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Offline SHOOTALL

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IMR 4227
« on: November 18, 2009, 05:24:38 AM »
I have a pound of IMR 4227 , Modern Reloading by Richard Lee list 13 gr. of H 4227 and a lead SWC . Can i switch to IMR ?
 Anyone have a load for the 250 LSWC using IMR 4227 ? These bullets are BHN 20 -22 hardness .
Any other loads are welcome also .
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Re: IMR 4227
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2009, 05:32:33 AM »
I have a pound of IMR 4227 , Modern Reloading by Richard Lee list 13 gr. of H 4227 and a lead SWC . Can i switch to IMR ?
 Anyone have a load for the 250 LSWC using IMR 4227 ? These bullets are BHN 20 -22 hardness .
Any other loads are welcome also .

Just to be safe, what caliber are you loading?

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Re: IMR 4227
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2009, 05:38:43 AM »
Sorry bad on my part , 44 REM MAG .
I seldom use cast bullets in the mag. . BUt after reading all the post on hunting with cast bullets i decided to try them in the 44 mag and will also try them in a 45 colt redhawk .
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Re: IMR 4227
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2009, 06:00:41 AM »
Use the IMR-4227 powder manufacturer for the best data.

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

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Re: IMR 4227
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2009, 06:54:18 AM »
Tried that first , they give no data for a 250 gr bullet .
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Re: IMR 4227
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2009, 09:36:46 AM »
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Tried that first , they give no data for a 250 gr bullet.


Then use data for a 240 grain. Just make sure you stop and do not exceed max charge listed.


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Re: IMR 4227
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2009, 08:36:58 AM »
Thanks , GB
Its a pain when ya can't get the powder and bullets you want . Did find some H110 in country store the other day .
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Re: IMR 4227
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2010, 06:55:32 AM »
I realize this is a little late, but I just came across this looking for something else.

I use a load of 23g of IMR 4227 in my Smith PC 6.5" barrel 44 mag
starline brass, WInchester Large Pistol primers and 250G Keith from leadhead, sized at .430

accurate load, effective on hogs and mild recoil
chronos between 1150 and 1200 FPS

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Re: IMR 4227
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2010, 01:50:22 AM »
kind of a go to load in 44 mags and 45 colts for me has allways been 20 grains of 4227 and a ww primer using a 240-265 grain bullet. Mild recoil and usually very accurate.
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Re: IMR 4227
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2010, 04:50:47 AM »
Thanks Llyod..

ever chrono that load out of a 6.5" 44 ?

I was initially looking for around 1200FPS and got very close with my load after much research
I believe I started at 21g and worked up to 23 looking for the best groups


Graybeard,
you mention just using 240 jacketed data when working up 250g hardcast loads and advised not to exceed of course
I would think the FPS would be almost identical, the 250g should be a tad slower based on weight alone, but HC tends to shoot a tad faster than jacketed according to everything I have read/heard.


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Re: IMR 4227
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2010, 05:13:34 AM »

you mention just using 240 jacketed data when working up 250g hardcast loads and advised not to exceed of course
I would think the FPS would be almost identical, the 250g should be a tad slower based on weight alone, but HC tends to shoot a tad faster than jacketed according to everything I have read/heard.

As Greybeard advised, do not exceed the load listed for the 240 grain jacketed data.  In fact, you should pick a charge about mid-way down or lower and work the load up and look for signs of overpressure. 
A 250 grain bullet being heavier may cause or create a little bit of extra pressure (obviously) and believe it or not, sometimes the amount of extra pressure generated may actually cause that bullet to move at a higher velocity than the lighter bullet.  Also, keep in mind that when using cast bullets, you typically generate much more pressure than is generated with a jacketed bullet due to the fact that the cast bullet fills in all of the grooves and basically seals the barrel more efficiently, hence, building even MORE pressure.  So basically, you're adding two factors to the load which increase pressure; using a cast bullet and a heavier bullet.  The only control you have left to keep the pressure in check is to lighten the load.

Geez....I hope that made sense.   ???  Sometimes it's hard to express these kinds of things in writing without going on and on.   ???


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Re: IMR 4227
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2010, 05:35:31 AM »
it makes sense..
can't have more velocity without increased pressure

as always, start low (within publshed data) and work up

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Re: IMR 4227
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2010, 04:19:49 PM »
20 should net you 1000-1100 depending on the gun.
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