fox river fifty

[sturgeonhunter]

what is the max load of pyrodex ffg i'm using a 50 cal 380gr conical bullet that i cast my self

[Buckskins & Black Powder]

that should be a traditions make muzzleloader. 100-110 it the limit i believe.

[sturgeonhunter]

that is what I was loading around 100 to 110.I have a friend that told me the old timers would load until un burned powder came out a landed on the snow and then back off untill there was no unbured powder being shot out. he said you couln't overload a muzzleloader I don't believe him so I will stick to my 100 to110

[necchi]

your freind is a fruitcake, if he say's "here, hold my beer and watch this!" Take the beer and run!

That shooting over snow is a myth,,besides, max loads seldom = best accuracy

[sturgeonhunter]

Thank for confirming what I already thougt about my friends helpfull advice. With friends like that you don't need enemys. Thanks

[Buckskins & Black Powder]

my guess is that you will find the best accuracy between 80-100 grains Pyrodex RS.

[Bladeforger]

your freind is a fruitcake, if he say's "here, hold my beer and watch this!" Take the beer and run!

That shooting over snow is a myth,,besides, max loads seldom = best accuracy

+1

...along with the bs about pouring enough powder to cover the bullet, etc.  There is more MISinformation about black powder loadings like that around then you'd believe!!!

Speer has loads.  Thompson Center has loads in their owners manual.  There's a link to a pdf for it somewhere on here

http://www.tcarms.com/assets/manuals/current/Shooting_TC_Side_Lock_Black_Powder_Guns.pdf

Thar tis!
Look on page 79 for this:

350 - 370 Grain
  Lead Bullet
                 70 grs. FFG 1327 F.P.S. 1447 Ft. Lbs.
                 80 grs. FFG 1418 F.P.S. 1652 Ft. Lbs.
                 90 grs. FFG 1465 F.P.S. 1764 Ft. Lbs.
                100 grs. FFG 1525 F.P.S. 1911 Ft. Lbs.

Incidentally the 100 grain is listed as the max load for this size and for the 460-470 grain bullet.  By comparison, 110 is the max load for the 275-320 grain bullet as well as for round ball.  That's all .50 caliber of course. 

[Cilydaniel]

I just bought the same rifle, got a great deal. I hope. Anyway, Mine is 50 cal, Fox River Fifty, made overseas, forgot.
I am looking for a manual of this rifle.
I am completely new to Muzzleloaders, so any help will be great.
I am searching internet for all i can. Does anyone have info on it. what kind of bullets i can use, caps, this that, you name it. thanks
Feel free to message me.
thanks
DOnny

[arcticap]

The barrel has a medium 1 in 48 inch twist which will shoot patched round balls, conicals and some saboted bullets.
The main problem is that the sights are fixed and can't be easily adjusted for different bullet trajectories at various distances. In other words Kentucky windage is necessary if shooting different projectiles.
Experimentation is needed with each load in order to learn where the point of aim hits the target for each type of bullet.
I found that mine likes shooting patched round balls out to about 50 yards with a moderate load of about 50 grains of powder, a .490 ball and a lubed .015 patch.
A more powerful load can be worked up by increasing the powder charge in 5-10 grain increments until you're satisified with the results.

And moderate weight .50 caliber conicals like the 275 grain TC Maxihunter are worth a try and will sometimes benefit by placing a wool wad over the powder before loading the bullet.
Shooting patched round balls at 50 yards is probably the best place to start to see just where the sights will impact.
You need to use an #11 cap, and be sure to clean all of the powder residue from the gun after every shooting session.

[quickdtoo]

Read the sticky on what can be discussed in this forum, sabots can't.

Tim

[Cuts Crooked]

Read the sticky on what can be discussed in this forum, sabots can't.

Tim

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Re: What this forum IS and what it IS NOT!
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2006, 04:37:37 PM » 

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I guess I'd have given the same response Tim did really. But honestly it doesn't "fit just right" into either forum and is likely something darn few do. So long as we don't get too carried away I suppose it's OK to ask either place but honestly I see it fitting more properly in the modern forum than here.

 

Well.......that wuz GBs response to that exact subject in the the stickeys up yonder ways. So I'd ask away. If it doesn't fit either place then it may be time to create a proper place?
 

[necchi]

may be time to create a proper place?

Cheesh,,guy's on the modern can answer ?'s about sabots. The science and modern tech behind it all is such a far reach from traditional mixing the two is just plain tuff.
 Experianced shooters know the 1-48 is a comprimise twist in modern replica traditional arms to begin with, the cost of the many different, bullet type, bullet shapes and cups available to modern is prohibitive enough alone, too recomend experimentation in a gun that wasn't designed for them.
 It's much easier to send the person that wants to know over to the experianced folks with sabots and let them give experianced answers. If the gun in question is capable of modern projectiles, we have just saved that person time and money.

[quickdtoo]

Until Bill changes the rules, sabots will be discussed in the modern forum, I've been editing out those comments that would encourage more discussion on them here, but if they're just mentioned in passing and not the topic of discussion, they remain.

Tim

For the purpose of this forum it is NOT traditional if:

1. it is an inline.
2. it uses non replacement smokeless powder aka the Savage. Black powder and all BP replacement propellants are traditional enough for this forum.
3. it uses shotshell or rifle/handgun primers whether in a partial case or not.
4. it uses saboted projectiles, jacketed bullets, and Powerbelt bullets.

[Cuts Crooked]

Ok, better edit Bills post in the locked thread then.  

Can I ask about using bismuth shot or tungston in a scatter gun? How about plastic shot cups?

PS, ANY front stuffer can use *@%0+$ and the concept is as old as front stuffing cannons.

Look, I'm NOT looking fer a spat here but the reality is that Bill stated what he did in the above thread, inspite of what the stated rule is, and it really has no place else. The guy was asking about projectiles in a TRADITIONAL gun. Why make an issue out of it if Bill thinks it's ok?

I'll shut up now....