, but airgun pellets are 177 caliber and not 172.  However, there head size is different from pellet to pellet, even varies in the same batch.  Like with the a-for-mentioned Crosman Premiers, or as I call them scrap lead……  The last few batches, or so called die numbers that I have gotten are really bad.  There head size was just under .18,  you can even imagine what this dose to the accuracy of my tightly choked barrels on my custom PCP rifles.  Shot gun time! Is the term that comes to mind!

Your 397 is designed for pellets only while your Daisy, maybe designed to shoot BB’s  and pellets.  These are actually 18 caliber, and not 177 like the European air rifles.  This is why you can’t shoot BB’s out of them, not to mention what that would do to the barrel, if one could.  Daisy and Crosman use oversized barrels, but that is really not where you are having your problem, is it?

Anyway, some pellet makers like H&N and many others have different dies that they use, and something they need to replace these dies because they wear out.  When this happened you really get a whole new pellet.  One short story to make this all seem to make sense, happened to a shooting buddy who lives in the UK, anyway he has a Rapid 7, and had the power bumped up to near 60 foot pounds.  Now this gun shoots really tight groups with the 22 caliber H&N Barracuda, this pellet is sold under a couple of different names, but they are all the same pellet made by H&N.  Well, mostly!!!!!!!

The thing is every time he would go out and buy a new batch, or box he never knew what he was going to end up with.  Some boxes of these pellets were different than the next box.  The thing is some boxes had 19 grain Barracuda pellets, while other had 21 grain Barracuda pellets in them…..  There where no markings on the tins to tell what weight pellet he was buying.  So he would by some and if he got the right 21 grain pellets he would go and buy a bunch more, only to find out that he was still getting both 19 and 21 grain pellets.  The only this was, at least in this case the pellets were the same weight in each box, all the 19 were all 19 grains and then 21 grain pellets were all 21 grain in that box.  Talk about making on nuts……   The real problem was not only did the 19 grain pellets shoot to a different POI, but they shot very badly is his 1500 dollar rifle……….

I know that this doesn’t help, but at least you may start to help you under stand the problem….

Jim




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Re: Pellet Head Size
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 05:23:10 AM »
www.pyramydair.com has a really wide selection of pellets under their "ammo" section plus, buy three tins and get a fourth free.

head and skirt size should be the same, or close to the same...up to 0.180" to insure a proper seal in the bore.

i'd say get a really close look at your chamber. coated pellets have been known to leave a residue. some folks say to aviod them and the plastic/PVC/ABS pellets because of that.
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Re: Pellet Head Size
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 11:23:41 AM »
Well, I am not sure where to start, but airgun pellets are 177 caliber and not 172.  However, there head size is different from pellet to pellet, even varies in the same batch.

head and skirt size should be the same, or close to the same...up to 0.180" to insure a proper seal in the bore.

Actually, a select few ".177" pellets actually measure .177, be it head or skirt.  The skirts are typically much larger than .177

I don't know of a single .177 pellet that has the same diameter on both the head, and the skirt.

Here is a chart that shows the head, and skirt diameters of most of the pellets on the market.  Hope it helps.

http://www.straightshooters.com/documents/pelletcomparison.html
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Re: Pellet Head Size
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2009, 02:21:29 PM »
Thanks guys.
Butcher45: Your link was exactly what I was looking for. I believe I will try a tin of Crow Magnums as they are the largest headed hollowpoints.
Also the explanation of the dies makes perfect sense. The Daisy is a 1000 breakbarrel so is "pellets only" as well. I did not mike the skirts as being soft and thin, that would be touchy. I will check my personal caliper against a calibrated one at work and the calibrating blocks there as well(I'm the QA engineer in a test lab) but the comparison of the head sizes is valid.

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Re: Pellet Head Size
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2009, 03:02:20 PM »
note here:

i have pellet sizing dies that go up to 0.1800" and i have ran into some pellets that fit snug in them at first...i don't recall the name brand or model though...
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Re: Pellet Head Size
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2009, 05:27:25 AM »
dwald:

If you have any of the smaller size dies, you can flip them over, and sort your pellets by head size.  Just use them to check what size the head of each pellet is.....   The tail size does not seem to affect accuracy, unless it is really huge or really small or damaged.  I have found pellets that were as or smaller than .16 caliber and larger than .19, and yes these were suppose to be 177 caliber, but then with crosmans I have found 20 caliber pellets in my 177 caliber boxes, so much for their die numbers!

Other than that I don't know why I bother to post, as it seems no one can read anymore, and I am sure some one will get this post wrong too....................

PS I have probably spent more hours actually testing pellets than 5 together of you have spent shooting pellets and if you go by any of the ballistic data that you find on straightshooters web page, you will get what you pay for.   Some guys still test air rifle accuracy and ten meters, need I say more?

That's like thinking everything you read in the gun rags is true, but who pays for these stories, You or the Gun Makers ? 


Have a nice day ;D