The new Barbie

[Questor]

http://features.csmonitor.com/globalnews/2009/11/22/burka-barbie-to-raise-funds-for-save-the-children/

[Squib]

just remember the fire that the angry deconstructionist play with, they don't feel the fire because they're focused on other stimuli but they're still burning


they keep pushing for toleration, hippiness and hugs... well, they can break the white/european/christian/capitalist/individualist archtypal american demographic and ethnic force in america in hopes to bring communism, but what they'll do is get a bunch of gun-toting, religious, family oriented, people who are ethnically very different from our version of patriots, not at all rednecks either but when you think about it hard, ha, what's the real difference

arab-bedouin-persian/middle-eastern/muslim/barter?/zealot... they don't have the same look and mannerisms, different roots, different religion (though it's all in the perception of very minute details, it's still the same god and rules but applied differently), they still work to support themselves and their families, and while they are tied to their communities and families in a way that contemporary americans probably can't understand-they are EXTREMELY motivated and strong of character.... I can picture an american troop/redneck and iraqi jihadist/insurgent being almost the same psychologically

fighting for family, religion, honor,... and being a self-reliant, honor bound, righteous, willing to not only defend but assault the "infidels"

I hope they do get muslims the minority status of blacks, because the muslims won't stop with affirmative action, once they have a solid base in america they'll reach out with righteous idealism for some and murger for others...  it creeps me out but it's perfect to stop the liberals, the islamic extremists didn't lay down and die for the soviets so why would they for american liberals???  like I said it's creepy but think about it

[no guns here]

just remember the fire that the angry deconstructionist play with, they don't feel the fire because they're focused on other stimuli but they're still burning


they keep pushing for toleration, hippiness and hugs... well, they can break the white/european/christian/capitalist/individualist archtypal american demographic and ethnic force in america in hopes to bring communism, but what they'll do is get a bunch of gun-toting, religious, family oriented, people who are ethnically very different from our version of patriots, not at all rednecks either but when you think about it hard, ha, what's the real difference

arab-bedouin-persian/middle-eastern/muslim/barter?/zealot... they don't have the same look and mannerisms, different roots, different religion (though it's all in the perception of very minute details, it's still the same good and rules but applied differently), they still work to support themselves and their families, and while they are tied to their communities and families in a way that contemporary americans probably can't understand-they are EXTREMELY motivated and strong of character.... I can picture an american troop/redneck and iraqi jihadist/insurgent being almost the same psychologically

fighting for family, religion, honor,... and being a self-reliant, honor bound, righteous, willing to not only defend but assault the "infidels"

I hope they do get muslims the minority status of blacks, because the muslims won't stop with affirmative action, once they have a solid base in america they'll reach out with righteous idealism for some and murger for others...  it creeps me out but it's perfect to stop the liberals, the islamic extremists didn't lay down and die for the soviets so why would they for american liberals???  like I said it's creepy but think about it

I don't have to think very hard at all to find differences between islamists and rednecks or for that matter between islamists and our historical version of "patriots". 

1.  Rednecks have never once that I know of espoused a one-world religion.
2.  Rednecks have never once that I know of claimed that a nation would be wiped off the face of the earth.
3.  Rednecks don't normally strap explosives on their body and walk into a market crowded with women and children.
4.  Rednecks don't kill their daughters/sisters for getting raped.
5.  Rednecks don't stone women.
6.  Rednecks don't have "honor killings".

Shall I go on?

Islamists vs patriots.

A patriot is proud of his or her country or state and will fight for it.  An islamist is only interested in destroying the culture/religion/society of other nations and replacing them with islamic law and culture.

A patriot stands up for his beliefs.  An islamist forces others to convert to his beliefs.

A patriot says will defend anothers free speech even if he doesn't agree with it.  An islamist demands death for free speech that doesn't conform to his beliefs.

A patriot stands up for those oppressed.  An islamist stand FOR oppression unless you happen to be an islamic male.

Gosh... that didn't take much thinking at all.


Motivated, yes.  Strong of character... not in my opinion.  Everything I know of them says... don't trust them as far as I can throw them.  If a man is of strong character I should be able to trust him with my rifle, my money, my dog, my daughter and my wife.  I wouldn't trust an islamist with YOUR rifle, YOUR money, YOUR dog, YOUR daughter OR YOUR wife.  He'd steal it, spend it, eat it, rape one and sell the other.


