Author Topic: Third party candidates to be pushed by the Democrats in 2010 (Read 786 times)

Redtail1949 · « **on:** November 13, 2009, 08:05:52 AM »

hear on MSNBC this morning that the best thing the Democrats could do is find middle of the road Independents and secretly support them to run as 3rd party candidates. this would pull votes from the Republican candidates and allow a better chance of the Democrats holding their seats. ed shultze thought it was a great idea and just one of the many things they must do to keep the republicans from gaining power.

this is what they will do in the hopes of staying in power. it clearly shows what really happens with a 3rd party person sad but true.

MGMorden · « **Reply #1 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:39:58 AM »

Quote from: Redtail1949 on November 13, 2009, 08:05:52 AM

hear on MSNBC this morning that the best thing the Democrats could do is find middle of the road Independents and secretly support them to run as 3rd party candidates. this would pull votes from the Republican candidates and allow a better chance of the Democrats holding their seats. ed shultze thought it was a great idea and just one of the many things they must do to keep the republicans from gaining power.

this is what they will do in the hopes of staying in power. it clearly shows what really happens with a 3rd party person sad but true.

It works in reverse too. Middle-ground candidates pull in constituents from both sides. The Republican party isn't the only group with some members leaning towards a more moderate position with the Democrats all being stark raving mad "lefties". A third party candidate pulls in some Republicans and some Democrats. That's the way it's always been. Trust me I know several people who voted 3rd party last election who if presented with an ultimatum simply won't vote for a Republican - period. If they didn't have the 3rd party they'd vote Democrat or not at all. The thing is that if such candidates are really pulling in THAT much interest - why is it that the two main parties insist on still maintaining such extreme positions?

Sourdough · « **Reply #2 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:47:44 AM »

MGMorden: History proves the Democratic party is pretty united, it has been the Republicans that always split.

Here in Alaska we have a primary election to determine who is going to run. Back in 1996 the Dems put out word, and ran adds Democrats for Lindower. Lindower was a totally unknown. He overwhelmingly won the primary, knocking the Republican candidate out of the running. Then two days before the election the scandles broke out. The man was not even an Alaska Resident. We then was saddled with the worst Governor we ever had, Tony Knowles. He gave up the right for the State of Alaska to control all hunting and fishing in Alaska. And bowed to all the environmentalist demands. Knowles stopped all predator control.

Today Alaska has a closed Primary for the Republican ticket, many people can not understand why. Either they were not here then, or they have forgotten.

Dee · « **Reply #3 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:52:09 AM »

Well, as an Independent, I not voting for a middle of the road anything. I voting for whom ever is 100% pro Constitution, and Bill of Rights.

nomosendero · « **Reply #4 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:59:33 AM »

Quote from: Dee on November 13, 2009, 08:52:09 AM

Well, as an Independent, I not voting for a middle of the road anything. I voting for whom ever is 100% pro Constitution, and Bill of Rights.

This would certainly throw the Socialists Demoncraps off, as they are not aware of the Constitution & most Republicans don't know about it either.

Matt · « **Reply #5 on:** November 13, 2009, 09:25:22 AM »

Quote from: Redtail1949 on November 13, 2009, 08:05:52 AM

hear on MSNBC this morning that the best thing the Democrats could do is find middle of the road Independents and secretly support them to run as 3rd party candidates. this would pull votes from the Republican candidates and allow a better chance of the Democrats holding their seats. ed shultze thought it was a great idea and just one of the many things they must do to keep the republicans from gaining power.

this is what they will do in the hopes of staying in power. it clearly shows what really happens with a 3rd party person sad but true.

What this shows is that if the left or right says 3rd party = opposition win it will keep the other side of the SAME coin from trying REAL CHANGE.... and from your quoted response... IT WORKS.... Think with your own head not the talking ones on the boob tube...

Matt

alsaqr · « **Reply #6 on:** November 13, 2009, 10:16:56 AM »

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Well, as an Independent, I not voting for a middle of the road anything. I voting for whom ever is 100% pro Constitution, and Bill of Rights

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Bingo!!!

I am never going to vote for any evil, however slight.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 13, 2009, 10:54:05 AM »

they will put in a man that will attract more righties than laefties and drain off his votes..and yes it can work both ways however its the democrats that face a real possibility of revolt in their party in 2010.

i wish everyone luck on finding the candidate that upholds every value they have the strict constitionalist on so on...i have seen none. if that man is not on the ballot and you do not vote out of principle you might just let the worst of the so called two evils win.

seems like a lose lose deal and it is but its all we got..3rd party on the national level will not happen in our lifetime. i like you wish it could but it can not.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #8 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:23:01 PM »

Quote from: Dee on November 13, 2009, 08:52:09 AM

Well, as an Independent, I not voting for a middle of the road anything. I voting for whom ever is 100% pro Constitution, and Bill of Rights.

