Author Topic: Older Inlines (Read 2737 times)

Stuart C. · « **on:** November 04, 2009, 06:17:35 AM »

Hi,
I noticed on Chuck Hawks that the reviews weren't too good on the Rem 700 nor the newer Knight KRB-7. I haven't shot either but I am looking at buying a used inline soon, and at first glance these seem to be good tools for the job.

What do you think of these two models, or what other models would you recommend I consider when looking at used inlines?

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2009, 06:21:57 AM »

Look who wrote those articles

rebAL · « **Reply #2 on:** November 04, 2009, 01:21:37 PM »

Why buy used? You can get a CVA Wolf for $150. IMHO these new break open rifles are better & more accurate than older types and cheaper than many used ones.

Keith Lewis · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2009, 03:13:01 PM »

The KRB7 is a great rifle but has a definate problem if you want to shoot the new Blackhorn 209 powder. It just will not reliably ignite the powder. Any other sub or real black is fine. The rifle will definately shoot accurately although any of the rifles made since the early 90's will also. Even some of the older rifles are reliable although I would stay with something relatively new. As mentioned a lot of the new rifles are available at very low cost and will shoot well. A lot depends on what and where you intend to hunt. Some states have restrictions on what is legal. Also a lot depends on your own preference. Some rifles just fit better and feel right while others do not but are great for someone else.

sabotloader · « **Reply #4 on:** November 04, 2009, 03:30:05 PM »

Stuart C.
Just my opinion - but the Remington 700ml was one of the best ML made at the time... I have three of them here and can not imgine selling them - even though at this point I only use then occasionally...

simonkenton · « **Reply #5 on:** November 05, 2009, 03:04:34 AM »

If you want an old classic inline this is it!
The Knight Wolverine.

http://www.yeoldearcheryshoppe.com/knight-wolverine-p-7166.html

You can't beat this, a NIB Wolverine for $110.

Underclocked · « **Reply #6 on:** November 05, 2009, 04:48:24 AM »

Only by a little - but they are 22" barrel models I think. Monthly flyer at http://www.finfeatherfuroutfitters.com/ .

Busta · « **Reply #7 on:** November 05, 2009, 06:16:10 AM »

Not only is the price better at FFF, it also includes the fiber optic sights. The one at YOAS does not include sights at $10 more. Both are the 22" barreled models.

http://www.finfeatherfuroutfitters.com/wolverine-50-cal-p-20254.html

Stuart C. · « **Reply #8 on:** November 05, 2009, 06:40:58 AM »

Thanks for the great info.

I know of a slightly used KRB7 that I'll check out.
Wow, the Wolverine looks excellent at an amazing price.

Why do the ads mention that the Wolverine is good for the "novice muzzleloader"??

Which of the two (KRB7 or Wolverine) will be better in the long term - since parts and repair will not be available??

Thanks again!!!

Swampman · « **Reply #9 on:** November 05, 2009, 07:16:43 AM »

I love my Remington 700ML it's amazing with modern sabots & patched round balls. The bolt action Knights are all awesome. I don't care for T/Cs modern stuff. I wouldn't own a CVA/Traditions if it were free.

Randy W. is dead on about the spanish made guns, but he missed the mark on the Remington 700ML.

Stuart C. · « **Reply #10 on:** November 05, 2009, 08:24:31 AM »

Your fast twist 700 ML shoots roundballs well?
What load?
Thanks!

Swampman · « **Reply #11 on:** November 05, 2009, 08:48:20 AM »

80 grains of Pyrodex RS or 3f Goex and a .490 pillow ticking patched ball will shoot one ragged hole at 50 yards.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #12 on:** November 05, 2009, 09:48:41 AM »

Randy is dead wrong about cva's. In fact he wont even do a write up on cva's new bergara barrel because even he knows its high quality.

Swampman · « **Reply #13 on:** November 05, 2009, 10:58:13 AM »

Then why do they only put them on the very expensive CVA models. Is it ok to put the dangerous barrels on the rifles that are sold to the masses? No Junkrs for me thanks.

Randy recently received the Muzzleloader Editor of the Year Award......."Randy Wakeman deserves recognition for his contributions to muzzleloading and muzzleloading safety over the years. Randy is Guns and Shooting Online's Senior Editor and he has done more than anyone else to make Guns and Shooting Online the Internet's "gold standard" when it comes to timely and accurate information about modern muzzleloader shooting and hunting. Congratulations, Randy, for a job well done!"

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #14 on:** November 05, 2009, 11:15:48 AM »

they are on the cva elkhorn, cva optima, optima pro, Optima Elite* which you can get for $250 and under brand new* kodiak, kodiak pro. Accura * Starts at $280* And the new apex ( muzzleloader,shotgun, centerfire in all for $450 with black stock and a stainless barrel, along with an adjustable trigger*

Most of us know where your nose is on randy wakeman.

No junkers for you.... But you shoot Remington?

Swampman · « **Reply #15 on:** November 05, 2009, 11:25:32 AM »

I'd consider a Knight but they were put out of business by the floods of cheap/dangerous imports dumped on unsuspecting novices by Walmart at the end of every muzzleloading season. I have medical insurance but sitting in the emergency room with an improperly threaded/cracked breechplug sticking out of your forehead really cuts into your hunting time.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #16 on:** November 05, 2009, 11:30:49 AM »

no, knight was put out of business because they discontinued good selling rifles. The revolution, vision, krb were failures. TC and CVA sell products because they are great quality and backed with excellent customer service/warranty.

