Author Topic: H&R 1871 no longer fitting barrels, but we found out they are. (Read 6227 times)

Cottonwood · « **on:** November 23, 2009, 08:47:40 AM »

I just got off the phone with H&R 1871 because the now 204 Ruger barrel will not lock up, and I was going to send it in for them to fit. Well in the repairs depts own voice he said Remington/H&R is no longer fitting barrels.

Guess I will attempt this myself since the fit is tight, but the locking device just doesn't click to secure a lock up.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** November 23, 2009, 09:17:38 AM »

I think what they meant was they're shutdown for the holidays, but I haven't got the official word on it yet.

Tim

velvalco · « **Reply #2 on:** November 23, 2009, 09:35:16 AM »

it's not as complicated as you might think to fit it, i just fit the 7mm-08 barrel i got of here, in less than 2 hours. I used the instructions off here.

Cottonwood · « **Reply #3 on:** November 23, 2009, 09:45:06 AM »

I noticed my neighbor who was home, and is a gunsmith (I know everyone needs a neighbor like this)

He looked at the lug, and knew right away what to do.....

He handed me a nice file, and said just stroke a bit at a time until this locks up, making sure to do both the underside and top of the lug lip area that catches the lock up.

This now locks up securely, and as soon as I get some ammo I will be headed to the range

As far as H&R 1871 LLC goes and the information I got from the guy at the other end at 1-866-776-9292 ext 4 he seemed very addiment about Remington/H&R not fitting barrels any longer. This does go along with what the sales guy said that sold me my Handi Rifle 7mm-08 at the local sporting goods store. He stated that the Remington rep stated that Remington/H&R was discontinuing the barrel accessory program all together.

Now we just have to wait for the official letter from H&R 1871 LLC to see if this valid or not.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #4 on:** November 23, 2009, 10:27:09 AM »

That rumor has been perpetuated by ignorant Remington dealers and representatives and others that don't have a clue.

I just got an email yesterday from my H&R/Marlin guy, he would have mentioned it if it were true.

Tim

briannmilewis · « **Reply #5 on:** November 23, 2009, 10:59:06 AM »

For every accessory barrel sold it is one less rifle you buy from your dealer...so who is effected most by the barrel accessory program and who would wish it go away the most? Follow the money. Seems like a pretty good perpetual rumor for dealers to have about so you will buy a new rifle rather than get a new barrel fitted...hmmmm!

Tim is the man who knows, and if he doesn't know something regarding Rem/H&R, he always finds out the truth for us.

Mitch in MI · « **Reply #6 on:** November 23, 2009, 12:12:55 PM »

I could believe it if you said they would no longer fit used barrels that you send in to them...

knight0334 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 23, 2009, 03:32:06 PM »

If by chance they do discontinue the barrel program, they better ramp up production. Most of the distributors have jack crap in stock. And its a rare event to find a Handi or even a Pardner shotgun in a gunshop these days.

Squib · « **Reply #8 on:** November 23, 2009, 08:15:03 PM »

hey I know I'm off subject a little bit but..

I've got one coming in anytime now in 45-70, and I was wondering what else to get for real game-stopping power

a guy at work that builds rifles (quite well, actually) always talks soooo much about 22-250 like it's magical (we even got into it and I told him that was why captain hook captured tinkerbell once, to stuff her into a muzzleloader and kill the crocodile and peter pan with a heat seaking magic shot out of a .224 bore pistol... )

anyways, I hear it's really bad about tearing up barrels if loaded to max... can the handi handle 22-250 AND 45-70 upper loads for long, especially if I keep switching barrels back and forth (changing the mating surfaces would wear out the latch?) all this talk of shutting down the barrel fitting operation makes me want to send that gun right back and get a new barrel or two NOW!

help quick/tim

cwlongshot · « **Reply #9 on:** November 23, 2009, 11:54:11 PM »

Quote from: Squib on November 23, 2009, 08:15:03 PM

hey I know I'm off subject a little bit but..

I've got one coming in anytime now in 45-70, and I was wondering what else to get for real game-stopping power

a guy at work that builds rifles (quite well, actually) always talks soooo much about 22-250 like it's magical (we even got into it and I told him that was why captain hook captured tinker bell once, to stuff her into a muzzle loader and kill the crocodile and peter pan with a heat seeking magic shot out of a .224 bore pistol... )

anyways, I hear it's really bad about tearing up barrels if loaded to max... can the handi handle 22-250 AND 45-70 upper loads for long, especially if I keep switching barrels back and forth (changing the mating surfaces would wear out the latch?) all this talk of shutting down the barrel fitting operation makes me want to send that gun right back and get a new barrel or two NOW!

help quick/tim

The handi is fine for both calibers.

In the 45-70 it will handle hot loads MUCH better than 99% of the shooters who shot it.

As far as the 22-250 being a barrel burner, don't shoot it if its too hot to hold on to the barrel. Same is true for ANY FIREARM. Stop shooting if you cannot hold your hand on the barrel!!

