Author Topic: Mimimun load for 300 pound hog (Read 2891 times)

mb4859 · « **on:** November 04, 2009, 12:54:58 AM »

If shooting a 10" G2 44 mag with LBT 280 wfn plain base cast bullet, what would be the minimun velocity you would recomend?

drdougrx · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2009, 02:41:56 AM »

1,000FPS....how are you going to measure this?

mb4859 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 04, 2009, 07:53:52 AM »

I don't have a chrony but I guess I can go buy reloading data?

drdougrx · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2009, 10:00:44 AM »

I expect you'd be fine! The longer barrel "should" help you to make or make close to whatever the book velocity is...have fun and post some pics if you get one. I've shot a bunch over 300lb!!

RaySendero · « **Reply #4 on:** November 04, 2009, 12:17:29 PM »

I don't understand

Why would you want to shoot a 300 Lb Hog with a reduced load

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2009, 12:57:28 PM »

Reduced recoil = Reduced load.
Why not use a 240 grain JSP or JHP @1100-1200 FPS (standard Factory)?
The 210 Silver tip is a Reduced load and will work fine out of your gun.

sixshot · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2009, 02:44:55 PM »

Are you getting good results with JHP's on 300 lb hogs?

Dick

drdougrx · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2009, 03:19:23 PM »

FWIW...I did...used a 240gr XTP from a 6" M29 on a 400lb hog and it did VERY well. I was really quite impressed and would use it again!

sixshot · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2009, 03:49:06 PM »

That surprises me a little.....just a little, I know XTP's have a great reputation, I just thought it might be a little soft on a big old muscled hog of the size you guys mention. Good job & post more pictures!

Dick

Ak.Hiker · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2009, 05:09:20 PM »

Not sure how this would relate to penetration on hogs but I did some penetration testing while looking for a reduced recoil load that could be used for animal protection in a 44 Magnum. I used the Winchester 240 grain JSP White Box load to compare penetration and recoil. I found that the Sierra 300 grain bullet with a reduced loading running at about 950 had less recoil and more penetration than the 240 grain JSP factory load when tested in spruce logs. A tough 300 grain bullet like the Sierra JSP or a hard cast at 950 to 1000 is a hard hitting bullet. Even a 45 Auto Rim loaded at 950 with a 250 grain hard cast bullet has some pretty impressive penetration. So I think the 44 Magnum 280 grain cast running at 1000 should be plenty.

mb4859 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 05, 2009, 12:40:07 AM »

Thanks guys, a friend said he would take me hog hunting this year with my new 44 and I'll be ready to start reloading in a couple of weeks and I want to know where to start. Good to hear from people with real experience.

drdougrx · « **Reply #11 on:** November 05, 2009, 01:50:02 AM »

Hi Six,

I was also a bit concerned about the XTP being too soft, but, unwarrented. I used a max load of H110 and the shot was at about 30-ish yards. He hit the deck and hard...I was really surprised. There also wasn't any exit that I could see until the taxidermist and I looked from the inside out through of the nearly 2" of gristle plate. I wish I photographed the thinkness of the plate!!!

So...I'm thinking MB's load would be just fine! Also...MB....are you sure you'll find 300lb-ers?

sixshot · « **Reply #12 on:** November 05, 2009, 05:54:05 AM »

Doug, ever use the 270 Gold Dot, I have used that one on elk with good results but it was only 1 cow, she didn't seem to like it much!

Dick

drdougrx · « **Reply #13 on:** November 05, 2009, 10:08:55 AM »

Hi Six,

I realized that it was available only recently. I just bought some 260gr WFNGC from Cast Precision. I'll get some of the gold dots as well.....i love to experiment!!

mb4859 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 05, 2009, 01:51:28 PM »

All I know is that some of my friends have killed larger than 300 lbs. at this location. Personally I want to shoot a 50 to 100 pounder to take home and eat, but I probably would shoot a larger one if it presents itself. They are begging us to shoot any hogs we see. As in most places they are destroying the hunting grounds.

drdougrx · « **Reply #15 on:** November 05, 2009, 02:13:45 PM »

MB ... good for you...let us know how you do!

Ak.Hiker · « **Reply #16 on:** November 05, 2009, 07:24:47 PM »

Bullet testing out of my old Ruger 44 Magnum Carbine the 270 grain Speer Gold Dot was a very impressive bullet. They are bonded with a small amount of lead exposed on the tip.

Graybeard · « **Reply #17 on:** November 06, 2009, 02:13:58 AM »

I've shot exactly one hog with the Hornady 300XTP in .44 magnum. I likely won't do that again. It got the job done but in the process lost the jacket and failed to penetrate very deeply. The shot was head on between the eyes about 15' or so from my toes. Bullet was found minus jacket in hog's right shoulder just under the skin so it had taken a turn and stopped. The only bone hit that I could see was the skull.

