Author Topic: Lindsey Graham Utterly Destroys The Obama Decision To Try KSM In Civil Court (Read 1429 times)

Redhawk1 · « **on:** November 19, 2009, 01:28:32 AM »

Lindsey Graham is 100% correct here.

http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/11/18/lindsey-graham-utterly-destroys-the-obama-administration-decision-to-try-ksm-in-civilian-court/

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:20:16 AM »

it has been exposed for what it is...political oportunity to bash the previous administration. nothing more nothing less.

ms · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2009, 03:30:11 AM »

Quote from: Redtail1949 on November 19, 2009, 03:20:16 AM

it has been exposed for what it is...political oportunity to bash the previous administration. nothing more nothing less.

I agree but Lindsay Graham is no different then Obama there both traitors.

Heavy C · « **Reply #3 on:** November 19, 2009, 04:32:25 AM »

While I don't care for Lindsey Graham he did good yesterday. There was just no way to argue that. Holder looked like a 3rd grader (with all due respect to 3rd graders) trying to defend the decision.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #4 on:** November 19, 2009, 05:36:40 AM »

Quote from: Redtail1949 on November 19, 2009, 03:20:16 AM

it has been exposed for what it is...political oportunity to bash the previous administration. nothing more nothing less.

While i totaly agree with that statement, it is also another attempt to belittle this country, because "WE" are the ones that will be on trail in New York!

When the stuff hits the fan obama will throw holder under the bus!

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 19, 2009, 10:46:38 AM »

you know when it was brought up that the man wanted to plead guilty and be executed it was also revealed that the Law Firm that Eric Holder had worked for had filed suit to stop military commisions as unconstitutional. that put the bush administration on hold at Gitmo.

So now they scream Bush did nothing to bring them to justice...and it was them that stopped him.

Just think if they took his plea then shot the sob. it would be over lot less cost no danger to national security secrets or personell. He would have no forum and New Yorkers would not have to fear some radiacl suicide bomber out to protest the trial.

so now i clearly see it as nothing but political BS i would not doubt that the far lefties would love to see the courts set him fre...to satisfy the radicals in the ME. they are so stupid they probably believe they would pack it all in and never harm us again.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 22, 2009, 03:46:51 AM »

I saw today they are going to put the terrorists pictures up on a wall at the WTC memorial! The victims get their names, but their killers get their pictures! That is so wrong. I get the feeling that the gov't is trying to goad the people to riot with all of the ridiculous decisions they are making. If ksh walks because he wasn't mirandized or some other technicality, will that be enough to anger the sheeple enough to finally say ENOUGH? Or maybe they want the people to riot so martial law can be declared?

powderman · « **Reply #7 on:** November 22, 2009, 04:21:28 AM »

I see nothing but evil in osama or his appointed czars. POWDERMAN.

SM Bob · « **Reply #8 on:** November 22, 2009, 10:51:09 AM »

Quote from: Redtail1949 on November 19, 2009, 10:46:38 AM

it was also revealed that the Law Firm that Eric Holder had worked for had filed suit to stop military commisions as unconstitutional.

I never understood these treasonous commie lawyers contention that somehow these no good scumbags are afforded rights under our constitution. They aren't citizens. They aren't even considered enemy soldiers. They are enemy combatants. Similar to the Germans who came to the U.S. during WW2 to commit acts of sabotage. They were tried by a military court and executed. I think where Bush went wrong is he never got a declaration of war against al qaeda and anyone else who would do us harm. If it were up to me these scumbags would have accidently
fallen out of the back door of a C-130 at 10,000 ft with no parachute on the way
up from Gitmo.

Robert

powderman · « **Reply #9 on:** November 22, 2009, 01:04:47 PM »

SM BOB. YEP. POWDERMAN.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 22, 2009, 05:33:51 PM »

a friend told me he was humping the jungle in nam when a chopper came over and a NVA soldier hands tied came out the door...He said to his Sgt." ..damn did you see that guy fall out of that bird?" All the Sgt. replied was "........stay close you dumb$$ you sure got a lot to learn."

powderman · « **Reply #11 on:** November 23, 2009, 03:15:32 AM »

REDTAIL. Sounds like they shoulda tied the prisoners feet too, maybe he wouldn't have been able to escape. POWDERMAN.

magooch · « **Reply #12 on:** November 23, 2009, 03:57:49 AM »

I think there is a misunderstanding about what a declaration of war actually is. While President Bush may not have been handed a document that stated "declaration" and "war" by the Congress, he was given expressed permission to do whatever was necessary to fight terrorism. You can quibble about the word "necessary", but that is pretty much left to the Commander in Chief.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #13 on:** November 23, 2009, 04:02:01 AM »

I would hate to be a member of the group that decided to go into civil court if it fails to win the case for the American people . And to hold it in the town that suffered such loss . Talk about a lack of class !

