Author Topic: I'd like to see a 9mm barrel option in addition to 357 and 44mag (Read 1163 times)

preventec47 · « **on:** November 20, 2009, 09:45:31 AM »

I was just thinking how nice to shoot the cheap 38 specials but I remembered
that most of the time 9mm is significantly cheaper than the 38 specials.

Of course the 9mm does not have a rim but that shouldnt give NEF
too much of a problem I dont think.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #1 on:** November 20, 2009, 10:42:32 AM »

it should be an easy barrel to manufacture. I have an insert for my 12 gauge barrrel that shoots 9mm's and it's a lot of fun....<><....

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #2 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:25:23 PM »

I'd get one. DP

45-70.gov · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2009, 03:31:45 PM »

probly load real quick
right out of a clip ...no loose ammo to fumble with

Catshooter45 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2009, 03:34:05 PM »

45 ACP!!!

Cat

Spanky · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2009, 04:44:42 PM »

The 25-20 and 32-20 would both be nice to have in a Handi.
I have a stubbed 32-20 and I wouldn't part with it.
The old classics are the ones that seem to work best in the Handi's.

Spanky

MSP Ret · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2009, 06:24:47 PM »

I have a stubbed SS barreled .45 ACP Handi and it is truely a "great gun"!....<><....

(much better than a 9mm)

Jimbo47 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 20, 2009, 10:07:20 PM »

.40 caliber Handi "truck gun" to match my .40 caliber Glock!

Catshooter45 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 21, 2009, 04:31:14 PM »

MSP Ret,

Do tell!! Do tell!! Details please!

Cat

LaOtto222 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 21, 2009, 11:48:04 PM »

What you shoot is is always your business - but I just do not see any advantage of 9mm, 45 ACP, 32-20, 32 H&R Mag, 25-20, etc over a 357 Mag/38 Special. if you hand load. Bullets are about as cheap for the 38/357 as they get, primers the same, powder the same - so there is not advantage to shoot anything else. If you want more punch load up hot 357. If you buy your ammo, the 9mm is a little cheaper to shoot than a 38 Special, but if you want cheap, just get a 22 Rim Fire, it don't get any cheaper than that. If they made a 9mm barrel, you would be restricted to 9mm which has considerably less punch than a 357 Mag, costs as much to shoot as 38 Special (if you hand load). Buying ammo, it is a little cheaper, but not as cheap as 22 Rim Fire. We are talking about a single shot rifle; you are not going to be shooting up hundreds of rounds a day, just punching paper, like say - a semi-auto; so costs is not that much of a factor. If you are the rare individual who will spend all day shooting up a few hundred rounds in a single shot rifle - get a 22 Rim Fire. There is always the" I always wanted one", "it is different", or "I have something you don't" that you can not put a price on. I just do not see how a gun manufacturer can make enough "novelty" barrels to make it worth while + there is no advantage over a 38/357. This is a free country (so far, Thank God! and the many people who have sacrificed their lives for it) so if you have enough money you can do as you please - I just do not see any real advantage of shooting any thing smaller than a 357 barrel, other than a 22 Rim Fire. I am talking being practical, not any emotional factors. Good Luck and Good Shooting.

Datil · « **Reply #10 on:** November 22, 2009, 02:21:25 AM »

I think (My 2 cents) Larry is 100% correct in his post. It every body's Money and efforts to get what they want.
I had to have a 25-35 Handi. Got it cost was mucho grande.
Datil

Lucky Joe · « **Reply #11 on:** November 22, 2009, 02:59:15 AM »

I agree with Larry, the .38/.357 is hard to beat. But it's always fun to dream.

preventec47 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 22, 2009, 03:58:16 AM »

All the arguments are valid about 38 special and 357 versatility and reload cost.
and I would love to own one...