Go buy them and enjoy!!

CW

LaOtto222 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 23, 2009, 11:58:29 PM »

As far as the 45-70 is concerned - you are going to have to do one whale of a lot of shooting to wear out a barrel. I doubt if you can. I would be more concerned about damaging the barrel through poor cleaning practices. As far as the 22-250 is concerned - you can shoot out one of these, but again, poor cleaning practices will ruin a barrel quicker than any thing else. If you do not run the highest pressures, use a good 1 piece rod with a guide the 22-250 will last a long time, some where around 3000 rounds, maybe more. If you shoot 200 rounds a year it will last for 15 years or more. It should not be a problem, unless you get into PD fields and shoot up 200 rounds or more a day. Good Luck and Good Shooting

wreckhog · « **Reply #11 on:** November 24, 2009, 02:57:02 AM »

22-250 is real popular by me for the one gun hunters. OK for varmints, predator control, and as medium range deer gun. Heard it is tough on brass in a Handi. For that purpose, you'd be shooting 1 box of ammo a year (my bud shot 3 rounds out of his Ruger 1 Saturday, 1 miss, 1 hit, 1 coup de grace, he complained that he used 3 years of ammo for 1 deer).

bobg · « **Reply #12 on:** November 24, 2009, 03:02:32 AM »

I agree with Knight. No one around here stocks them anymore. I was at the local dealer the other day. Ask him if he had any. He told me no. He could not sell them. I find that hard to believe. When he did stock them i bought four from him.

I have an extra frame. Guess after the first of the year i will send it in for a 357 Mag. barrel.
bobg

Cottonwood · « **Reply #13 on:** November 24, 2009, 03:11:05 AM »

The .22-250 just happens to be one of the next barrels that I do want, its just something about those little bullets I like.

sillasr · « **Reply #14 on:** November 24, 2009, 05:40:30 AM »

11/24/09 at 0945 hours I called and rep indicated they will fit barrels and have not discontinued the barrel program.

Brett · « **Reply #15 on:** November 24, 2009, 05:59:13 AM »

Handi's are not all that rare in my neck of the woods. My local Wally-World had three of them with scopes in their display rack on Monday when I went to look for ammo. A .223, a .245, and a 30-06 and if I remember right the price was something like $398.00 each.

The ammo was a hole other story. No 9mm at all and the only .38spl they had was Winchester FMJ in 100 round "value packs" for $32 and change. Who shoots FMJ's in a .38 and at 32+ cents a round why would you?

MSP Ret · « **Reply #16 on:** November 24, 2009, 06:11:38 AM »

$32 for a 100 round value pack of Winchester .223, FMJ or not, is a decent price around here....<><....

wreckhog · « **Reply #17 on:** November 24, 2009, 07:12:57 AM »

Quote from: Brett on November 24, 2009, 05:59:13 AM

Handi's are not all that rare in my neck of the woods. My local Wally-World had three of them with scopes in their display rack on Monday when I went to look for ammo. A .223, a .245, and a 30-06 and if I remember right the price was something like $398.00 each.

The ammo was a hole other story. No 9mm at all and the only .38spl they had was Winchester FMJ in 100 round "value packs" for $32 and change. Who shoots FMJ's in a .38 and at 32+ cents a round why would you?

32 cents each is less than it costs you to assemble that exact round with new components for 100 rounds purchased today.

Squib · « **Reply #18 on:** November 24, 2009, 07:37:25 AM »

no, I meant is it hard on the recievers... maybe that's a dumb question but mine isn't in yet (should be today)

if I get it broke in w/45-70, then start switching the barrel around, how is that gonna wear on the reciever

maybe I got it out right this time (I'm a rambler)

thanks guys

wreckhog · « **Reply #19 on:** November 24, 2009, 08:03:03 AM »

Swapping barrels does not appear to wear the receiver much more than opening and closing the action. Not like an Encore where people egg out the hole for the pin and need to buy an oversized pin.

Brett · « **Reply #20 on:** November 24, 2009, 11:15:19 AM »

Quote from: MSP Ret on November 24, 2009, 06:11:38 AM

$32 for a 100 round value pack of Winchester .223, FMJ or not, is a decent price around here....<><....

MSP, $32 for 100 rounds of .223 Remington wouldn't be a bad deal but I was talking about 100 rounds or .38 S&W Special hand gun ammo.

Squib · « **Reply #21 on:** November 24, 2009, 07:47:08 PM »

wreckhog that's not even a problem I was aware of... so a good answer (answering questions I didn't ask is service indeed) but I mean the mating surfaces .. will the reciever wear down or is the barrel the only part that wears much (like I said I don't have mine yet, and I've never even owned a breech action before)

thanks wreckhog

omcforever · « **Reply #22 on:** November 24, 2009, 09:34:47 PM »

38 grains of H380 behind a speer 52 grain hollow point is awesome and not max but deadly accurate and easy on a barrel of a 22-250.