Oldshooter · « **Reply #14 on:** November 23, 2009, 05:38:38 AM »

Well said ! Shootall

Questor · « **Reply #15 on:** November 23, 2009, 05:48:49 AM »

Right and wrong don't matter. It's happening anyway.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #16 on:** November 23, 2009, 06:18:55 AM »

aND GUESS WHAT, The ragheads are playing the game, they are pleading not guilty. I am shocked! and amazed!!!!!! Well dont that just make it a three ring circus up there in NY! They are gonna tell the world why they did what they did!! Why we deserved it!! and how they were coerced into spilling their guts about their complicity!!! not to mention a little more of our intelligence gathering will be trashed and exposed!!! MARK MY WORDS, unless there is a alternate plan by the atty Gen they will walk after "We" are convicted in the world court of opinion! Cause "WE" the US of A is being put on trial here! and the obama administration knows exactly what they are doing!!!!

mirage1988 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 23, 2009, 06:49:35 AM »

And after the ragheads walk, holder and his band of cronies will begin indicting everyone involved in their "false imprisonment and capture" all the way up to bush and cheney!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** November 23, 2009, 07:28:13 AM »

If this dosen't fly they may not have a job .

Oldshooter · « **Reply #19 on:** November 23, 2009, 10:27:21 AM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on November 23, 2009, 06:49:35 AM

And after the ragheads walk, holder and his band of cronies will begin indicting everyone involved in their "false imprisonment and capture" all the way up to bush and cheney!

YOU BETCHA!!!!!!!! They have been wanting to do that since they were elected , after the ragheads get off due to not being mirandized and tortute they will have the ammunition theyneed to go after bush and the previous administration. What did you think they were stupid? (Rhetorical Question)

Rustyinfla · « **Reply #20 on:** November 23, 2009, 11:16:00 AM »

When they take them to civil court and can't get a conviction what then? Turn them loose? On our streets? Maybe that's what it will take to cause Obama to lose the next election. When it turns out wrong you can bet they'll blame Bush.

jager · « **Reply #21 on:** November 23, 2009, 02:52:50 PM »

What happens if the NYC court convicts them as guilty although they have never been "Mirandized?" Does it mean a new "precedent" has been set for all U.S. citizens where our rights can also be violated in future trials? Correct me if I am wrong, but if these avowed "murderers" walk over a technicality, while getting a "world stage" to bash our country we lose as means to protect ourselves in all future "armed conflicts". And, if these Jihadist get their "just deserts" by being executed for their crimes, although they were never "read their rights", we also lose our constitutional rights along with our ability to fight these "thugs". Me thinks the "thugs" running this admistration are as dangerous as the thugs we are at war with

!!!

mirage1988 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 23, 2009, 03:08:42 PM »

Methinks they are much worse because they have the approval of the sheeple!

Quote from: jager on November 23, 2009, 02:52:50 PM

What happens if the NYC court convicts them as guilty although they have never been "Mirandized?" Does it mean a new "precedent" has been set for all U.S. citizens where our rights can also be violated in future trials? Me thinks the "thugs" running this admistration are as dangerous as the thugs we are at war with !!!

They will not be convicted in new york. If they were- everything that is right about the american justice system will have been proven wrong! There is ABSOLUTELY no way an unbiased jury could be found in new york for starters...... Isn't the surgeon general supposed to be the best surgeon in the country? I guess the attorney general doesn't have to live up to that standard huh?

Oldshooter · « **Reply #23 on:** November 23, 2009, 03:14:15 PM »

!!!!!!!!