NGH

[Squib]

think about the american revolution or civil war.... people killing their neighbors over political reasons during the civil

the national guard being called in to do cop work during riots, that DOES get sloppy when it happens (not the fault of the individual soldiers though, what do people think is gonna happen)

I'm from a "redneck" family (half of them anyways) and I can tell you that we're not all honorable.  I'm not talking about inbreds waving the confederate flag, driving drunk and shooting stop signs (only liberals believe that) just humble utilitarian people (it's a label, not a put-down... remember Sarah Palin !)

anyways, muslims don't go around raping/killing just for the sake of it, I've seen some of those videos on jihad sites with peole claiming responsibility for successful bombings: they show the preparations, the bombers vows and final thoughts, etcetera.  In one of those videos, it showed/explained how a guy that rigged up some stuff to go under a woman's hijab had to go talk to a cleric to get permission to touch a woman's bare skin and underwear just to put a suicide bomb on her!!!!!  that's not a pervert!

remember that a lot of our young men are going overseas to "get the bad guys" but end up raiding the homes of innocent people, causing a lot of collateral damage when "bad guys" are actually founds, don't have a right to be there because it's not a defensive war... you can hate me for saying that but unless you've smashed through random peoples doors with a gun drawn just to feel like a terd for shaking up a family, you really can't see it for what it is.  As for the honor killings... I can't even understand that so I won't defend it, seems sick to me.  As for stoning women, spouse abuse happens anywhere (although not stoning) hey my dad beat my mom in a trailer park plenty of times and he wasn't a muslim.  aslo he killed himself by gunshot not bomb but he wasn't a muslim so he's clean and clear of REAL sin right- NO

I just said that it would counter-balance liberal power grabs nicely... look up the recent past over there involving soviet excursions into the middle east... I think you'll see the similarities

also, talking to EPW's.. well the ones that could speak broken english, I felt a lot closer to them than to an american sheep (yeah, a muslim/iraqi guy that just got captured for shooting at marines was above a liberal to me while I was over therer getting shot at, and I still feel that way everytime I see a liberal cry-they're the real threat)  I've seen a bit of (heard a lot more, screams go through walls) of iraqis/syrians, insurgents (whatever they were) getting tortured too, it's really disgusting.... it's not like the crap on television with them screaming allah ackbar and doing evil things non-stop, they're human beings,... and that is the point, all people have a lot in common, it's the details that divide us

here's an example, after seeing another marine get "blown up" (he didn't go up, not at all, just down from a punctured lung) a kid that was probably about 16 (I was a 19yr old kid) was laughing histerically, pointing and belly laughing at us.... I hit him a few times with a rifle for that, would have done more were I not gonna face a court martial for doing so, and I told the interrogators to get him... they did (what happened from there I don't know but I assume it was very thorough beatings...)

so doesn't that make me kind of sick... but I fought with honor, using a rifle instead of a bomb....  only pushing around the people who deserved it, not killing a lot of people with IED's and such like they do (yeah, but I still shamed and insulted a lot of them in their homes... would you let someone push you around in front of your wife?)

america isn't perfect, if you haven't been there don't judge them.  judge me for saying something you don't like but at least you've talked to me.  I probably shouldn't have even commented on that picture anyways but at the early hour with nothing to do I got bored.....

[Skunk]

That's one Barbie that my 7-year-old will never have in her Barbie collection.

[powderman]

NGH. Great reasponse, I agree. How bout an aisha barbie, maybe wrong name. The 7 year old mohamed wedded, then bedded at the ripe old age of 9, almost an old maid. I can see her now, uncovered face crying, with a blood stain on the front of her bhurka. Should be a best seller for the Godless ones. POWDERMAN. 

[Squib]

that's not the religion though.. I've never heard anything that says go rape little girls


I love american: country, white, conservative, gun-owning-shooting-loving, hunting "redneck" people... I'm saying that they're motivated by similar things over there, just way more intense.. I don't like them or the way they do things but I'd rather be in a room full of hard-working, tight-knit family people that are self-sufficient and moral, guns, god religion and all of it (despite not really liking them!) than be in a room full of whiny, degenerate, immature and gross people that can't work (barring severe physical handicap), clean themselves up (ever seen a welfare bum) that complain about how selfish and cutthroat people like us are

questor I like what I've read in some of your other posts so don't think I'm a jerk because I'm pushing this one hard (too late maybe but I'll try to save it)  I've been over there and seen them, I've done spiteful things to them, abused them and not even in anyways that were illegal or out of line but still wrong

how nra/conservative is it to bust in someone's door, take the guns outta the house, interrogate people and dig up the back yard and trash the house...........  it breaks amendment 2,3,4,5... see where I'm going with this.  I feel guilty about it, and I can't stand people suggesting that the muslims/arabs whatever over in a foreign land deserve it

if our liberals were able to be real men instead of crying in the aisles on the planes, this stuff probably wouldn't have happened (I know they fought back on one plane and lost... but they tried, what about the other planes).  more than violent zealotry from foreigners I hate peons and sheeple of american birth tearing apart my freedoms for the welfare state

