Author Topic: Golf balls size steel balls-now available (Read 17960 times)

RocklockI · « **Reply #90 on:** November 17, 2009, 04:01:02 AM »

I've been ordering 50 at a time . So put me down for 50 . It maybe some time B4 I need them as my ammo bucket runith over right now .

WOW ! 1 BUCK ea

. Good work DD !

Double D · « **Reply #91 on:** November 17, 2009, 04:12:55 AM »

Oops theis cam up at a page break. I'll repeat is so it doesn't get lost in the change

Quote from: Double D on November 17, 2009, 03:30:42 AM

The offer Fox is making us just came in and here it is:

Carbon steel forged balls 42.8 mm (1.685 in.)
Smooth and round – tolerance +/- 0.001 mm
$1.00 each + freight
approx 80 days to produce and have them in stock.

If you are interested and would purchase these balls and you haven't said so yet, please say so now and say how many you are interested in. I need to give Fox some numbers to convince them to make these.

Spuddy, you both said yep, how many is yep?

Soot · « **Reply #92 on:** November 17, 2009, 04:44:27 AM »

I said 25 in my first post but for $1.00 each I'll buy 50.

1Southpaw · « **Reply #93 on:** November 17, 2009, 05:26:06 AM »

I'm in for 50 , 100 if need be.

Parrott-Cannon · « **Reply #94 on:** November 17, 2009, 08:45:50 AM »

I will take 100.

GGaskill · « **Reply #95 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:23:59 AM »

Is there going to be a minimum order quantity?

jeeper1 · « **Reply #96 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:25:54 AM »

At a dollar a piece, I am positive I want 100 and a cannon to go with my mortar, too.

seacoastartillery · « **Reply #97 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:45:06 AM »

   Mike and I are still in for 100, and considering how much shooting we will have to do next spring and early summer to be able to come close to the results you smooth bore cannon shooters out there are getting, probably a 100 pc. re-order will necessary as well.

   Well it looks like our little challenge to the steel ball maker worked out quite well. Not only did he drop the separate callout for ball form, the roundness callout, which allowed egg shaped balls to the tune of .0167", but he also tightened up the size tolerance by a factor of ten. Per Double D it is now +/- 0.001mm which translates to 1.685+/- .000039". Plus or minus 39 millionths puts these ball squarely in the precision category AND dropping the separate callout for roundness means that General Rule #1 per ANSI Y14.5M 1994, 1982, or 1973 takes over and basically says if Size only is controlled, then form, ( a single cylindrical surface, a single spherical surface and an object between two parallel planes) is also controlled within the limits specified for size alone.

   This is very good news for us as shooters, because a more perfect ball flies more truly to the bullseye! There is absolutely no need to thank us; we were more than happy to challenge DD's stated info from the manufacturer, in a nice way, of course. At this time we think a debt of gratitude is owed DD for the work he has done to develop this new source of target ammo. Thanks DD! And thanks to Gary for finding them initially.

Challenges to technology do not always work out very well as we learned in that old David Bowie song:

   Ground control to Major Tom Ground control to Major Tom:
(First) Take your protein pills and put your helmet on
   Ground control to Major Tom: Commencing countdown engine's on
   Check ig-nition and may God's love be with you

   Ground control to Major Tom:
   Your circuit's dead, there's something wrong.
(Final) Can you hear me Major Tom?
   Can you hear me Major Tom?
   Can you hear me Major Tom? Can you ...

   Here am I floating round my tin can, far above the moon
   Planet Earth is blue and there's nothing I can do

We do think that trying, trying, trying is worthwhile though, despite the risks.

Tracy and Mike

Double D · « **Reply #98 on:** November 17, 2009, 11:12:52 AM »

Quote from: GGaskill on November 17, 2009, 09:23:59 AM

Is there going to be a minimum order quantity?

No minimum order. $1 each plus shipping

GGaskill · « **Reply #99 on:** November 17, 2009, 11:44:02 AM »

Carbon steel forged balls 42.8 mm (1.685 in.)
Smooth and round – tolerance +/- 0.001 mm
$1.00 each + freight
approx 80 days to produce and have them in stock.