Quote from: jager on November 23, 2009, 02:52:50 PM

What happens if the NYC court convicts them as guilty although they have never been "Mirandized?" Does it mean a new "precedent" has been set for all U.S. citizens where our rights can also be violated in future trials? Correct me if I am wrong, but if these avowed "murderers" walk over a technicality, while getting a "world stage" to bash our country we lose as means to protect ourselves in all future "armed conflicts". And, if these Jihadist get their "just deserts" by being executed for their crimes, although they were never "read their rights", we also lose our constitutional rights along with our ability to fight these "thugs". Me thinks the "thugs" running this admistration are as dangerous as the thugs we are at war with !!!

Valid points Pardner, and dont think Obama and his henchmen ain't thought of all of this all though I still think they are gonna walk as soon as their lawyers AKA the ACLU get a hold of this one, Crimanee! You thought OJ had a dream team? These women's feminine hygiene apparatus are gonna have the best lawyers oil money can buy!!!! and a line to sign on

Oldshooter · « **Reply #24 on:** November 23, 2009, 03:21:51 PM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on November 23, 2009, 03:08:42 PM

Methinks they are much worse because they have the approval of the sheeple!

Quote from: jager on November 23, 2009, 02:52:50 PM
What happens if the NYC court convicts them as guilty although they have never been "Mirandized?" Does it mean a new "precedent" has been set for all U.S. citizens where our rights can also be violated in future trials? Me thinks the "thugs" running this admistration are as dangerous as the thugs we are at war with !!!

They will not be convicted in new york. If they were- everything that is right about the american justice system will have been proven wrong! There is ABSOLUTELY no way an unbiased jury could be found in new york for starters...... Isn't the surgeon general supposed to be the best surgeon in the country? I guess the attorney general doesn't have to live up to that standard huh?

Mirage it will only take on wacko that wants to be famous to get a hung jury or not a conviction! to screw this whole thing up! I still say "they" know about all this and know good and well this aint gonna end well for this country!

Where is "our"(GBO) legal dept on this? Strangely absent ya think!

sorry my mind works faster than my fingers at times!

gypsyman · « **Reply #25 on:** November 23, 2009, 06:50:09 PM »

Maybe it's time to read Shakespear. Isn't he the one that said''kill the lawyers''. Good place to start before the terrorists. gypsyman

cwall · « **Reply #26 on:** November 23, 2009, 06:54:49 PM »

Hi All,

I think the only reason they will be tried in New York is that if they were tried by the military and found guilty, Obama, as Commander and Chief, would have to approve the execution order. He does not want to go there because of his Muslim ties.

Look for the same thing to happen in the Fort Hood killings or for the killer to get declared insane. Obama will not approve a death sentence for a Muslim.

Clayton

powderman · « **Reply #27 on:** November 24, 2009, 02:38:59 AM »

I believe osama knows exactly what he's doing. He figures NY would be a prejudiced jury, he also said, he will be found guilty and executed. This was all done for a jury to declare a mistrial. POWDERMAN.

Terbltim · « **Reply #28 on:** November 24, 2009, 03:51:04 AM »

Quote from: SM Bob on November 22, 2009, 10:51:09 AM

Quote from: Redtail1949 on November 19, 2009, 10:46:38 AM

"If it were up to me these scumbags would have accidently
fallen out of the back door of a C-130 at 10,000 ft with no parachute on the way up from Gitmo."
Robert

This is what I've thought should have happened [and been happening] all along.
I also agree TOTALLY with another post here...
The biggest mistake of the whole thing was/is failing to Declare WAR! on any/all of the organizations that have a name and publicly claim to want America defeated or destroyed.
Failing to do that is what opens up the legal can of worms.

BTW, that would technically include any & all members of the Muslin faith, whose "Bible" is the Koran, which very clearly states that anyone who doesn't submit to "Ah-Lah" must be slain.
No 3rd choice for "infidels" like me.
I suppose that must then include all the "sovereign states" that have that religion (Islam) as their first and highest authority. I'm OK with that too. When I was younger and "in-service" my superiors knew very well that I held that opinion/attitude towards "those people".
They call us their enemy, lets be their enemy.

Once someone is identified as an enemy there should be no thoughts of mercy or any other form of "thoughtful consideration".

The three best things in life:
"Crush your enemies,
See them driven before you,
And to hear the lamentations of their women."
(Conan the Barbarian)

That's what I think and I say it out loud whenever the subject comes up no matter who is present.
Scares the crap out of the Dems, (sissies all.)

nomosendero · « **Reply #29 on:** November 25, 2009, 03:47:20 AM »

LG is a wimp, but he had one good day at least.