Author Topic: Are Glocks Inherently unsafe? (Read 11372 times)

Ole Man Dan · « **Reply #30 on:** January 25, 2010, 06:22:16 PM »

More Safe than a wheel gun... KYFOTT and never have an AD.
Avoid 'The Mexican Carry', it might shoot something you value...

(Pants can catch on the trigger)

People are inherently unsafe. Not guns. People Need training.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #31 on:** January 26, 2010, 12:33:30 AM »

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People are inherently unsafe. Not guns.

/\ Understatement of the week! Also most accurate statement of the week!

Welcome to the forum Old man dan!

jlwilliams · « **Reply #32 on:** January 26, 2010, 01:55:00 AM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on November 20, 2009, 05:55:03 AM

first time I saw a glock, in my infinite wisdom, I said it looked like a toy gun and would not catch on!

My grandfather tells me that when he first saw the M1 carbine ('show and tell' at ROTC before the war) his first thought was "Where do you put the corks for this pop-gun?". He changed his tune and ended up carrying one through most of his time in the South Pacific (77th Infantry). He describes the carbine as 'light enough to fire with one hand over the top of the hole, but still good enough to make an OK aimed shot, and powerful enough to kill at distances where you can hit with it." He was in the island hopping campain slogging through jungles and didn't see much long range shooting untill Okinawa. Not directly related to this thread, but your observation about first impression vs lasting impression of 'the new gun' reminded me so I thought I'd share the anecdote.

I like the Glock. I'm a little disapointed that this thread didn't turn into a purse fight. Usually a question like this would turn ugly as the Glock lovers and haters lined up and started swinging. It's fun to watch.

Dee · « **Reply #33 on:** January 26, 2010, 02:14:39 AM »

I don't love'em, and I don't hate'm. I was a Glock Armorer for years, and carried them off and on. The Glock is CARRY SPECIFIC in method, in that it's trigger mechanism is very unforgiving for the casual type carrier. It, if merely stuck in the pants can ruin your day, among other things.
If you carry a Glock you will either go by the Glock rules or eventually pay the price.
I am forever stickin a pistol in my waist band, (front-side) and goin off somewhere, or puttin one in the glove compartment. If it's a Glock, you better have it in a PROPER holster. You do that, and the gun is safe. You don't? Well good luck.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #34 on:** January 26, 2010, 05:05:45 AM »

"More safe than a wheel gun " BS !
A wheel gun could be single action and that is about as safe as it gets . The long DA pull agin is as safe as the Golck and may be more so depending on pull weight .

Dee · « **Reply #35 on:** January 26, 2010, 07:07:53 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 26, 2010, 05:05:45 AM

"More safe than a wheel gun " BS !
A wheel gun could be single action and that is about as safe as it gets . The long DA pull agin is as safe as the Golck and may be more so depending on pull weight .

As far as a lose carry, there is not comparison to safety between a wheel gun, and a Glock. The wheel gun is by far safer. I have carried every brand of wheel gun except the cheap ones, and and I have carried and or shot most of the Glocks. I have never shot, seen, or worked on a wheel gun, that in the double action mode was as easy to cycle as a Glock. Smoother yes, but not lighter. There is very little comparison between the two. The spring work in a revolver with a HAMMER, is very different than a Glock which has a STRIKER, and is (the striker) already partially drawn back, and stays drawn back, when ever a round is chambered, BEFORE the trigger is even pulled.
The Glock is safe "IF" the carrier is safe, and abides by the rules of Glock carry, which it to at all costs, protect the trigger with its' safety built in.
I agree SHOOTALL.

bubbinator · « **Reply #36 on:** February 03, 2010, 07:43:57 PM »

I concur with Dee. No one has said it better yet.

6Shooter · « **Reply #37 on:** March 21, 2010, 11:55:14 AM »

Just keep yer booger hook off the bang switch until ready to shoot.

Dee · « **Reply #38 on:** March 21, 2010, 12:29:51 PM »

Quote from: 6Shooter on March 21, 2010, 11:55:14 AM

Just keep yer booger hook off the bang switch until ready to shoot.

Now there's one I have never heard before, and I'm pretty old.

S.S. · « **Reply #39 on:** March 21, 2010, 02:23:18 PM »

Quote from: Savage on December 05, 2009, 10:12:15 AM

Quote from: shootinpreacher48 on December 03, 2009, 10:23:45 AM
the only thing about a glock that would make it unsafe would be reloads out of a glock due to the unsupported chamber. other then that they are great safe guns.

