What would you do ...

[teamnelson]

NW, I've swung hammers, worked fields, all around the world. Multiple combat tours outside the fob, wounded ... And I still say Americans are too selfish to step out of unemployment to pick lettuce. Somebody else's kids, not mine is what they're saying today. And until that changes we need immigrants like we need foreign oil, Chinese cash, wood, metal and concrete.

And your teaparties are in name only - symbolic protest only. Lots of angry voices and slogans. Not been able to make one, too busy with this war thing going on. Keep going though ... it took the hippies 30 years but they got socialism finally. Maybe a few sit ins and get a few of y'all to go into acting.

[Squib]

I never saw teamnelsons paperwork but I assume he's telling the truth (never told a war story so why doubt him?)
and he says he was HET before being a pastor.... het isn't a "nice" job.  I'm pretty sure that straight up being one of the spooks really had something to do with him moving from frontline fearmonger to rearguard kulturkampf-- he's not going out and swinging anymore because he's been manipulated into doing some nasty things... so he's watching the rest of us and trying to show us the way...

does that fit TN?  as a boot infantryman I felt really bad about some stuff I did, I assume het is just as bad if not worse

[teamnelson]

Wasn't HET ... close though. I'm a chaplain now because boots on the ground need someone in their corner when things are dark. Busy job lately. Until the citizens of our nation turn the light back on that's where I'll be. I prefer action to words, although I have a few of those too. I'm hoping to encourage the future leaders of our country to think clearly and ethically when they leave service, raise families and hopefully take office. I trust that they at least are willing to do more than talk and they understand sacrifice.

When are you running for office Squib?

[Squib]

I'm like alan keyes but without the eloquence... I just get on the soapbox and start preaching without worrying about how it's gonna be recieved (he has the skills to say it pretty and precise though so it's still recieved well) I'd like to run my mouth professionally, but I have no dough.  I can barely afford reloading supplies anymore.  So is HET a billet for linguists?  I thought it was an MOS.  Then again I was taught that 0311 was the only MOS so I'm ignorant about the rest   

I don't tolerate the bs well, the diversionary tactics of blaming the savage/muslim/colored/evil people that are foreign to us... if they are really so nasty and disgusting then how do they influence us??? if they're lesser men by virtue of birth then how can they threaten us with intense effort- lesser potential at birth means no ability to challenge us real men right?  that's like saying a retarded guy is gonna plot on me, or a guy with multiple sclerosis is gonna beat me up... not gonna happen.  if the "other" guys are capable of hurting us then they must have strength, intellect, and values to apply them- they cannot be inferior but only different.

[Matt]

I have said several times that if someone was over here doing to us what we are over there doing to them the picture would be very similar. To declare all out war on a group of people based on geographical location and/or religion is just ignorant. To call someone a terrorist for fighting against an invader is also ignorant.  I don’t for one minute think that more than a handful here would lie down and allow a foreign country to come in and patrol our streets acting as the police. I know I for one would fight and take out as many as I could till they got me.  Now don’t think that I don’t support our troops because I do and have close family in Afghanistan and Iraq. I do not support this created “War on Terror” that has caused thousands of our troops to die and many more to be disabled. It is a war justified by lies deceit and even more American deaths. The only group benefiting is the military industrial complex and those tied to it.  The American people are losing their rights and liberties while so many set idly by and convince themselves that it is for security and is only temporary (until the genocide of all muslisms is complete).

I have been saying for quite some time now that there is a secret plan unfolding that will enslave most everyone that it doesn’t kill. There is way too much evidence and even statements that the secret cabal that runs most of the world wants a major population decrease.  If a whole lot of you don’t open your eyes then there will be no stopping what they have planned and if you are not prepared then you will most likely be dead.

Matt

[magooch]

Yeah--and it was Bush that took down the Twin Towers and knocked the hole in the Pentagon anyway, so right on Matt.

