Author Topic: JAG lawyer-Major Hasan (Read 2678 times)

Dee · « **Reply #30 on:** November 12, 2009, 12:46:23 AM »

I don't think Obama is too concerned about public opinion, he just turned down ALL OPTIONS (4) concerning plans for Afghanistan.

alsaqr · « **Reply #31 on:** November 12, 2009, 01:57:47 AM »

A military court-martial is nothing like a civilian criminal court. Unless Obama or someone in his administration usurps his authority; the CG of Ft. Hood will order a general courts martial to convene to try Hasan. There will be no TV or sensationalistic shenanigans that go on for months like the OJ trial did. The entire process will most likely take less than one week.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #32 on:** November 12, 2009, 02:25:46 AM »

I have not read all here BUT , as far as looking ones self in the face - how could we kill another human and not give him the best defense aval. ? If after a fair trial he is proved guilty then punishment can be given with out any feeling of guilt on our part as a socity . If we do less we are no better than him . As far as the lawyer , if he is honest he will have to reach beyond his personal desire to destory the animal that hurt a fellow soilder and American and do his job as well as it could be done so it can never be said it was a rigged court .
If in the end he makes some money good for him , he lucked out .
If there is a shame here its is the failure of 4 9mm bullets !

Dee · « **Reply #33 on:** November 12, 2009, 02:55:39 AM »

Just on the news a few minutes ago. There is not a living MILITARY prosecutor that has prosecuted a DEATH PENALTY CASE.
AND! This poor ole under paid Jag Lawyer is JUST HAPPENS TO BE, ONE OF THE BEST EVER, at getting charges reduced for his clients, and has the HISTORY TO PROVE IT.
I am just shocked at this news.

SSDD!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #34 on:** November 12, 2009, 02:59:28 AM »

Decisions to make , do we pray for the court to be true or medical complications ?

Dee · « **Reply #35 on:** November 12, 2009, 03:05:25 AM »

There will be much fact twisting, and deal making, in and out of the court room, and most of it will be in someones office, out of sight. AS ALWAYS. Some will defend it, but it is business as usual.
If you "catch a dog killing chickens" is there need for additional evidence and witnesses, and question the dogs motives while ignoring the dead chickens? NO! You have your trial, BASED ON FACTS, and then load the shotgun. After all, the dog IS WHAT HE IS.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #36 on:** November 12, 2009, 03:14:36 AM »

Dee I am trying to be objective here and you keep spouting out facts !
OK you win what shells can i pass ya .

gypsyman · « **Reply #37 on:** November 12, 2009, 03:17:29 AM »

I'll go to the store and get some pigs blood for the bullets. gypsyman

Dee · « **Reply #38 on:** November 12, 2009, 03:30:52 AM »

Don't need any. My whole basis is, from past experiences of court dealings. Not just my cases, and in fact, MOSTLY not my cases. Lawyers spout out all kinds of legal jargon concerning Constitutional amendments, fair trials, and so on, but the fact of the matter IS, they are paid a lot of money to get GUILTY FOLKS OFF, and the shake the system up, and twist things because they agreed to try and get him off. That's what they were paid to do.
Now I'm all for fighting if your innocent, and true enough, occasionally the system fails, and an innocent man or woman goes to jail.
BUT! In this case, it will be a matter of TEMPORARY INSANITY, and it will cost the taxpayers millions for a case of 13 murders, and 30+ wounded. If I am wrong, I will be shocked.
On another thread our friend AtlLaw told a story once about a perspective client asking: How good are you?
AtlLaw responded: (forgive me AtlLaw I am paraphrasing if I get a little off) I'm so good, I could get General Sherman off with an Atlanta Jury.
This is nothing more than an example of how the game is ACTUALLY played. AtlLaw was being honest. He will give his client his best. Regardless!

myronman3 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:43:50 AM »

say what you want, but if you dont believe this guy deserves a fair trial, then you dont believe in the right of free speech, the right to keep and bear, and on, and on, and on. it is one way or the other. you cant have it both ways.
you start deciding which american deserves rights and which ones do not, it is a slippery slope. pretty soon your @$$ is the one who has no rights because of popular opinion. like it or not, the guy lived. and in our system, there is a process. the d.c. sniper was put to death, and this guy will be too.
so many of you make predictions and as time passes, you are proven wrong. i remember alot of people here said "king george" would never leave office. look how accurate that prediction was.

BBF · « **Reply #40 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:29:29 AM »

I watched the Phil Spector trial that ended up in a hung jury with a whole bunch of highly paid experts coming up with the most off the wall BS that tried to explain the murder as a suicide and managed to have one jury member hold out on a guilty verdict. This didn't happen on the following trial and Mr. Spector is sitting in a cell.

This kind of BS isn't going to even come out of the hangar much less fly in a Court Marshall. I want to see the lawyer who can successfully cast doubt on the testimony of a large number of soldiers and LEO's to a jury of military officers.

Wether or not the CIC will sign the death penalty is another matter, depends on the behind the scene advice he gets. He will not be facing the electorate in 2010 but a good number of democrats will.