Swampman · « **Reply #17 on:** November 05, 2009, 11:37:39 AM »

If Knight designs were bad why did CVA clone everyone of them?

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #18 on:** November 05, 2009, 11:43:14 AM »

when a design is functional and works good, All thats left to do is improve on things built around the original design. And knight has many cases of copying under their belt. Its even on randys scare tactic website.

Its safe to say that knights KP1 was a sorry copy of tc's encore.

Leave it be swampman, you know as well as i do that you're just nit picking until a moderator locks this topic. You got a long record of doing this. And from the sound of it, you're walking a thin line on this forum.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 05, 2009, 12:35:16 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on November 05, 2009, 07:16:43 AM

Randy W. is dead on about the spanish made guns, but he missed the mark on the Remington 700ML.

Oh, come on. Randy Wakeman may have done more muzzleloading than I have - he's a semi-professional, right? - but he's a clueless bleat when it comes to CVA rifles. He's a shill with a prejudice and mission.

I've owned two, they've both worked fine. Killed deer with both. Many times. Neither ever blew up. Of course, I never stuffed them with a double charge and a ramrod, either. Bang.

I paid 80 bucks for the Buckhorn at a Walmart post-season sale about four years ago. Great stock, great trigger, dead deer. What's not to like, esp. considering outlay?

DennyRoark · « **Reply #20 on:** November 05, 2009, 01:46:04 PM »

Read enough of Randy's articles and you can start to see a pattern of who's paying the bills. IMHO!

simonkenton · « **Reply #21 on:** November 06, 2009, 09:25:31 AM »

I can't get the FFF link to come up but I will take y'alls word for it. A NIB Wolverine for 100 bucks that is too good of a deal to believe.
This is such a rugged and reliable gun that you probably wouldn't need any parts, if you were just using it for hunting/normal use. Just get a good stockpile of those red plastic jackets for the primer, that is the only thing I dislike about this gun.

Years ago these guns were selling new for 200 bucks, and more, so this is really a steal.

Here is an online review of the Wolverine:
The Economy Choice: The Knight Wolverine 209

The Knight LK-93 has been a popular choice for over ten years now, with the same basic action as Tony Knight's "original modern inline," the MK-85. The Wolverine was the first Knight to have barrel and receiver made from one block of steel, an integral design now found in all Knight Rifles.

The Wolverine 209 continues on quite nimbly today, augmented by Knight's full red plastic jacket that weatherproofs the action and reduces blowback. Current Wolverines offer the same "factory adjustable for free triggers" found on the most expensive Knights, with a array of configurations very few muzzleloaders can match: thumbhole, camo, youth, and even left-handed solid synthetic stocks, .45 or .50 caliber, and either 22" or 26" blued or stainless Green Mountain barrels.

It has Knight's sub 2-1/2" accuracy guarantee, though most shoot far better out of the box, and less than 1 MOA is not rare. Ian McMurchy's extensive tests showed 1.33 to 1.53 inch average five shot group sizes.

The street prices vary from around $199 to $299. This gun proves that you need not spend a lot of cash to have a reliable, weatherproof modern muzzleloader with a great trigger, backed by a strong USA company with excellent customer support.

For all the reasons mentioned, there is no reason to settle for less than the Knight Wolverine 209, an all-American classic. Some feel that despite its affordable pricing, you aren't settling for less of anything at all, and I can't argue with that.

Busta · « **Reply #22 on:** November 06, 2009, 06:57:35 PM »

simonkenton,

Click on my link, the one below underclocked, it will take you directly to it.

AndyHass · « **Reply #23 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:31:00 AM »

Randy probably got that award from the people who pay him to write his drivel. If he is REALLY worthy of such recognition, why can't he show his face anywhere that he needs to interact with people about ML anymore? Because his is an arrogant bully who can't back up his allegations when called to do so. His logic on the whole proof-marking thing is laughable to anyone who takes a moment to understand it.

Say I have Bridge A located in Country X and Bridge B located in Country Y. Country X mandates that all bridges be tested by parking one semi on them, so that is what is done. Country Y mandates that all bridges be tested by parking two semis on them, so that is what is done. Both pass the tests required by law in their respective countries.

Now Randy would scream and holler that Bridge A is unsafe!! It only held one semi and the bridges could have two semis on them at a time! This is an absurd claim, because in reality we find that the designers of both bridges over-engineered them to hold FOUR semis. The testing was only a legal technicality unrelated to what the structure was designed to do. Apparently that is too complex for Randy...or, more likely, he had a financial incentive to pretend it was.

I quit taking reviews and recommendations from TV/magazines years ago. None of them are unbiased. That is why I come here and other boards to get the opinions of users not paid for what they say.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #24 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:41:45 AM »

What twist rate is a REM. 700ML ? 28in per turn ? 26 maybe ? Asking I don't remember .

sabotloader · « **Reply #25 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:00:13 AM »

SHOOTALL

Quote

What twist rate is a REM. 700ML ?

1/28 for all calibers...

Swampman · « **Reply #26 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:03:29 AM »

No testing is done on spanish made muzzleloaders.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #27 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:36:16 AM »

prove it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #28 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:41:17 AM »

I in28 and it shoots round balls into one ragged hole, FANTASTIC !
and to think most believe to do that it takes a 1 in 66 twist .

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #29 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:41:37 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on November 12, 2009, 08:03:29 AM

No testing is done on spanish made muzzleloaders.

You can quote us the laws concerning Spains firearms industry in regard to this?