I didn't get that middle part either! All of the Independent thinkers and voters I know, are strict Constitutionalists. They are nowhere near the middle.

Now if he's talking about a Joe Lieberman type of independent,"well" that's a diff . story. He is a pure Liberal socialist scumbag.

Dee · « **Reply #9 on:** November 14, 2009, 12:00:23 AM »

Well not to start the debate again, but I think I'll just keep voting for an honest man that is 100% for the Constitution, and Bill of Rights, and the rest of you can keep voting for the lessor of two scoundrels.

Some body's gotta vote for the "honest" man, and I don't mind doing that for sure. Win or lose he'll be better company than either of ya'lls choices (Democrat-Republican), and I wouldn't be embarrassed if someone sees me with him either.

JBlk · « **Reply #10 on:** November 14, 2009, 02:08:13 AM »

I don't know who I am going to vote for in the next election but as a life long Democrat I can assure you that it will not be any Democratic canidate.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 14, 2009, 02:25:58 AM »

dee:

not trying to be smart to you but i want to know what happens if the next election as in all the past there is no one that fills your bill? if you decide not to vote at all, which i respect as your right, and another obama takes office. especialy if the other candidate would have been much more moderate. would you regret not voting for him?

seriously i would like to know.

Elijah Gunn · « **Reply #12 on:** November 14, 2009, 02:53:35 AM »

Quote from: Redtail1949 on November 14, 2009, 02:25:58 AM

dee:

not trying to be smart to you but i want to know what happens if the next election as in all the past there is no one that fills your bill? if you decide not to vote at all, which i respect as your right, and another obama takes office. especialy if the other candidate would have been much more moderate. would you regret not voting for him?

seriously i would like to know.

I know you're asking this to dee, but it goes with your previous post and I'd like to put in my 2 cents.
To not vote is wrong, and as for me if there are only two choices available I would vote the lessor evil. If there is a third person/party that I agree with then I vote for them regardless of what their chances of winning might be. At least that vote was used as salt,and light. Every vote sends a message, every vote counts.

Dee · « **Reply #13 on:** November 14, 2009, 03:08:43 AM »

Redtail, I don't take it as being a smart axx at all. It is everyone's right to vote as they please. I see it as picking a dog to guard the sheep. One has a record of killing sheep, and one has a record of protecting sheep. Key here is RECORD. I will pick the one with the record of protecting the sheep, which in this case is the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
There were two presidential candidates with that type of record available at the polls on the last general election. I voted for one of them. He was honest, and certainly PRO Constitution, and Bill of Rights. So was the other one. They did not win, but both were good men. I will always pick the GOOD man, regardless. They just make better company.

To bring moral ethic into the mix God said in John Chapter 12 verses 42 & 43. Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; BUT BECAUSE of the Pharisees, they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: Verse 43. FOR THEY LOVED THE PRAISE OF MEN MORE THAN THE PRAISE OF GOD.
1st Timothy Chapter 6 verse 10 & 11. Verse 10. For the love of money is the root of alL evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many arrows.
Verse 11. But thou, O man of God, FLEE THESE THINGS; AND FOLLOW AFTER RIGHTEOUSNESS, GODLINESS, FAITH, LOVE, PATIENCE, MEEKNESS.[/b][/i]
No where does God say follow the LESSOR OF TWO EVILS. Doing so, is exactly why we are where we are, and deservedly so. IT, will not change until WE change. JM2CW Bible lesson and moral lesson over.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 14, 2009, 03:17:50 AM »

Dee: thanks for the reply you have a valid point and i take your answer to mean if there was not one that filled your bill you would not vote. i hope that man or woman is available in the next election they would certainly get my vote. if not i would pick the one that was a least middle to right of the road if available. if not i would not vote.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #15 on:** November 14, 2009, 10:04:32 AM »

I know you're asking this to dee, but it goes with your previous post and I'd like to put in my 2 cents.
To not vote is wrong, and as for me if there are only two choices available I would vote the lessor evil. If there is a third person/party that I agree with then I vote for them regardless of what their chances of winning might be. At least that vote was used as salt,and light. Every vote sends a message, every vote counts.
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I disagree that (not voting) is always wrong! I think there can be valid reasons for NOT voting.
If there are truly no candidates running that are qualified for the office, then not voting is sending a clear message to the respective parties, that WE the people are tired of your BS, and you should be looking for a new line of work. Most would like to think that you can have a lesser of evil! "NO SUCH THING" Evil is just that....EVIL. A non vote can also send a clear message, and actually count. Another reason for not voting is.....Some people don't have a clue about the person they are voting for, and just vote party lines. They should stay at home on election day! IMHP!