Yep, let's keep those nasty reloads out of those Glocks kids.
Savage

No problem at all with reloads out of the Glock? My 19 has eaten them for a decade and a half or more.

Mtn Jack · « **Reply #40 on:** April 03, 2010, 06:37:33 AM »

Yes glocks are very unsafe. I mean for the guy looking at the front end. Use a good holster and you will be fine. Carried mine 22 years now. No leaks yet.

muffindrvr · « **Reply #41 on:** April 04, 2010, 04:36:56 AM »

i have had glocks for years now and never had one problem with them.why cant people just take responsibilty fro their own actions.the gun will not go off with out the trigger being pulled.there have been thousands of tests done on these handguns. every scenario being done.if these handguns were unsafe glock would have been out of business years ago...yes they did have their share of problems when they first arrived on the market.but dam it just seems like any chance people get to slam these guns they go ahead and do it.there wasnt this big of an uproar when the almighty ruger had problems with their lcp pisols.that is the problem with this world today nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions they want to blame somebody or something.for their own stupidity .everybody is so worried about offending somebody.wah wah put on your big girl panties and deal with it ........

Oldshooter · « **Reply #42 on:** April 04, 2010, 04:32:27 PM »

Well fellas we can relax a bit there have been over forty posts thus far and although some here may not be in love with glocks no one yet has thought they were un safe that i can tell. I like my 45 and I bet my life on it every day, cause it goes where I go and I trust it with my life.

Frank V · « **Reply #43 on:** May 02, 2010, 11:52:30 AM »

I'm a bit late here, but the Glock isn't inherently unsafe. Operators are unsafe. I've put thousands of rounds through three Glocks & was teaching as thousands more were shot. We had very few malfunctions with it & no accidents that were found to be the guns fault. I like the Glock & think it's a fine weapon.
Frank

highwayman · « **Reply #44 on:** May 10, 2010, 02:40:30 PM »

what do you mean by ''unsupported chamber''

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #45 on:** May 11, 2010, 03:46:18 AM »

there is a small portion of the chamber on the bottom near the feed ramp that is not there to aid in feeding . If brass is reloaded enough and maxed out it can split in this area . 10 mm's are suppose to be bad about this . I saw one come apart this way when shooting handloads . To this day not sure if it was an over loaded round or not . It ignited the next 2 rounds in the mag , which blew the floor plate off . The slide and bbl cam off . Shooter was not hurt . All was found but mag spring . The gun was put back togather and fired with factory ammo and new mag. It worked perfect . Some bbls in other guns are the same .

JeffG · « **Reply #46 on:** May 11, 2010, 03:49:11 PM »

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Avoid 'The Mexican Carry', it might shoot something you value

More than your pants on the ground!

I am a brat though, I carry Mexican or commando all the time. And that trigger finger is well trained.

Pull the barrel offf your 1911 and chamber a loaded round....see the unsupported side? Called a feed ramp.

bubbinator · « **Reply #47 on:** May 24, 2010, 10:01:42 PM »

Lawyers may be the problem! When someone does something stupid "unintentionally of course", somebody wants to sue. My sister-in-law is a court stenographer for a big SE US law firm, travels all over doing depos. She could teach a Glock Class that would shame a factory rep ! She has done so many cases about Glock being sued she's got a 2 Gig memory stick of just case notes! We went and shot my 2, a 21 and 22, and she was really surprised after all she'd heard in court. There are at least 4 trigger-pull weights available, with cute names like NY & Ghost, and others 3.5/5/8/10? more? A Glock is a responsible gun owners gun, you know IT, IT works. You disrespect IT, It lets you know you screwed up PDQ. The whole gun totin' issue is: Those that do right, should/do have the privledge+right to do so. If their bricks are fallin' off the load- NOT IMHO

Slick4k · « **Reply #48 on:** June 08, 2010, 07:02:41 AM »

So what is a good holster for a Glock, specifcially a mdl 22. I've had mine for about a year and enjoy it, but it isn't my carry gun so I haven't gotten around to getting a holster. So what would suggest?
TIA
Slick4k
PS I'm a leftie.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #49 on:** June 08, 2010, 08:11:13 AM »

Galco maks several .

born-to-hunt · « **Reply #50 on:** June 08, 2010, 08:26:33 AM »