[Questor]

What makes you or anyone else so smart about what I should earn and what my work is worth to my employer? This suggestion is pure Communism. The very suggestion that you, or any centralized authority, who doesn't even know what I do for a living or anything about the business I am in could make a sensible decision of what my pay should be is preposterous. My compensation is a contract between my employer and myself. If they can't pay me what I want to earn, I will explore other options.  If I can't perform to their liking, they will explore other options.

[nw_hunter]

Yeah--and it was Bush that took down the Twin Towers and knocked the hole in the Pentagon anyway, so right on Matt.

I don't think Bush had the brains to take down a dog house, but he was surrounded by others that did.
Not saying that is what happened, but anyone that believes the government could never do such a thing is still napping, and needs to wake up!

"Google up.... Operation Northwood"

That little operation was never carried out, but many at the top wanted to implement it.

[teamnelson]

What makes you or anyone else so smart about what I should earn and what my work is worth to my employer? This suggestion is pure Communism. The very suggestion that you, or any centralized authority, who doesn't even know what I do for a living or anything about the business I am in could make a sensible decision of what my pay should be is preposterous. My compensation is a contract between my employer and myself. If they can't pay me what I want to earn, I will explore other options.  If I can't perform to their liking, they will explore other options.

Absolutely. My question had to do with personal sacrifice. For all the great ideas on here we all will lose something. Who pays the check on an even greater recession if we isolate and kick our manual laborers out? Who is willing to go back in the mines and the mills for less than union scale until things are up again?and that's with exports reduced to early 20th century rates.

These are not bad ideas - but I question Americas commitment to itself. There are 300 million plus now ... do you really think they'd give up their artificial quality of life?

[Squib]

matt's example (and a shadow looming over us all after hurricane katrina)

what if someone was marching troops over here?  foreign or domestic is irrelevant if someone comes in your house- are you gonna lay on your couch and cry, open the door and smile, watch them take away your guns and hope they'll be protecting you later-- THEY ARE THE GOONS, UNIFORMS OR NOT.  what's legitimate about such a force.  sadly in louisiana people just let them walk in.. apparently a few soggy guys with minimal body armor can't be stopped by a rifle (strange thought: sapi plates weigh quite a bit- if I were worried about drowning then I would not wear them and I assume they weren't while raiding homes)

seems like all of the east coast but florida is compromised (florida has REAL communists coming over all the time, and converting, they're called cubans and end up being real americans which is more than I can say for many natural born)

west coast... we know california has been lost and now it's just gone off the deep end.  sadly it took a chunk of representatives from the house with it.

were they trying to take the southern coast? 

[SHOOTALL]

I have not read all .
 To ansewer your question NO . Because with the debt we are being strapped with and lower buying power of the wage we earn we are already loosing % of our wage . Add the tax cut being over and we loose more !
 No !

[teamnelson]

What do you think I meant by "if you knew it was best for the country?"

Did I ever say government mandated? Did I ever say across the board except for the fat cats currently in power? Exactly what do you suppose our perfect nation will look like when the dust settles? Do you suppose for one minute that if we're able to reverse the course of our nation and restore it to a constitutionally based government, that we'll also be able to continue our economy? Do you ever stop to think that in the name of freedom, we'll plunge into 2nd world status (if were lucky) for a period of time, and we won't be able to buy all the goods and services we have now, and the economy won't be able to support our current wage scales?

I picked 25% not as a government mandate but because that's my spitball number of how much our economy could support with a massive change to its current status, and it was probably low. So for the good of the country, would you fight to fix our nation IF YOU KNEW UP FRONT that you would lose another 25% or more of your paycheck due to the natural course of the economy. Have you counted the cost of your ideas and are you willing to pay for them, or are you going to wait on someone else to pay their due?

I have nothing but respect for the hard working tax paying Americans like myself, NW_Hunter, and y'all who have perhaps given more to this country than others. Ive been working since I was 14, enlisted for 12 years, took no loans to get through a Bachelors and a Masters. I did not opt out of Social Security when I was ordained. When I pastored I had a full time job besides, managing field line crews on the canadian and mexican borders. As a Chaplain no one has ever accused me of taking the easy route.