Swampman · « **Reply #16 on:** November 14, 2009, 10:06:01 AM »

That's how they won in 2008.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 14, 2009, 10:45:27 AM »

Why would I vote for a middle of the road candidate? Now if the commucrats were smart they would dump a lot of money into a conservative indepents campaign and that would draw my vote.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #18 on:** November 14, 2009, 11:18:12 AM »

the green party saved us from Owl Gore[bitchoff] a few years back

the republicans are so far left
the democrats can split it 3 ways

right wing extreenist [us]
middle road republicans [RINOs]
moderates [non-democratic liberals]

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 14, 2009, 12:47:38 PM »

over the years that i have been voting i have seen extremly low turn out at the polls nation wide. if that was to send a message the winners got ir. it was that everyone was sick and tired of the crap they did not give a hoot. it was just fine with them they took office and ran it as if they had a mandate...they did it was do whatever you want i do not care.

and here we are......

Dee · « **Reply #20 on:** November 14, 2009, 01:22:39 PM »

The low turn out is apathy. I'm out doin my own thing, let someone else run it. Result? No one is watchin the chicken house and the fox is in there.
Trouble is, occasionally the coyote runs the fox out, and runs things for a while. Everyone has gotten used to it, and they have learned to settle for less. And less, and less, and less.
The voter THINKS HE HAS TOO. He has started voting collectively, rather than individually. He looks at one candidate and says: He's no good, and turns around and says, he isn't either, but he's better than the other guy. So he settles for less, with the same idea the rest of the voters have. If I step out, I'll be alone. No individualism. The NEW CODE OF ETHICS for everyone seems to be, I go with the small time crook, he's not as bad as the big time crook.

Elijah Gunn · « **Reply #21 on:** November 14, 2009, 02:39:42 PM »

Quote from: nw_hunter on November 14, 2009, 10:04:32 AM

I know you're asking this to dee, but it goes with your previous post and I'd like to put in my 2 cents.
To not vote is wrong, and as for me if there are only two choices available I would vote the lessor evil. If there is a third person/party that I agree with then I vote for them regardless of what their chances of winning might be. At least that vote was used as salt,and light. Every vote sends a message, every vote counts.

I disagree that (not voting) is always wrong! I think there can be valid reasons for NOT voting.
If there are truly no candidates running that are qualified for the office, then not voting is sending a clear message to the respective parties, that WE the people are tired of your BS, and you should be looking for a new line of work. Most would like to think that you can have a lesser of evil! "NO SUCH THING" Evil is just that....EVIL. A non vote can also send a clear message, and actually count. Another reason for not voting is.....Some people don't have a clue about the person they are voting for, and just vote party lines. They should stay at home on election day! IMHP!
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I was not saying to not vote is "always" wrong. I do agree with you that there may be times when it would be better to not vote under the circumstances you described. I was stating my "general" opinion.
I make sure I'm an informed voter,and I'm sorry you took my post further than I intended. My fault, for not explaining enough.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 14, 2009, 02:51:05 PM »

with the rewsignation of nixon and the watergate affair the resignation of agnew..others both democrat and republican alike showing all the world just how corrupt and moraly bankrupt so many were...revelations from all fronts that just about destroyed my whole faith in my country i spent several elections on the sidelines. as the years went by i became to realize that i was doing nothing affecting nothing....so i pulled on my boots and got back into the world and have been an informed and participating member of society.

i am not so sure i make any difference, yet i hope that i do.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #23 on:** November 14, 2009, 02:57:47 PM »

New york 23 was a great example of what to many candidates will do!

The "3rd party" guy came within 5 % of winning, the republican candidate dropped out but backed the democrat, but was still on the ballet, she got, you guessed it, 5% of the vote. Actually her name was on the ballot twice and Owens, the democrat was also! If you get extra viable candidates you get a winner that wins with, say 30% and 70% of the voters hate life as opposed to 48 %.

Now thats would make the present administration as happy as pigs in slop!

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 15, 2009, 01:56:59 AM »

Quote from: Dee on November 13, 2009, 08:52:09 AM

Well, as an Independent, I not voting for a middle of the road anything. I voting for whom ever is 100% pro Constitution, and Bill of Rights.

Yep, that is what I am doing as well.