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Scrap yards
« on: November 18, 2009, 06:16:02 PM »
I am headed to Seattle Sunday- actually Lynwood.  Will be there until Tuesday when we head back home.

Are there any scrap yards in the area that I should visit.  I am looking for round stock for projects and scrap yards that sell by the scrap pound and not at new metal or shorts prices.


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Re: Scrap yards
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2009, 11:25:36 PM »
I would look in old boat yards first if you have the time. They will have a good stock of old naval bronze prop shafts that they will sell much cheaper that the scrap yards that end up with them.

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Re: Scrap yards
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2009, 11:49:25 PM »
Good luck.  The ones I used to get steel from have shut out all individual buyers, I guess due to liability concerns or whatever.  Now what comes in only goes out in a railroad car.  One source I can still use is new metal dealers that sell round stock and other shapes.  They always have "drops" which are odd-sized pieces cut off the end of an ordered piece.  Some can be many feet long.  The per-foot price of drops is usually a good less than that of uncut stock.

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Re: Scrap yards
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 03:44:32 AM »
Thanks guys, that is the exact type of place I would look for if I was going to be there for a couple of days.  This is a one day trip and I need to be pointed to specific sites.

I am already set up to go to  Metal Shorts.  I found out that Boeing Surplus has gone all Ebay...darn!


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Re: Scrap yards
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2009, 06:38:15 AM »
Anybody familiar with Interwest Metals-Floyd Equip - Fife, Washington?

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Re: Scrap yards
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2009, 04:54:20 PM »
                                                              

                                                          Metal Scrap Yards


    Now that we know the type of item you are looking for we will be one the lookout for low carbon, heavy rounds.  These fellows who have lamented the fact that the 'old-time', retail, metal scrap yard is just about a thing of the past are, unfortunately correct.  Mike and I used to have 8 or 9 of those to pick from, but only 2 within 30 miles now.  

     Our favorite is K&K Surplus in Commerce City, Colorado about 10 miles north of Denver.  A constantly changing mix of metal 'drops', cut-offs, thick wall tube, D.O.M., etc., etc. keeps us coming back at least once a month, sometimes more.  

     Adams City Steel is our second favorite.  Building a 'Battleship?', no problem, they have steel sheets 10 X 16 feet one and two inches thick.  Lots of structural shapes for rifling machine builders too!  

     Alreco Aluminum Supply in close-by Henderson, Colo. has every size and type of aluminum scrap you can think of from 1/4" dia. rods 12" long to 3,000 lb. billets ready for foundry ops.  Lots and lots of tooling plates 7071 for 1/2 price of new too.  

     Some pics are below.  The big recyclers are edging these places out, but we hope they last for a long, long time, because they are so much fun to pick through.

Tracy and Mike


Tracy eyeballs straightness on a U-Channel for a Rifling Machine Base.
 



Got a nice 3" x 13.5" Low carbon round from this cluster today.  There are little one-pallet clusters like this all over the place.




Could be a BB Mortar tube in there: 8.5" I.D. x 18"




1.5" to 3.0" low carbon and stainless rounds here.




Building a Tannenburg Gonne on steroids?  You could start with a piece of this 2.5" Hex L.C. stock.




Building a machine?  These heavy duty racks could help.  The Pinion Gears are in a bucket nearby.  Clean 'em up with Naval Jelly, hot water and gear oil.


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Re: Scrap yards
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2009, 06:34:05 PM »
The only problem with mystery metal like that is you don't know what it is.  Sometimes it is so cheap that it makes up for that but other times it's better to know what you are buying.
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Re: Scrap yards
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2009, 10:35:06 PM »
Hi. That is very important that you know what materials you buy.

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Re: Scrap yards
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2009, 07:28:05 AM »
     If you guys had been following these postings by your fellow GBO Mortar and Cannon board members, then you would know under what conditions 'Hell Freezes Over'.   We WILL NOT be blowing ourselves up until this event takes place.  Read that, Never.  95% of the scrap steel or aluminum we get at these places goes right into machining fixtures.  We Never choose this type of unknown steel for medium or high-pressure applications.  Firecraker cannons and short golf ball mortars, for our use, is what this stuff is for.  Thought you guys knew us better than that by now.

