Author Topic: Time for this soldier to go to jail (Read 1653 times)

Skunk · « **Reply #30 on:** November 17, 2009, 08:42:18 AM »

Quote from: nw_hunter on November 17, 2009, 08:08:28 AM

Women shouldn't be allowed in the military in the first place! I say discharge her and make room for a man. Now I'll duck my head and wait for the volley!

No flaming here NW_Hunter. I respect your opinion. My feeling is that women do not belong in actual combat, although they are perfectly capable of functioning in that capacity. I think women are important, vital, and useful in too many key non-combat roles to be entirely cast out of the military. This particular woman is probably an exception, but hopefully she doesn't represent "all" women in the military.

anweis · « **Reply #31 on:** November 17, 2009, 08:47:47 AM »

Quote from: nw_hunter on November 17, 2009, 08:08:28 AM

Women shouldn't be allowed in the military in the first place! They are emotional critters! That's why they make good mothers. I'm one of those weird fellas, that believes the good Lord made us different for a reason.I say discharge her and make room for a man. Now I'll duck my head and wait for the volley!

Men are just as emotional and you are chauvinistic. In fact, more than 15% of the males that fight our wars are so emotional that they become wrecks with PTSD, depression, agressive, suicidal, or abusive behavior. Before you rattle your pseudopatriotic male jingoism, let me tell you that they are not sissies. It just happens that our brains are programmed by evolution to easily accept biologically needed aggression (kill for food, kill in defence, etc), but not socially mandated aggression such as the one perpetrated by some Dick Cheney from Texas and those like you who voted for him.
What, are you implying that fathers should not be emotional and warm and kind in their care for their children, because that is what you think that your God intended? Boy, you must be a lousy father!

jimster · « **Reply #32 on:** November 17, 2009, 08:57:34 AM »

When you sign up for the military, they pay you, you belong to them. The military is getting weaker by the year with all this emotional crap.

A solder is a solder...man or woman...country and duty come first. Save all the emotional crap for other places. We already are getting people killed on our own militarty bases because of emotions, political correctness, and other stuff that makes our military weak.

She knew when she signed up what the deal was...if everyone's family came first and they all stayed home what you got then?

Sad deal...yep...now go where your fellow solders are going that you trained with and suck it up. That's the deal when you signed up.

anweis · « **Reply #33 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:03:04 AM »

Quote from: jimster on November 17, 2009, 08:57:34 AM

Sad deal...yep...now go where your fellow solders are going that you trained with and suck it up. That's the deal when you signed up.

Exactly. And don't get pregnant at 16, or while under contract.

Matt · « **Reply #34 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:05:29 AM »

Quote from: Questor on November 17, 2009, 02:46:18 AM

She blew it and now needs to pay the price. The essential problem is that when you are in the military, they own you. They can do whatever they want with you and the only way out is to serve out the contract, die, got to prison, get kicked out, or become a fugitive. If you don't like those terms, then you have no business in the military. Family does not come first for any soldier.

I have to agree with you here...

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #35 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:33:16 AM »

over the i have met many young women that joined the military mostly as reservist. almost all signed up as a way to escape unemployement or what they percieved a dead end life. they all wanted the benifits of education insurance and so on. they never wanted nor expected to go to war but with the war on terror and the demands on forces almost all have been swept up into the fight. that has brought on these problems.

yet they knew when they went in that it was part of the deal that if neede they would be called. they almost all signed up by giving their parents or grandparents custody of the children so as to get in. after they were in past boot camop and active duty (6 months in most cases) they took their children back from the parents got a civilian job and were weekend warriors with two weeks in the summer active. now they cry the blues they were ok with their deception of the armed forces as long as they were benifiting. now when they got caught up with they scream foul.

they should serve or go to jail or as suggested maybe pay all money back and be dishonorably discharged for lying to get in and carrying on with the deception.

