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Tumble Lube question?
« on: November 22, 2009, 04:02:06 PM »
     Veral,
A few friend‘s of mine have this one going thing about tumble lube bullets.  Two of them say you cannot use a hard lube like LBT and one of them say’s you can. These are for 44 mag hand guns, rifles, 45/70 and 450 Marlins. Most of their loads are from mild to near max loads.
 So can you help put an end to the years of bickering?
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Re: Lube question?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2009, 04:36:54 PM »
  Certainly.  I used to make a tumble lube which was the same formula as my other LBT lubes except as hard as I could make it.  The problem I had with it was that people only bought one stick, as it lasted for about 10,000 bullets!  I made it hard as possible so it would be the least tacky possible.  While we are on the subject, I invented the tumble lube grooving which was "Inovated" by Lee, the 'inovators', immediately after I wrote it up in the CBA newsletter, and before I could get my mold making equipment running.  Their version is still used by LEE, I guess close to 30 years later,  except they put a wider drive band on the bottom which degrades performance.  It would be better up front.  Neverthe less, I found that any cast bullet will work well when tumble lubed, so didn't bother making them when I finally got started making molds.
    I don't believe you can find a better tumble lube than any one of the LBT bullet lubes.  Commercial will be the least tacky, blue less so, and Blue soft the most tacky of the three, but less tacky than Liquid Alox, and far more effective as a lubricant.
  The best way to apply is to warm the bullets, one layer deep in an aluminum cake tin, in a kitchen oven.  Take the temperature to about 225, which will be just a little above the lubes melt point.  Apply ONLY enough lube to make the bullets surfaces look wet when the whole pan full is gently rocked, or shook, from side to side.  The first batch in a clean pan will take a lot more lube than following batches as the pan has to be wetted before the bullets can, but after the first batch, I'll guess that 10 or 15 drops will wet 100 or so of your 45 bullets.  Adding more lube will only make things more messy.  Highest velocity will probably be obtained if bullet hardness is from 12 to 16 bhn.  Harder will cause leading to start at lower velocities, as will softer.  Top velocities require lube grooves to be filled to get hydrolic lube pressure, but for 45-70 I expect one could easily get full power.  In revolvers I found 1200 fps to be max speed in temperatures above 95 deg F, but when temps are 80 F and lower, revolvers with good smooth bores will shoot with freedom from leading at speeds to 1400 fps and a bit higher.
   I guess you probably understand, this lube is CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP when used as a tumble lube, because probably the lube used on 4 normal bullets with grooves filled will lube a hundred.
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Re: Tumble Lube question?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 02:01:12 AM »
Veral, This is very interesting as I love your Blue soft used "traditionally".  I have a few TL moulds that were made by a small maker that has since gone out of business and they shoot great at 1000fps and below with Alox.  This tip is something I will try.  One question...

Is it possible to "thin" your heated soft lube with a mineral spirit or something like that or is it just a waste of time.  Thanks for your help as always.

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Re: Tumble Lube question?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 07:43:28 PM »
  I think that any kind of thinner would make a mess, and for sure it would require a long drying time.  Melting it on is very quick, sure, and no fumes.
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