You sure about that tolerance figure?? Do we order them direct from Fox? Order now or what?

Cat Whisperer · « **Reply #100 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:17:53 PM »

Quote from: seacoastartillery on November 16, 2009, 04:11:23 PM

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Let me ask you this Tim, does a roundness tolerance of.0168" suit you fine as well?

T&M

It's OK.

Double D · « **Reply #101 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:21:25 PM »

Yes that is the tolerance given by Fox.

No don't order yet. I will tell you when.

I had an email from Ken this afternoon and he is satisfied that there is a demand. He is going to proceed with the manufacture and they should be available in about 80 days. He will let me know and I will let you know and you will order direct from Fox.

1Southpaw · « **Reply #102 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:21:54 PM »

70 lbs in a 10$+ uspo box should be the cheapest way for small orders . How many balls in 70 lbs ?

where is our resident engineer ? How many steel balls would fit in a 11"x8.5"x5.5" Priority Mail box ?

Cat Whisperer · « **Reply #103 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:27:47 PM »

Quote from: Double D on November 16, 2009, 04:31:32 PM

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Roundness is not a linear measurment, it speaks to the Circularity of the object.

Yes. In ANSI Y14.5M (Geometric Dimensioning and Tolerancing), roundness and circularity are two terms for the same thing.

GGaskill · « **Reply #104 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:30:28 PM »

How many steel balls would fit in a 11"x8.5"x5.5" Priority Mail box?

Are those the interior dimensions or exterior?

You can get at least 90 pieces in that box, maybe more. Each ball will weigh about 11 ounces so that would be 990 ounces or about 62 pounds. The postman's friend. I doubt the box would survive without reinforcement. Maybe that is the USPS's trick to keep people from shipping really heavy loads for the flat rate.

Cat Whisperer · « **Reply #105 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:47:42 PM »

perhaps 3 layers of 30.

We get magnets shipped in boxes of about that size.

The boxes are lined with .050" steel. Top and bottom plates, one piece wrapping the other 4 sides. Thin, very strong.

Wooden crate around it would be better.

RocklockI · « **Reply #106 on:** November 17, 2009, 01:20:42 PM »

The balls I have ordered from Fox where shipped in a nice little black plastic bucket that is sealed from Fox .

Then the balls were polished and 1.50 ea the cost to my door was 101 and change with shipping .

I live in Co. ,so that might help with your......cognitaionsages

. but proly notly .

It is my belief that 15.804913205 zillion angels can dance on the head of a pin ! ? And I could be wrong .

But that is my guess ,and I'm sticking to it . wait ,wait ,wait ....I have changed the last place from "....3205 ...to 3203.5 Thats shinintific notafacationtalisum . (Thats a good ONE)

Gary

Evil Dog · « **Reply #107 on:** November 17, 2009, 01:28:45 PM »

Quote from: RocklockI on November 17, 2009, 01:20:42 PM

It is my belief that 15.804913205 zillion angels can dance on the head of a pin ! ? And I could be wrong .

But that is my guess ,and I'm sticking to it . wait ,wait ,wait ....I have changed the last place from "....3205 ...to 3203.5 Thats shinintific notafacationtalisum . (Thats a good ONE)

Gary

Hey Gary.... ya can't change 15.804913205 to 15.804913203.5, just too many decimal points. It would have to be more like 15.804913203 1/2

1Southpaw · « **Reply #108 on:** November 17, 2009, 01:42:20 PM »

interior dimensions .... So say 90 balls @ 1.00 and 10.50 for shipping would be a good deal !

Plus they could be used for "Shooters " in 9 pocket marble games

little seacoast · « **Reply #109 on:** November 17, 2009, 01:57:01 PM »

That IS a great price, gonna give up trying to cast acceptable zinc balls and just buy Fox's. May have to spring for a metal detector to help "recycle" my stash too.
Thanks a million Ken!

Cpt Ed · « **Reply #110 on:** November 17, 2009, 01:58:36 PM »

DD:

You can still count me in for an initial 100 carbon steel cannon balls.