I do recognize that some were honorable in signing up and never intended to decieve but things happen they got pregnant. most of those will go on and serve like they are supposed to if they do not they should be imprisoned or dishonorably discharged.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:49:26 AM »

oh for those that object to women in combat units....never question if they have the courage or will to fight...the germans and the russians had many combat units all women and in some case serving along side men that proved they can do it.

even then sexual desires of both men and the women in those units caused problems. if they are to be stopped it should be for such considerations as the sexual one but never because anyone doubts their ability to fight, the will to fight, or their courage.

many will object for the so called chavunistic reasons that it is no place for a woman. i would have to agree simplky because i was raised that women should be spared such horror and that we want the women that raise our children to not be hardened as only combat can harden the heart and mind. we want the vitues of the human nature such as kindness and tenderness to be taught by our women to our children and let the men face the terror and do the killing if needed come back and teach them of the harshness of the world without letting them see it. this is to temper their views to let them know through their mother of the love and kindness the gentleness of love. let their father remind them that there is evil and danger ion the world.

if they recieve their education from both a father and a mother that have been hardened to cruelty, suffering, and pain. it can tranform a child to the point that he can not function in the world.

i believe the women should stay out of it and only if attacked should fight. they serve now in support units and have indeed had to fight after being attacked i am ok with that. i do not believe they should be on the front lines so to speak.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:45:25 PM »

now there is one thing i will say. . to be honest if im in hand to hand combat.. id rather the guy helping me out an all,, be very good fighter an able to handle a 200 lb fighter .. flip side there are some women that can do that..heather might be one that can more than carry her on end of the thing..
whether that applies to the majority of lady fighters is something i don t know..
i kinda go back to the man leaves the cave to bring home food ..mama stays at the caves entrance and is the last line of defense before the predatore devours the young..slim

Mohawk · « **Reply #38 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:49:01 PM »

If YOU want the PAYCHECK then do your duty!!!! We all have children AND do our duty!!! It's that simple. It doesn't matter what YOU think of the battle you are being sent to fight. You VOLUNTARILY signed on to be a soldier. If you want a stay in one place office job then DON'T JOIN THE MILITARY!!!!! Being a public servant, I know, when you are told to GO, you GO!!!!!

Questor · « **Reply #39 on:** November 17, 2009, 02:37:10 PM »

nw_hunter:

I'm with you. It's a man's burden.

Swampman · « **Reply #40 on:** November 17, 2009, 03:06:07 PM »

Quote

Women shouldn't be allowed in the military in the first place!............I'm one of those weird fellas, that believes the good Lord made us different for a reason.I say discharge her and make room for a man.

Ditto

teamnelson · « **Reply #41 on:** November 17, 2009, 03:45:32 PM »

I think I've told the story before, in 2006 somebody had a great idea to form a lioness platoon out of female marines assigned to logistics units, and send them out to infantry task forces as screeners and searchers at check points, for female Iraqis. The infantry AOs are the most kinetic, and ours was especially so when we got our Lionesses. Won't fault them for their courage, or their abilities at all ... but it destabilized the morale at the respective FOBs where they were placed, often as a pair in all male spartan facility. Lots of ensuing problems that happen when you place two girls in a hole with 150 young guys, add a lot of combat related stress ... Lots of questions about whether or not that was crossing the gray line of women in combat ... then a young lady was killed by a suicide bomber at a check point. Sort of a hush fell on the whole region, and the Lionesses were quietly called back to their logistics units. Of course we rotated out, rotated back in 7 mos later, and the region was under new management who had this great idea: lets take some female marines from the logistics units and form platoons and send them out with the infantry ...

If gender SHOULD not be a factor, then it boils down to simple ability. When we have the same height/weight/body composition tables; when we have the same physical fitness requirements; when we have paternity leave to match maternity leave, then talk to me about gender parity. You can say it loud, you can say it smart, you can say it with authority, or a gun, but it still doesn't make it so.

powderman · « **Reply #42 on:** November 17, 2009, 04:19:59 PM »

MOHAWK. Good post Sir, I agree. POWDERMAN.

torpedoman · « **Reply #43 on:** November 17, 2009, 04:31:20 PM »

There should be NO single parents in the military.

Heather · « **Reply #44 on:** November 17, 2009, 04:38:52 PM »

I have been trying to figure out all day how I could say that I agree that women shouldn't be on the front lines without betraying my gender. Thank you Redtail for putting my thoughts into words in the quote below. I may not agree with anything else you said in any of your previous post on this thread, but this is how I feel about women in combat.

Quote from: Redtail1949 on November 17, 2009, 09:49:26 AM

i was raised that women should be spared such horror and that we want the women that raise our children to not be hardened as only combat can harden the heart and mind. we want the vitues of the human nature such as kindness and tenderness to be taught by our women to our children and let the men face the terror and do the killing if needed come back and teach them of the harshness of the world without letting them see it. this is to temper their views to let them know through their mother of the love and kindness the gentleness of love. let their father remind them that there is evil and danger ion the world.

Heather

nw_hunter · « **Reply #45 on:** November 17, 2009, 06:27:24 PM »

Quote from: Questor on November 17, 2009, 02:37:10 PM

nw_hunter:

I'm with you. It's a man's burden.