BUT

The two reasons I've justified a 9mm is I do not reload for my 9mm pistol
and yes the 9mm amm is significantly cheaper off the store shelf when on
sale than the 38 special. In fact it is the cheapest store bought pistol
ammo period. Even cheaper than .380 .32 or .25.
That has to be due to military economies of scale demand etc.
Like the man says, when shooting single shot you dont shoot
enough ( I don think ) to justify reloading.

ALSO, I have a 9mm pistol and do not have a 38 or 357. So uniquely for me,
the 9mm would be better. As far as 22 rimfire, yea that is cheaper no question
but I think that there must be some critter that can be much more easily
dispatched with a 124 gr bullet at 1200 fps than a 40gr bullet at the same
speed. That is the equivalent of three 22 bullets.... how can it not be a lot
more effective. Actually I think the 9mm rifles are seeing 1400 fps with the
9mm 124 gr bullets. Probably 4 times the energy of 22 LR.

and yes of course, I can see anyone else that owns a pistol in 45LCP or .40
or 10mm also wanting a single shot rifle in the same caliber. I like em all
but I dont own em all.

come to think of it, thinking about versatility in terms of rifles shooting the
same ammo as our pistols... I wonder if Quicktodo is shooting
or could load a 410 shell into his reamed out 45LC conversion to SW-460 ?

jlwilliams · « **Reply #13 on:** November 22, 2009, 05:00:19 AM »

I couldn't agree more. Lots of guys don't load and have pistol ammo. 9mm, 40 and 45 Handis would bring in new and old customers, lots of them. I think that NEF is losing out by not offering Handis in the popular auto pistol calibers.

Look at last years gun sales, then follow this line of reasoning. Last year we saw unperecedented gun sales in reaction to the new administration. All categories of guns sold, but asault rifles and auto pistols led the trend. We saw lots of folks get that gun they had meant to buy for a while to round out their collection; but we saw epic numbers of first time buyers. That's a lot of guys with an AR or a Glock and no other gun. Then.....we saw ammo shortages the likes of which haven't been seen since WWII.

If you were a one gun owner. Maybe you picked up an SD or a Glock last year. You have a little ammo for it, the price of ammo makes you shy about stocking up on another caliber or about blasting through what you have. How would you view a practical little rifle in your chosen caliber? Something you could plink with or use to drop a ferral dog or a racoon if need be, and buy it on a blue collar paycheck. Those of us who are in to Handis know that a little single shot rifle is pretty darned practical. A single shot rifle would give the one handgun owner the option of making longer shots, and of shooting some game (lots of state by state laws to consider, but the option would be there). Who else but NEF could offer that for the price of a Handi? No one.

I think that they would sell bunches of them. Existing Handi owners would buy some and would get the accessory barrels, but the big result would be bringing new people into Handi rifles. They may do well offering combos with a 9mm, 40 or a 45 paired with a 223 or a 308. Go right for the guy who bought into the military/tactcal gun craze and sell him a gun he can really use. You would see pistol cal. Handis in Survivor stocks, and you'd see them fast.

c1skout · « **Reply #14 on:** November 22, 2009, 08:28:29 AM »

I want a 45acp Handi with a survivor stock. Make sure it comes with iron sights too, preferably not fiber optics. I'd prefer an ejector over the extractor but if they would only make it with the extractor I'd still buy one. Heck I might buy 2.

LaOtto222 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 22, 2009, 11:33:56 AM »

If you want an inexpensive 9mm or a 40 carbine look at this

http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/carbines/9mm_carbine/9mm_carbine.html

These are cheaper than you can buy a Handi for and they are Semi-Automatic. They were on sale last Christmas for $150.00

I could be wrong, I just do not think it would be economical for Remington to make single shot rifles in pistol cases other than the ones already offered.

jlwilliams · « **Reply #16 on:** November 22, 2009, 12:23:46 PM »

I have to disagree. I think they would make money. We may never know. The only way to really know for sure would be for them to try it. If they do, I'll jump as fast as I can, just in case you are right. I wouldn't want to wait around on the theory that 'I'll be able to get one later'.

