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Offline CharlieT

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whats in your long term food supply?
« on: November 11, 2009, 03:25:26 PM »
We're wanting to start building a long term food supply. I say we start with canned goods we use anyway and build up a 2 or 3 month supply and then rotate sock to keep it fresh. Then start adding in long term storage foods i.e. the prepackaged buckets of beans, rice, wheat, ect. What do you have store and how much? Do you have a system to rotate it to keep it fresh?
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Re: whats in your long tern food supply?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2009, 06:37:30 PM »
For grains, we just seal them up in what we've got (like a culligan jug full of corn). Weevils can be a problem when buying a 50 lb. sack at the feed mill, but there are a number of ways to snuff weevils. Moisture content is probably a more important concern, since weevils croak in a sealed container for lack of oxygen. Dry beans last about forever. Probably a lot of beans waiting on Y3K. Flour can be ground a little at a time, so it will take a while to go through 50#. Green beans we canned and figure on eating a quart a wk. Tomatoe juice, a qt. every other wk, but it represents stew or soup of some kind. Chicken we canned in pints, as a pint makes a good pot pie for 2. Most of the canned stuff we figure on eating within a year, but it will last a lot longer, but its kind of crazy to put up more than you can eat in a year. Some old boy gave us 5 gal. of glucose 20 yrs ago. Its still good, (for what I ain't got a clue). So is honey. Some honey sugars easily, but liquifies when heated, so no big deal. When I get it, It goes in jars and sits there. Keeps for the long haul. Freezing is about the easiest, so sweet corn goes there, and its whatever we didn't eat off the cob when it was ripe. Don't know how much, but somewhere around a pint and a half a week. Roadkill gets frozen, and whatever I might shoot. Nuts and berries same unless short on space, then canned. Pumpkin got canned last yr and still have a few jars, so we overdid that, but its still good. Still have nuts in the shells, but they stay good if they don't get bugs. We used to make sausage, but after 6 mos it goes bad in the freezer. Canned, it lasts years, but a family needs to figure their current diet and go from there. Watch out for the mice. They'll steal you blind! (That's where sulfur comes in handy.) 

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2009, 04:42:41 AM »
We have 100+ qts. of Tomato,beens,beets,apple and fruit canned. 7+ cases of store bought canned products,flour and beans. And am working on getting a few cases of MRE's saved up.Not enough as far as I'm concerned. Would like to double what I have by next spring. gypsyman
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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2009, 04:26:31 AM »
We have several cases each of commercial canned corn, canned diced tomato, canned green beans, evaporated milk, coup, stuff we use all the time anyway.  40 lbs of rice, corn meal and a bunch of 5 # bags of whole wheat flour.  Bunches of bags of beans.  Throwing the bags of flour, rice and beans in the freezer for a week or so seems to kill any bugs.  Then they go in plastic buckets with lids.

We rotate through to keep fresh items in storage.

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2009, 05:23:20 AM »
Presently have 2 deer, approx 35 homeraised chickens, not to count the 11 laying eggs, 1/4 pig, approx 30 lbs beef and enough home canned tomatoes and frozen vegetables to get us by until next summer.  If only I had room for a milk cow.

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2009, 08:37:56 AM »
Store bought canned goods should last up to two years or even longer.  I am still using rice I bought and put in sealed plastic 5 gallon buckets during y2k and it is still good.  You will need a big pantry.  Get a good freezer, with a good generator, for your meats.  Dry goods adequately sealed will last forever, like beans, rice, whole wheat kernels, not flour.  Vacuum seal meats will last 2 years frozen.  Hunt, fish, and learn what wild animals and plants are eatable in extreme conditions.  Rotate, rotate, rotate on everything.  Buy a pressure canner to can your own home grown veggies and meats.  Build a smoke house to smoke meats, or learn to salt and sugar cure meats.  Visit an Amish community. 

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2009, 08:38:41 AM »
Oldredpointer, how about a milk goat? 

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2009, 02:22:31 PM »
Since I raise pinto bean seed you might say I'm sitting on enough to last a while.  Presently have about 70,000 pounds of this year crop.  We garden raise and can most of our veggies.  The freezer is full of elk and as long as we have electricity that's a good thing.