(Now my 223 WSSM is a barrel burner if abused and not cleaned properly)

Squib · « **Reply #23 on:** November 24, 2009, 09:43:45 PM »

that too... if i wear out a barrel using a very high intensity cartridge and have to put on ANOTHER new barrel after I burn one out, I'd start with wear from a third barrel on the same reciever.. I'm wondering how much that all adds up.. if the handi is as good as it's said to be then I'll be shooting a lot

wreckhog · « **Reply #24 on:** November 25, 2009, 02:04:38 AM »

I don't know if anyone on GBO has ever worn out a handi barrel. The cartridges are not as "hot" and the pace is slower.

wreckhog · « **Reply #25 on:** November 25, 2009, 02:07:35 AM »

I have seen the occasional reference to shooting the gun loose. Since some handis unfortunately come "loose" from the factory, who can say what happened.

Squib · « **Reply #26 on:** November 25, 2009, 04:56:24 PM »

yeah, I'm probably just worrying too much

well I made a good first step to breaking my gun snobbery awhile back getting a "foreign" 1911

now I'm working on getting rifles under $700.. I'm not saying my character or thrift has improved but my monetary situation got worse (me and the g/f got a house and her money all goes to school so guess who pays for almost all of it-- and by the time she's out of school we'll be married and have kids most likely so I better start liking those handis!!!)

I'm sure you older/married/been in the real world longer guys know about the $$$

and you know about the handis so I'm gonna keep picking brains. here's a new question wreckhog: can changing pins strengthen the actions (like putting a stouter base pin in a single action)?

BIGDAVE54 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 27, 2009, 03:56:26 PM »

I just got home from our yearly Black Friday Shopping Run to the upstate of South Carolina. My wife and her best friend and me drove from Columbia up the interstate to the Academy Sports store in Spartanburg, and then on up to the mall outlet stores in Gafney,SC. I walked into the Academy store and they had super deals on a lot of things...a Taurus 40 cal for $299 and a Marlin 22 and Savage auto loaders for $95-$99....It was a tax free weekend on all firearm sales this weekend. That's when I saw the one rifle I had been kicking myself all year for not buying the last time I was there on a tax free weekend...A H&R Handi in 45-70 in the synthetic stock. It was about 3 or 4 deep in a shelf full of 45-70s costing a bundle..I asked the clerk if I could see the H&R in 45-70..He reach over somewhere and came up with a Buffalo Gun. I thanked him but crawled my aged sack of bones halfway across the counter and pointed to the Handi...Sure enough it was one 45-70 Handi....from the very fine folks in Gardner,Mass...$230....I looked down the long line of folks in front of me and sorta started to sweat when the young clerk asked if I had a CCW permit and if I did ..did I have it on me. I pulled mine out,filled out the ATFE forms....his boss looked it over and gave the nod and I was out the door.It was the last H&R 45-70 in the store except for the Buffalo Gun. I got it home and cleaned it up a little. I took a Vo Tech course in High School and I went to college on the GI Bill for a while and got my AS in Mech.Eng.. I have seen a lot of fits in metals in my 55 yr on this Earth,but this action has to be the best metal on metal fit I have ever seen in my life.It is slick as a ribbon and perfect in every way. I open and close it and it looks like something that belongs on a Rolls Royce. I have a H&R .410 and a 20 gauge that are good firearms.One from Gardner,Mass and the 20 gauge is from the new place in N.Y....but this rifle takes the cake...It is pure silk. I am hoping after I fire it tomorrow it stays that way. They put a locking device in the box that fits down the bore.I won't use this thing I'll just lock it in my old gun safe.......They also put a list inside the paperwork explaining their program for having additional barrels made...So as late as this afternoon they were still putting the program flyers in the box....BTW...I havn't been on this site for very long ,but when it comes to info about the H&R I would go with what Tim says. He probably knows as much or more about the H&R as anybody I have seen..That is where I usually try to read when I am trying to find good info on the H&R.................DAVE

Squib · « **Reply #28 on:** November 27, 2009, 05:09:30 PM »

why the ccw dave? why would you need one to buy a handi? maybe I'm lost... $:-\$

now I could understand if you said keep the box and tucked it under your coat (assuming it was a t/c encore or some smaller breechaction)

thanks for the barrel info

Cottonwood · « **Reply #29 on:** November 27, 2009, 06:33:18 PM »

Quote from: Squib on November 27, 2009, 05:09:30 PM

why the ccw dave? why would you need one to buy a handi? maybe I'm lost... $:-\$

When you have your permit, in most states you just fill out the 4473 Form and walk instead of standing around while they make the phone call to see if your clear or not. If there is the slightest glitch, you will wait to walk with your gun.

Hence if you have a CCW you fill out the paper work, pay your cash and walk with your purchase.