     Anyway, it sure is lots of fun to wander among the pile of 'treasures' at the few remaining metal scrap yards that we have found around here.  We were just wondering if places like these still exist in your area?

4140/4150 are our  ONLY choices for customer cannon,

Mike and Tracy
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Re: Scrap yards
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2009, 01:03:19 PM »
     We almost forgot to include the most common of all uses of scrap steel rounds.  Medium and long range targets are stacked up in three different locations in the K&K yard.  If you limit yourself to lead or zinc cannonballs, these will last indefinitely.  We hang them by chains out to five hundred yards and they 'Ring' enough to be heard up to that distance.  The thicker ones can be used as targets at distances over 100 yards for the steel projectiles that we shoot from our "sales sample" rifled cannon that we make.  The bolts from 1/4" dia. to 1.00" Dia. make dandy breech plugs for those of you who don't have lathes or welding equipment.  You can get hundreds of taps of every size on Flea-Bay or at used tool auctions just like we do.  It's a proven method of plugging the breech and for you material purists out there, remember that not one of those hundreds of thousands of rifled muskets produced in the 1850s and 60s used breech plugs made of steel even half as good as these grade 3,5, and 8 bolts.  At 50 cents per pound you really can't go wrong if you are cautious and use some common sense.
      Our days of surf and turf are over; we are eating lots of beans and cornbread these days, so we naturally go back to our innate, far more frugal ways.  Scrap yards exploring is merely one way to do this.  If you think 50 cents per pound for steel is a savings of 50%, think again.  On most purchases we save from 250% to 600% depending on the type of "correct, documented and New steel" we are replacing.

FYI,

Mike and Tracy


Cheap targets piled up for your convenience.




Thicker target steel available too.




Busted baskets of beautiful bolts for breech plugs.  50 cents per Lb.



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Re: Scrap yards
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2009, 04:29:52 PM »
If anyone is in Central Florida, ACME Industrial Surplus is a great source for metal. It looks very much like the abouve scrap yard pictures. They also have an inside section with tool steel and lots of aluminum. They are located in Sanford FL right at I-4 and the St. johns river. I buy all of my large chunks of steel there to make fixtures for my my machining centers. I just got one big peice for $40 that Alro metal supply wanted $350 for.  They also have a bunch with the paperwork still taped on the end so you know what it is. 

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Re: Scrap yards
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2009, 02:45:12 AM »
We have a number of scrap yards in the Knowville area that can be interesting to pick over. A LOT of specialty materials as well as steel. The only caveat is that you really need to take a Geiger counter with you, some of this stuff ranges from mildly to glow in the dark hot.  It's not supposed to be there but turns up anyway from our proximity to Oak Ridge.  The contractors are not perfect when it comes to sorting stuff. They've had to do a couple of major cleanups in the past few years.   
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Re: Scrap yards
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2009, 01:18:20 PM »
This Morning I went to  Metal Shorts in Seattle.  They are a steel dealer that specializes in shorts, less than full 20 foot pieces of specialty steel.   Nice people, very friendly. I called my order ahead last week and it was wainting for me when I walked the door.  Pricing was pretty good

I bought 10 inch length of 4140 annealed  2 1/2 dia for $30.86 plus tax.

Here's what online small order dealers charge:

Metal Express $77.75

Online Metals  Not available

Speedy Metals $34.80


After picking up that steel I went down to Tacoma to Interwest Metals  Interwest Metals is a Metals  dealer who also sells surplus metals.  

I wanted 3 1/2 diameter but they didn't have any.  I only saw one piece of steel that big, it was 4 inch and it wasn't marked as to it was was-mystery metal? I asked for some help and told the guy I was looking for a piece 3 1/2 inch.  He said the only piece that had in the yard at the time that big was a piece of 1018 and he took me to the "mystery metal".  Nice friendly bunch of people in this place also.  Very willing to help and to smile.

I bought a 14 inch piece of the 4 inch diameter 1018 for $61.  Here's what online small order dealers charge:

Metal Express $97.98

Online Metals  Not available

Speedy Metals $78.40

Of course all the on line prices will also have shipping added to them. It was well worth my while to stop in to these places.