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2009, 12:59:21 PM »
electricity is the key. once we lose that, we are back in the late 1800's as far as food storage goes. in fact even farther back as we have lost the knowledge and the acess to the supplies we need ,that they had.i can live maybe 2 years on what i have on hand supplemented by deer, squirrel, rabbit, coon, etc.well if no one steals all my cows maybe a lot longer. lol this is why a close knit society of small groups is how it will work.yu butcher a pig, yu give me some before it spoils, i butcher a cow i give yu some before it spoils, i got extra beans i trade them to yu for sum eggs.yu got more taters than yu can store? ill take sum and give yu sum venison in the future.its all a pay it forward type thing.thats how they did it years ago.its all so simple, yu want to survive, i want to survive, we git along. thats whats lacking in todays society.

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2009, 01:56:57 PM »
buying a few book on this subject is probably just as important.
I would think having this information on hand would be as valuable as the food you are wanting to store. Especialy if a time comes when we wont have internet to go to for info. the older we get, the more we forget.
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Toiletry & first aid should be included on your list of things to store up on & just as important.

Rice,flour,weat,grain,baking powder/soda,salt, pepper,garlic/onion powder,canned everything, ect.

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 01:28:12 AM »
You have a good start. Besure to store what you family will eat. You can get your beans , wheat, & ect. in pre package in cans.With hole wheat you will need a grinder, then bake some bread and try it.

You also need to work for a year supply of all you need. You may not need It but friends may. But I do know familys who have lived on their food storage because of some type of lost.

Go for it, do research.

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 09:48:08 AM »
I found that you can "can" things like rice in their dry form. will keep bugs and spoilage away.  Just fill the canning jar with rice, dried corn, nuts etc. place canning lid on lightly, place in the oven at 175 deg F for about 25 min.. remove and tighten lid.  will create a vacume and will then keep for long periods.  I leave quart jars in longer.

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2010, 04:09:50 AM »
doctor once told me that if push came to shove a man could live on peanut butter crackers and rice.
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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2010, 05:52:14 PM »
I can three to four cases of yellowfin tuna each year.  Give some to my inlaws and some to the kids but have a pint myself most every week.  Hard to beat.  I like sweet potatoes and navy beans also.

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2010, 05:57:44 PM »
Dried rice and dried beans in airtights with anti moisture bags.  Can goods have a marked shelf life of about two years, but if out of the sun and in normal temps will last 20 yrs or more.  We have all the above.  I also have a bumper crop of squirrils out back that could contribute to stew...... :D
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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2010, 03:59:10 PM »
i just last week ate a can of beans i purchased at wal mart that was 2 yrs past date.had been laying behind the seat of my dozer, layed it up on the exhaust manifold for about 20 min, opened it with my pocket knife, tasted fine and i didnt git the trots.but im hard like that!

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2010, 05:08:26 PM »
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Bulk cracked wheat and rice until the seeds grow up

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2010, 07:17:44 PM »
Somewhere I read to store bulk grain for the long term, put it in a plastic bag in a can. Bury a chunk of dry ice near the bottom. Loosely close the plastic, leave the can lid off till the dry ice quits steaming. Then seal everything up. This packs the grain in a CO 2 atmosphere which is better for long storage

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2010, 03:03:48 AM »
Soybeans store dry without any protection from weivels and such. Dry in a plastic bucket with a lid. They are similar to hard plastic. They also have a days supply of complete protien and fat from about a cup. They soak real fast prior to cooking. They can be sprouted to supply a lot of vitamins and enzymes like green vegetables. eddie
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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2010, 07:27:52 PM »
Someone gave us some soybeans over 12 years ago.  My adult son discovered he likes to munch them last year as much as I do when I showed him the old stash.  After I gave my son some of the stash I still have what little bit is left stored in a 2 liter bottle.  I like to just eat them dry, but my teeth are not as good as they used to be.

I store dehydrated tomatoes in plastic jugs as well.  Some just salted, others salted and peppered, and still others painted with hot sauce before I dehydrate them.  I have eaten 6 year old tomatos stored like this.  Dried bell pepers, summer suash and cubed pumpkin, but I was not overly fond of any of those.  The pumpkin was the best I guess.  I have apple slices I dried.  Fuji and Johnathan seem to store well and taste good.  Wasn't too fond of dried Granny Smith's.  Five cases of old MRE's which I should eat or throw out.

I'd like to begin storing more dried beans.  Two liter pop bottles are tough in case they ever need to be pitched around and loaded in a hurry.  Light weight too as well as the foods dry stored in them.  Water stores well in them also and even those take a lot of abuse and don't leak when tossed around.  Not nearly enough variety stored, but at least a start............Mike

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2010, 02:26:36 AM »
We are starting to experiment again with our vacuum sealer. I can take probably enough dried stuff to satisfy me for a meal and suck it down to the size of a hamburger patty, and I bet it will keep very well too.