Dee · « **Reply #41 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:31:20 AM »

myronman3, where in my post did I say the man shouldn't get a fair trial? Where did I say that? Point it out to me PLEASE.
Is your idea of a fair trial, twisting the truth, and "claiming the man was deranged" when the evidence of his Muslim extremeist affiliations are already screaming over the news? Even Fox News is predicting exactly what I have already said. Do you think Fox News is incourageing a LYNCHING?
Is your idea of a fair trial, attacking the victims credibility, when the whole world knows what he did?
Is your idea of a fair trial, claiming he was stessed out, and didn't know what he was doing, or like some are already saying, he was suffering for PTSD, and he's never pulled a trigger in a combat zone.
Please explain YOUR version of a fair trial.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #42 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:34:01 AM »

Anyone who kills another in cold blood is either stressed out or insane and it should not be a defense .

billy_56081 · « **Reply #43 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:50:28 AM »

DEE I'm not sure no one having defended a death penalty case in the military. But I believe that SSGT. Hasan Akbar, the person who attacked a command tent with a grenade and rifle at the beginning of the Iraq war has been tried, convicted and sentenced to death. Who were his prosecution team and defence team?

dukkillr · « **Reply #44 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:52:23 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on November 12, 2009, 06:50:28 AM

DEE I'm not sure no one having defended a death penalty case in the military. But I believe that SSGT. Hasan Akbar, the person who attacked a command tent with a grenade and rifle at the beginning of the Iraq war has been tried, convicted and sentenced to death. Who were his prosecution team and defence team?

He was sentenced to death, that is correct.

Dee · « **Reply #45 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:09:10 AM »

I remember the incident, but did not hear the results. I just repeated what the news media is saying concerning the army prosecutors and the death penalty.
The way I have portrayed the up coming trial is also now being predicted by Fox News also. It is not an uncommon view exclusive to me alone.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #46 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:18:13 AM »

Do you think they will use Militant Islam as a mental defect defense?

myronman3 · « **Reply #47 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:19:48 AM »

dee, i dont like the way that stuff goes any more than you do. but, it is part of our system. i like to think that when that stuff happens, people see it as appauling as i do and it works against the defendant. maybe so, maybe not. but either way it is part of the system.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #48 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:21:59 AM »

The way this topic is going it would not suprise in the least for them to say he was exersising his religious freedom when shooting folks and walk away scott free .

billy_56081 · « **Reply #49 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:47:31 AM »

Shootall I don't think if he was freed he would walk to far at all. The cretin is probably safer where he is right now.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #50 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:49:23 AM »

BBF · « **Reply #51 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:29:00 AM »

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He was sentenced to death, that is correct.
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Has the sentence been carried out??

torpedoman · « **Reply #52 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:39:20 AM »

because he is a citizen the charge should be TREASON, with murder charges added, I may have missed one but as I recall the last military execution was pvt. slovack executed under ikes watch in europe for desertion, the method was firing squad.

Skunk · « **Reply #53 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:59:11 AM »

Quote from: torpedoman on November 12, 2009, 08:39:20 AM

I may have missed one but as I recall the last military execution was pvt. slovack executed under ikes watch in europe for desertion, the method was firing squad.

TorpedoMan,

I'm not absolutly sure, but I'm thinking the last military execution was on April 13, 1961, when U.S. Army Private, John A. Bennett, was hanged after being convicted of rape and attempted murder. I think they hanged him at Ft. Levenworth.

flintman · « **Reply #54 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:06:03 AM »

I think he will be hung.That would be a uniquely American punishment,would it not?
Lawyers?Just glad that I am not one.I cannot deal with the bad parts of life so well.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #55 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:40:13 AM »

I think there are actually 2 soldiers currently on death row. Ssgt. Akbar and I think there is another who was convicted of rape and murder also awaiting execution.

Skunk · « **Reply #56 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:51:58 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on November 12, 2009, 09:40:13 AM

I think there are actually 2 soldiers currently on death row. Ssgt. Akbar and I think there is another who was convicted of rape and murder also awaiting execution.

Well, I'm not absolutely sure Billy,

but I'm thinking that AKbar is only one of Nine total soldiers currently sitting on death row:

1. Kenneth Parker
2. Ronald Gray
3. Dwight J. Loving
4. Asan Akbar
5. Andrew Witt

These fellows are on death row awaiting retrial, re-sentencing, or where court ordered reversal is not yet final:

6. Wade L. Walker
7. Jessie Quintanilla
8. James T. Murphy
9. William Kreutzer

Sourdough · « **Reply #57 on:** November 12, 2009, 10:18:06 AM »

My wife while on active duty was a paralegal. One of her assignments was to the Area Defense Council. That is the attorney that defends military members when they are on trial. It was a whole new world for her, she had always worked for the prosecution. Now her job was to defend the people on trial. Her Boss explained it to her as Damage control. While they may be able to get some off, there is some that are so guilty they are going to be convicted. The evidence is just too great. In these cases their job is to get the lightest sentence possible.

That is one thing an attorney has to do when he starts a practice. Whether the person is guilty or not should never enter his mind. His job is to do the best he can for his client.

Being associated with the legal field and the justice system for so many years, I actually have more respect for the Defense attorneys than I have for the prosecution. I have seen so many dirty tricks pulled by the prosecutors, just looking for a conviction. To them everyone is guilty, otherwise you would not be here.

Now on this case, I am hoping our Muslim president will not bring any pressure to bear on this case. And that political correctness can be forgotten. I feel he needs to be sent to death row. My fear is that all the nonsense about him being persecuted, or being placed in the wrong job, will not have any bearing on the trial.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #58 on:** November 12, 2009, 10:51:49 AM »

I'm a plumber and should have been the guy that puts makeup on playmates for photo shoots but i never even considered hurting someone over it !

Casull · « **Reply #59 on:** November 12, 2009, 11:40:07 AM »

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I have seen so many dirty tricks pulled by the prosecutors, just looking for a conviction. To them everyone is guilty, otherwise you would not be here.

At least they seem to believe that the defendants are guilty. Defense attorneys don't care about guilt, as it has no bearing on their actions.