On another wounded hog I followed up on with a .41 Magnum using 210 XTPs penetration was dismal at best and many shots were required but I finally got enough lead into him to slow him down enough to get close and put one between the eyes to finish him.

From now on I'll use heavy hard casts on hogs. I'm sure that had the hogs been cooperative enough to allow me a side shot to the head or neck both XTP bullets would have performed well but that's the problem with hog hunting you can't be sure what shot angle will be presented so using something that will penetrate well from the angle presented is important.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 06, 2009, 02:28:21 AM »

Hard cast 300 gr, is what I would use.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #19 on:** November 06, 2009, 02:36:27 AM »

What load will give you a 1000 foot lbs energy at the distance you wish to shoot your hog ? That would be the bare min. for me .

drdougrx · « **Reply #20 on:** November 06, 2009, 06:02:53 AM »

I'm hearing you GB....all I had was XTPs. I've got some hard cast on order for both the 44 and the 41. I've still gotta front site issue that I have to sort out.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #21 on:** November 06, 2009, 10:26:56 AM »

I had same problem of 240 Federal 44 mag Hydro Shock bullets loosing their jackets.
as we were shooting down the farm road at a target I found the jackets at about 30 yards on the road.
Stopped shooting them.
With the 240's in either Soft point or Hollow i have never felt under gunned with my 44 pistol or rifle.
They changed the rules where I shot this pig and we have to use no lead. i was not able to get any for the revolver in time to practice with them before the hunt.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #22 on:** November 07, 2009, 02:47:44 AM »

A buddy of mine runs a pig hunting operation and has seen about every jacketed handgun bullet fail at one time or another. He will tell you though hes never seen a cast bullet put in the right spot fail.

bigoledude · « **Reply #23 on:** November 08, 2009, 06:58:45 PM »

I wish I had more practical experience to offer. All of my hog kills have come with buckshot to the neck at under 30 yards or, with a 30-06, 180gr right through the shoulder or into the ear-hole. My only attempt with a .44mag, was with my Marlin 1894 with a 240gr jacketed bullet. It was hit in the shield area, mud flew, and it ran off. Never found it so, can't comment any further.

I have read hundreds of posts on several websites where a jacketed bullet has failed. There have been many many posts on hollow-point bullets, jacketed or otherwise, performing badly. I can't remember any posts where a hard-cast bullet failed due to poor performance inside the target animal. Why would anyone be willing to gamble with ammunition that has a highER probability of failure?

I'm now preparing to hunt with my recently acquired Redhawk .44mag with 5 1/2 inch barrel and, will be using hard-cast 280gr. Wide-Flat-Nose or Long-Flat-Nosed bullets at about 1200fps. Yes, that is my minimum for handgun.

Ole Man Dan · « **Reply #24 on:** November 09, 2009, 03:24:29 AM »

240 or heavier 'Hard Cast' @ 1000fps or greater.

Hank08 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 09, 2009, 01:13:40 PM »

A cast bullet as heavy and as fast as you can shoot it accurately. A 315 FPGC @ around 1300 works for me and even a 200 pounder sometimes will take several of these. Your right ,a 50 to 60 pounder will usually be good eating. Some of the older ones have caused wifes to throw away the frying pan after trying to cook them. In a 10" contender it won't take a very heavy load to get to 1000 fps.
H08

Tonk · « **Reply #26 on:** November 11, 2009, 05:42:01 AM »

First off on a Big HOG, I want lots of penetration clean out the other side for a blood trail if it comes to that ok. Now those XTP bullets are just fine for any deer or small hog, javelina etc but I would not use them on a "big porker" in the bush.

I have had the XTP slip their jackets when pushed to fast.....over 1500 fps out of a big bore rifle. I like and do favor those Beartooth Bullets (hardcast) with a large metplate for big porkers. I am itching to hunt a large hog with my .460 Smith & Wesson, Pile-Driver bullets and no scope.

ccoker · « **Reply #27 on:** November 11, 2009, 09:47:53 AM »

shot a few hogs with a 44, 255g Keith at about 1250 will punch clean through both shoulders and take out the heart
aim just a bit low of center
expect it to run 40 yards... and as long as you had a good kit, it's a good clean kill

Tonk · « **Reply #28 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:29:27 AM »

Ccoker I used to have a local fella near me who made up a lot of those Keith bullets, lead was cheap and easy to come by in those days. Well, he has passed on to that big hunting ground in the sky and it is hard to find those type bullets. Somebody told me to check out "Missouri Bullets" guess I'll give that a try soon. I been using Beartooth Bullets but those are not cheap anymore either!

ccoker · « **Reply #29 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:51:14 AM »

I got mine from Leadhead
fast delivery, priced well and they are accurate
I just checked his site, they are 250g, PM44-250, sized at .430 for my Smith