It makes me angry that so many great folks have convinced themselves that its out of their hands to fix whats broke.

[Squib]

verbal judo doesn't work on everyone

there is a gun march planned april 19th right?  gun owners of american I think...

[Matt]

It makes me angry that so many great folks have convinced themselves that its out of their hands to fix whats broke.

TN, I have to agree...

[Squib]

the sad thing is that a lot of young guys get all pumped up to go overseas yet have no real understanding of political ideology.  I bet a lot of those guys get out later, go nra/gun-nut/conservative FAST, maybe even because of their experiences... I did.  Before I was ignorant, now I'm just a hypocrite with regrets and medical issues.  All conspiracy theories aside the Middle East occupation is far beyond justifiable for any sort of patriotism.  yeah some people lost buddies to the violence, those buddies invaded a foreign nation, they rolled the dice and lost.  it happened to me, and I got busted too, I got over it the best I could and now I'm wiser- life goes on.  what have the politicians lost?  access to oil by establishing some serious leverage I think... guess kuwait isn't enough anymore?

anyone saying that revenge or mission accomplishment is necessary doesn't see the fued mentality that they are supporting
it's what's been driving middle eastern politics for thousands of years.... it's not going to stop until this nation walks away from it
it's not about being the better man, or turning the other cheek.  it's about not being a glutton for punishment.

[Matt]

the sad thing is that a lot of young guys get all pumped up to go overseas yet have no real understanding of political ideology.  I bet a lot of those guys get out later, go nra/gun-nut/conservative FAST, maybe even because of their experiences... I did.  Before I was ignorant, now I'm just a hypocrite with regrets and medical issues.  All conspiracy theories aside the Middle East occupation is far beyond justifiable for any sort of patriotism.  yeah some people lost buddies to the violence, those buddies invaded a foreign nation, they rolled the dice and lost.  it happened to me, and I got busted too, I got over it the best I could and now I'm wiser- life goes on.  what have the politicians lost?  access to oil by establishing some serious leverage I think... guess kuwait isn't enough anymore?

anyone saying that revenge or mission accomplishment is necessary doesn't see the fued mentality that they are supporting
it's what's been driving middle eastern politics for thousands of years.... it's not going to stop until this nation walks away from it
it's not about being the better man, or turning the other cheek.  it's about not being a glutton for punishment.

Cant argue with that... I have had many friends over the last 8yrs go to Iraq and Afghanistan and every one of them went over balls to the wall wanting to kill a "rag head" and some were still that way when they got back but none of them are now and they all question those who keep sending them over there... It is amazing what it takes to open some peoples eyes to what is really going on around them.

Matt

[Squib]

I didn't know if that cold, skeptical statement would actually get through without getting me hammered, I'm surprised.  I had to put my discharge papers on here once (along with my va card) just to convince people who DIDN'T go overseas that I've actually served at all because I wasn't thumping my chest like an ape.  That's how good the propaganda machine is- war used to be unpopular but the politicians started hiding behind the banner of patriotism to push totalitarianism (the welfare bum voters don't make good poster-boys)

here's what I got for bleeding in an alley full of trash, going virtually blind and cripple for six-months, and it wasn't handed to me by a general like it was supposed to be, it was sitting on my bed in the barracks five months after I got back- that's when it really clicked for me


and two years later learning that I am a right wing extremist, what a revelation!!!!!!

[Questor]

After talking with a lot of vets, particularly Viet Nam vets, over the years, I've observed that most of them did not seem to know what the war was about.

[Squib]

but they were "honored" with purple hearts and free insulin after agent orange trashed their bodies on a molecular level... that's fair.  seeing a guy sitting in a wheelchair with no legs but a semper fi hat on- that's sacrifice.