We seem to be a minority Questor.

I don't worry about being politically correct. Facts are facts, and they speak for themselves.
The women in the military today are not the same as yesterday. We had women in the Army in the 60's that were doing a great job at clerical, Care giving and other jobs suited to women, and I believe it was very important work.We called the women doing these jobs Wac's I think in the Navy they were called Waves, and Waff's in the Air force.

Women are being used in positions they are unqualified to do, and they can not do the stressful and strenuous jobs men do.

Men are over 30% stronger than women, especially in the upper body. Although many feminists cannot face this fact, females simply do not have the strength or endurance necessary to be, for example, effective combat soldiers.

Women express their emotions more readily and experience a greater intensity of emotion.

Stress Disorders - Anxiety disorders are chronic illnesses that occur more often in women than men. The risk of post-traumatic stress disorder following some traumatic experience is much higher in women than men. (This is the opinion of Psychologists....not mine)

The ways men and women handle stress are fundamentally different. Men generally handle bad situations by reacting in a proactive manner, feeling compelled to find a solution. Women almost invariably have the well-known panic reaction. Proof of this can be had any of the 13 times a day that women can be found crying, inexplicably.

I believe that there are some hard wired differences in men and women, that are equally important.

Neither one is better or worse, simply different.

Co-ed military does not work, and never will.

I don't think we have won a war since it's implementation!. I say discharge her and quit this foolishness!........."Ducking my head again"

stubshaft · « **Reply #46 on:** November 17, 2009, 06:54:00 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on November 17, 2009, 05:38:22 AM

Well said Dukk! I like millions of other soldiers had to leave my children in others care when going off to war. It was hard but we all came through it fine. Both my son and daughter are currently serving in the Minnesota National Guard. If called they will do their duty.

No one has been drafted into the military. All are volunteers. We had a coward in our unit, he was is and will always be nothing more than a sniviling coward.

I'm sure this young coward will get plenty of sympathy, as the saying goes "birds of a feather". I'm sure there are plenty of cowards who will back her. They come from the parasite class of humanity and they deserve no toleration.

Another poster child for the bleeding heart liberals...

It's a crying shame that soldiers die for these slugs to go on preaching their $h!t!

ncsurveyor · « **Reply #47 on:** November 19, 2009, 04:05:26 AM »

BTW, now that the soldier is in jail ( a fairly serious issue, not unlike having to be deployed, only safer) it seems her mother (who would not be able to care for the nipper due to other issues) was able to come from california, retrieve the 10 month old from Army CPS, and return to california with him.

Amazing.

Simply amazing.

rex6666 · « **Reply #48 on:** November 19, 2009, 05:58:29 AM »

Quote from: anweis on November 17, 2009, 08:47:47 AM

Quote from: nw_hunter on November 17, 2009, 08:08:28 AM

Women shouldn't be allowed in the military in the first place! They are emotional critters! That's why they make good mothers. I'm one of those weird fellas, that believes the good Lord made us different for a reason.I say discharge her and make room for a man. Now I'll duck my head and wait for the volley!

Men are just as emotional and you are chauvinistic. In fact, more than 15% of the males that fight our wars are so emotional that they become wrecks with PTSD, depression, agressive, suicidal, or abusive behavior. Before you rattle your pseudopatriotic male jingoism, let me tell you that they are not sissies. It just happens that our brains are programmed by evolution to easily accept biologically needed aggression (kill for food, kill in defence, etc), but not socially mandated aggression such as the one perpetrated by some Dick Cheney from Texas and those like you who voted for him.
What, are you implying that fathers should not be emotional and warm and kind in their care for their children, because that is what you think that your God intended? Boy, you must be a lousy father!

HA HA HA HA ! where did SHE come from

rex6666 · « **Reply #49 on:** November 19, 2009, 06:19:40 AM »

OK!
I am probably going to step in it here.
If i was in combat, i could let the guy next to me handle his and i would handle mine. If it was a woman next to me i would feel as though i needed to protect
her, not saying i am right just the way i grew up "mam" i am sure many women can handle the job but when it comes to combat situations i just don't know
that i could not try to protect them.

BBF · « **Reply #50 on:** November 19, 2009, 01:52:09 PM »

Medical stuff, any kind of paperwork, pounding on a 'puter, flying an airplane, or doing some trucking, no problem. Sitting in a foxhole or crewing an artillery piece, not my idea of women's work.