I see your point, but at the same time they do offer them in some pistol calibers and they do sell. Granted, revolvers make better pistol/rifle combos with a single shot, and revolver ammo can (in general) be more powerful. I just see vast numbers of auto pistols and vast quantities of ammo for them. Why not offer it is what I say.

Besides a 9mm or a 45acp could (and in short order would be, by folks right on this board) be reamed to 9mm Win Mag and 45 Win Mag

Now wouldn't that be fun.....

Odin · « **Reply #17 on:** November 22, 2009, 01:23:46 PM »

Personally, I would love to see a single shot rifle in 9mm, or 40 S&W to complement my pistols. If H&R/Remington won’t do it I would hope Rossi does. I would prefer H&R but would buy a Rossi if they were the only game in town.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #18 on:** November 22, 2009, 02:41:52 PM »

the way it is now
if you want a hadi rifle / hand gun combo

get a revolver [they are better anyway]
in 357mag/38 or 44mag/special or 45 colt

i think it would be wise of H&R to come out with a ''companion''series i pistol calibers
16 in scope ready .25acp up to 500S&W

xhare · « **Reply #19 on:** November 22, 2009, 06:33:12 PM »

Here is my reasoning as I have expressed it before. The 45 ACP would cost H&R very little money because they already have the 45 colt barrels, all they have to do is cut a different chamber and a make a different extractor and bingo, done.

Perhaps the 9mm chamber could be put on the 357 barrels, perhaps not, but I think they would sell despite being .002 overbore. Considering the wide variation in 44 mag barrels, they might come overbore anyway.

While they dont have a .400 barrel, making one would allow them to not only chamber the 40 S&W but also the 38-40. I think both would sell. The 38-40 done up like the 45 colt carbine would sell particularly well I bet. And how long would it take Quick to turn a 40 S&W into a 10mm? Not long I would reckon. If not him, someone would.

My point is I think H&R could maximize their returns if they followed this reasoning.

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 23, 2009, 12:19:05 AM »

I really think H&R would be better off focusing on making more Buffalo Classic type rifles in older calibers. 25-20, 38-40, 44-40, maybe even factory 30-40 Krag. Anyone who wants to have one of these calibers now has to pay a fortune or DIY. Since alot of these older cartridges can be made from cutting different chambers on bores they already manufacture I don't think they'd increase costs greatly and would be the only low cost manufacturers of these calibers....just a thought, I doubt they are listening to me.

Graycg · « **Reply #21 on:** November 23, 2009, 01:16:57 AM »

Well,
since they are owned by Remington now, perhaps the idea of a "Handi-rifle Classic" series could be sold on them, every year for a year only, make the Handi-rifle in some classic caliber that collectors could grab up and then go away so as not to be a cash drain on the system. Face it, they have to stay in business! I think a classic system could work...and then that 35 Remington could be the first edition!

regards,
Graycg

bigbuckdown280 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 23, 2009, 01:37:18 AM »

If .40 was added to the line it could be reamed out to 10mm. Some hot 10mm loads in a Handi would be a great little gun capable of taking deer or other big game. No, it wouldn't be any more capable than the .44 thats already offered, but thats the fun of having a Handi!!!

jlwilliams · « **Reply #23 on:** November 23, 2009, 02:05:17 AM »

Expanding the Buffalo Classic line or making a 'Classic' line would both be winners. Lot's of cowboy action enthusiasts out there with limited options in those calibers. Again, who offers squat in the NEF/H&R price point? Rhetorical question.....The simple break open gun is a natural for old 'obsolete' rounds.

Here-in is the beuty of these guns. The basic gun is the same. Dressed up in wood with a few brass accents and chambered in 38-40, it looks like 19th century shooting iron; dressed in plastic with a 16" barrel, a red dot chambered in 40 S&W you have 21st century survival carbine. Two completely different guns with the same action and bore, different furniture (already in the line, except the brass hint hint) and different chamber reamers.