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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2010, 08:59:57 AM »
My first suggestion for starting a food storage system is canned foods, but then followed closely by these:  http://beprepared.com/product.asp?pn=FS P230

I like the superpails at beprepared.com.  I know it's not the cheapest way to go, but I like the idea of a bucket full of food that's good for 30 years that's been prepared by a guy who's done thousands of them before.  Sure I could probably find free buckets somewhereand spend a lot of time scrubbing them, and I can find big bags of rice at Sam's to put in the bucket, but to know it was all done and setup by a pro adds enough value to me to make up for the little bit of extra cost.  The bucket of white rice would keep my family alive for almost a month if we really needed it to.

I'd also consider buying some MRE's.  There's a great bargain over at armygear.net.  Two cases for $90 plus shipping.  Comes out to $4 and change per MRE delivered to my house from them.  I keep them around for 10 year out food storage and hunting trips.

Definately don't forget the toothpaste & soap.

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2010, 02:05:44 PM »
i ate a mre i know ive had for 10 yrs or better and wasnt fresh when i got it, seemed fine and didnt give me the trots. i like them.

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2010, 02:10:58 AM »
A > 1 year supply of the typical things we eat.  Rotate, buy in bulk, store well.  Have a backup generator/s for the freezer if needed.  Also 4 acres with reasonable water sources.  Interestingly enough, last night I cooked up a batch of Hoppin John.... black eye pease (1 lb),4  cups rice, 8 ounces of salt pork, onions and garlic.  Ended up with complete nutrition and then some.  Enough to keep one person reasonably fed for a week.... not comfortably fed, but definitely not malnourished.

Cost.  Bulk BE Peas  (.75 - 1.00 /lb), Bulk rice ..dirt cheap.  green onions and garlic, ... < $1.00.


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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2010, 04:14:45 AM »
MREs may have their place, but they are expensive and bulky. In the space that you would use to store a $150 case of MREs that will feed you for 4 or 5 days you could store $50 worth of rice and beans that would feed you for a month. Let the MREs freeze and they would be badly degraded. Rice and beans,  almost disaster proof.

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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2010, 04:53:03 AM »
MREs may have their place, but they are expensive and bulky. In the space that you would use to store a $150 case of MREs that will feed you for 4 or 5 days you could store $50 worth of rice and beans that would feed you for a month. Let the MREs freeze and they would be badly degraded. Rice and beans,  almost disaster proof.

A lot of what you're saying is depending on price.  Go to armygear.net and you'll be able to find new MRE's shipped to your door for less than $5 each.  It's not the cheapest route for just a meal, but it's more than just a meal too.  It's a fairly balanced high calorie food supply with some creature comforts like matches, toilet paper, spoon, heater, coffee/tea.  There're not anything fancy, but I have my food preps setup to live off of mostly canned veggies/fruit, white rice and supplemented by MRE's.  Like you said, they definately have their place.

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Re: whats in your long term food supply?
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2010, 12:13:27 PM »
One MRE = one day's ration, so it's three meals if I'm not mistaken.  I have found them near military bases at surplus stores, flea mkt.s, etc. for $25.00 per case.........but I agree with the above poster, dried beans and rice yields carbs and protien, and goes a long way.  I found bags of rice the other day for 44 cents per bag...hard to beat.

IMO however much we store, it is a temporary situation at best.  For a prolonged problem, being able to produce is the answer.  With so many living in cities and towns....that will be a problem....

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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2010, 05:37:19 PM »
One MRE = one day's ration, so it's three meals if I'm not mistaken.  MRE = Meal Ready to Eat, they're meant for an individual meal not a days rations, but in a pinch one MRE a day will get you by for a while.

IMO however much we store, it is a temporary situation at best.  For a prolonged problem, being able to produce is the answer.  With so many living in cities and towns....that will be a problem....

You got that right!  Part of my preps are some seeds can that plant a survival garden.  I live in an addition right now, but this is exactly why I want to move back out into the country.

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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2010, 05:44:46 PM »
No, as the military packages them 1 MRE equals one meal.  I was in the Alaska Guard and we did our annual training in the winter. There were not enough calories in the meals to sustain me in that environment. I was eating every last crumb of every meal, but I was starving on three rations a day. In a warmer environment they will keep you going.

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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2010, 03:48:21 AM »
Shouldn't you all have been issued the white winter MRE's?  Aren't those supposed to have twice the calories of a normal MRE?