Cpt Ed

RocklockI · « **Reply #111 on:** November 17, 2009, 02:15:02 PM »

Quote from: Evil Dog on November 17, 2009, 01:28:45 PM

Quote from: RocklockI on November 17, 2009, 01:20:42 PM
It is my belief that 15.804913205 zillion angels can dance on the head of a pin ! ? And I could be wrong .

But that is my guess ,and I'm sticking to it . wait ,wait ,wait ....I have changed the last place from "....3205 ...to 3203.5 Thats shinintific notafacationtalisum . (Thats a good ONE)

Gary

Hey Gary.... ya can't change 15.804913205 to 15.804913203.5, just too many decimal points. It would have to be more like 15.804913203 1/2

Evil Dog , I rechecked the figures ,,,, Believe IT OR NOT YOU ARE RIGHT ! I stand corrected

Spuddy · « **Reply #112 on:** November 17, 2009, 03:44:02 PM »

Good Job on the coordination DD. Yep = 100 balls for me.

Double D · « **Reply #113 on:** November 18, 2009, 09:26:02 AM »

This from Ken this morining:

We generally use UPS or TNT we have an account and they come to us for pick up every day – no charge.
There is no domestic DHL anymore.
Fedex charges an additional $13.00 for each time they pick up.

Because of the weights involved – we have been using plastic pails (then the pails in boxes)
Just a cardboard box may open from weight, or get wet – balls are lost.
100 balls would be at least 70/lbs – a lot to put in their cardboard box.
Unless you mark fragile and pay for special handling – the boxes will get tossed around on conveyor belts, etc.
And if they are heavy – may get damaged.

100 balls – 70/lbs to 59427 by UPS is approx $65.00

Double D · « **Reply #114 on:** November 18, 2009, 12:01:59 PM »

Southpaw was just here. On the way over here Ernie stopped by a repair shop where they repair pumps for the Oil patch. These pumps use a steel ball as check valve. When the pumps are repaired the balls are changed out. These balls are all chrome plated. Ernie found out that a new 1 11/16" diameter ball to repair one of these pumps is $20.

seacoastartillery · « **Reply #115 on:** November 18, 2009, 12:24:27 PM »

Very interesting about the cost of that check valve ball, DD. Part of the increased cost for that type is heat treating and part is the precision grinding, part is the more expensive material and part of the increase is the plating process. Mike and I are very familiar with this type ball.

We and Cpt. Ed DO NOT want this type ball as it is unnecessary for our use. Below is one of the carbon steel, un-plated, media balls purchased by Rocklock1 one year ago. This ball was recovered from our high plains range north of Denver after being fired in sabot experiments in early December of 2008. It was recovered by us approx. two months later, after we found it at 850 yards from the firing line. The amount of rust, for this brief exposure, indicates a carbon steel ball rather than a moly, chrome or vanadium alloy ball, all of which are more expensive. The rust also proves you are not paying for a chrome plating process.

Mike and I can't wait to get some of these, because, as many of you know, we love any excuse to go shooting!

Mike and Tracy

Don Krag · « **Reply #116 on:** November 20, 2009, 12:29:53 PM »

At least a dozen for me...maybe more depending on shipping costs.

I got my breech/chamber plug shipped in a flat rate box. 6" dia x 6" long 4140. Postwoman made me come out to the truck and get it myself.

I shoot greased-cotton patched, 1" hardened grinding media balls out my 1.1". I love shooting them...just watch for bouncebacks!

Cpt Ed · « **Reply #117 on:** November 23, 2009, 10:13:02 AM »

DD:

I told one of the other cannoneers at the Sunday Hernando Cannon shoot about the Fox Industries steel balls.

This gentleman has one of Dom’s French 75’s in GB size. He indicated to me that he would be in for 200 carbon steel balls for his cannon when they are available.

Double D · « **Reply #118 on:** November 23, 2009, 11:06:05 AM »

I think we have clearly shown Fox there is a market. They have committed to making them for us. They should be avaialble in about 80 days.

Keep watching here for the announcement and let others know.

intoodeep · « **Reply #119 on:** November 23, 2009, 11:47:04 AM »

You can put me down for 100 pcs.

Poll

If golf ball size steel balls were available would you buy them?

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