I know the military doesn't like the safety on glocks and thats why they aren't using them now but I think the reason anyone would say a glock is "unsafe" is because there is a light trigger pull and people tend to put their finger on the trigger as soon as it is out of their holster, belt pocket, ect and when there is a bad guy right in front of you, you will probably be pretty shaky and pull the trigger by accident but if people practice keeping that finger strait they shouldn't have mucha problem

my .02

bubbinator · « **Reply #51 on:** June 09, 2010, 08:19:45 PM »

Holsters for your Glock depends on what you want to do. Blackhawk's Holsters are excellent in durability/retention and warranty if needed. Used one for my 1911 on duty for years. I also carried my Glock 22 in an Uncle Mike's( agency issue, cheap but OK) Glock has a very light weight holster they make for their weapons that conceal well, no retention features, though. Mag pouches too. Fobus used to be cool, but there are LE videos on YouTube showing a bad guy coming up behind a cop wearing a Fobus and just breaking it off his belt in a snap and taking the gun ! If you can cover it with a loose shirt or jacket, I'd buy a Blackhawk. +/- 40 bucks, retention/ Left hand model/ kydex/ angle adjustable/ great warranty. Note-I'm a real BIG man and I broke a on/off belt carrier getting in and out of chairs with arms. I called Blackhawk, told them the situation and they sent me 3 !!, free. BTW, they were newer/stronger models and not problem since-two still in the box.

Bigeasy · « **Reply #52 on:** June 09, 2010, 09:06:54 PM »

Glocks go bang when you pull the trigger, when you don't pull the trigger, they don't. Nuff said..

Larry

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #53 on:** June 10, 2010, 02:49:17 AM »

really !

hornady · « **Reply #54 on:** June 25, 2010, 05:31:57 AM »

I will put my 2 cents worth in, I have the Glock 22, Best holster I have found the Cross bread super tuck, its ugly but it’s an IWB holster so who cares, I think reloads are only a problem if you don’t use your head, The barrel is unsupported, so even with a Redding G-RX die or the Lee Bulge buster, you may be bringing the case back to factory specs, But you are work hardening the brass, The 40 S&W is a high pressure round, so cases will fail sooner, I reload for the 40 and have not had a problem, But I do tend to keep better track of the 40 stuff than some of the lower pressure stuff.

navydoc3 · « **Reply #55 on:** December 28, 2010, 02:28:04 PM »

As a general rule I never put my finger in the trigger guard or on the trigger until I intend to fire my weapon (even with my wheel guns). I own a G23 and out of all my pieces this one is my favorite. Safety on - finger outside of the trigger guard. Safety off - finger on the trigger. That's just my own personal rule. I try to be as safe as I can. Have a good one and keep safe.

srwshooter · « **Reply #56 on:** December 31, 2010, 09:50:06 AM »

i've owned 10-12 glocks,they all shot great. i carry a glock 23 40cal. i open carry in a blackhawk serpa holster,the blackhawk will train you to draw the gun with your trigger finger straight out. its the only way you can get it out of the holster. another thing i like is most all the models will fit the same blackhawk holster.nobody else makes so many different models that work in one holster. i'm a lefty and i can get all the popular brands of holsters made in lefthand for my glocks.

Glock Doctor · « **Reply #57 on:** January 03, 2011, 04:18:50 AM »

They can be!

A Glock is only unsafe if you shoot yourself or someone else unintentionally with it. The rest of the time it's safe.

Squib · « **Reply #58 on:** January 23, 2011, 10:01:50 AM »

simple semi-auto... good, no. bad, no. good to have that option, yes!

the PROBLEM, is expecting a very simple weapon to compensate for very simple minds and a lack of training, discipline and weapon familiarity. a retard that cannot manipulate the controls of a 1911 or "forgets" to go on/off safe cannot be trusted to not have a negligent discharge with a glock. neither extreme is safe for stupid people.

Savage · « **Reply #59 on:** January 23, 2011, 11:19:02 AM »

Well, Squib. You just hit on one of the major selling points in the LE market. Departments were convinced they could get by with minimal firearms training with the Glock. Just like the DA revolver, just point and pull. That really sounded good to a lot of agencies with small training budgets and/or larger agencies with mandated lowered hiring standards. Not near enough emphasis is placed on firearms training, plus qualification standards are lowered to the lowest common denominator. The results of which are well documented. No firearm is safe in the hands of a fool.
Savage