[no guns here]

think about the american revolution or civil war.... people killing their neighbors over political reasons during the civil

the national guard being called in to do cop work during riots, that DOES get sloppy when it happens (not the fault of the individual soldiers though, what do people think is gonna happen)

I'm from a "redneck" family (half of them anyways) and I can tell you that we're not all honorable.  I'm not talking about inbreds waving the confederate flag, driving drunk and shooting stop signs (only liberals believe that) just humble utilitarian people (it's a label, not a put-down... remember Sarah Palin !)

anyways, muslims don't go around raping/killing just for the sake of it, I've seen some of those videos on jihad sites with peole claiming responsibility for successful bombings: they show the preparations, the bombers vows and final thoughts, etcetera.  In one of those videos, it showed/explained how a guy that rigged up some stuff to go under a woman's hijab had to go talk to a cleric to get permission to touch a woman's bare skin and underwear just to put a suicide bomb on her!!!!!  that's not a pervert!

remember that a lot of our young men are going overseas to "get the bad guys" but end up raiding the homes of innocent people, causing a lot of collateral damage when "bad guys" are actually founds, don't have a right to be there because it's not a defensive war... you can hate me for saying that but unless you've smashed through random peoples doors with a gun drawn just to feel like a terd for shaking up a family, you really can't see it for what it is.  As for the honor killings... I can't even understand that so I won't defend it, seems sick to me.  As for stoning women, spouse abuse happens anywhere (although not stoning) hey my dad beat my mom in a trailer park plenty of times and he wasn't a muslim.  aslo he killed himself by gunshot not bomb but he wasn't a muslim so he's clean and clear of REAL sin right- NO

I just said that it would counter-balance liberal power grabs nicely... look up the recent past over there involving soviet excursions into the middle east... I think you'll see the similarities

also, talking to EPW's.. well the ones that could speak broken english, I felt a lot closer to them than to an american sheep (yeah, a muslim/iraqi guy that just got captured for shooting at marines was above a liberal to me while I was over therer getting shot at, and I still feel that way everytime I see a liberal cry-they're the real threat)  I've seen a bit of (heard a lot more, screams go through walls) of iraqis/syrians, insurgents (whatever they were) getting tortured too, it's really disgusting.... it's not like the crap on television with them screaming allah ackbar and doing evil things non-stop, they're human beings,... and that is the point, all people have a lot in common, it's the details that divide us

here's an example, after seeing another marine get "blown up" (he didn't go up, not at all, just down from a punctured lung) a kid that was probably about 16 (I was a 19yr old kid) was laughing histerically, pointing and belly laughing at us.... I hit him a few times with a rifle for that, would have done more were I not gonna face a court martial for doing so, and I told the interrogators to get him... they did (what happened from there I don't know but I assume it was very thorough beatings...)

so doesn't that make me kind of sick... but I fought with honor, using a rifle instead of a bomb....  only pushing around the people who deserved it, not killing a lot of people with IED's and such like they do (yeah, but I still shamed and insulted a lot of them)

america isn't perfect, if you haven't been there don't judge them.  judge me for saying something you don't like but at least you've talked to me.  I probably shouldn't have even commented on that picture anyways but at the early hour with nothing to do I got bored.....

[Squib]

you posted my old again???

[Squib]

I assume my point got lost in the ranting?  Probably (I'm a fishbowl thinker, some people get big noses or flat feet... man I got those too)


anyways, I think that the people who live with purpose and honor can drop the racial/ethnic stuff for awhile and join up to break up the liberal machine, if we can get along with people we don't like and push aside petty prejudice to actually accomplish something

starve out the bums by voting out the congress-persons that support them!!  I'd like to see someone fight jihadist and old fashioned american john wayne types at once... chine and russia couldn't take on the people from either group in the darker parts of the twentieth century, so if the two could cooperate.. do you see it now, I do and it makes me smile

no room for liberals in america

[no guns here]

Revolutionary War?  Let's...  Okay.  We were  "Freedom Fighter's".  Main difference is, we formed a government, established an Army, appointed officers, enlisted volunteers and then met and defeated our enemy on the field of battle.  Obviously I wasn't there but I don't remember any stories of the murder of innocent women and children.  I'm sure it happened in the siege and shelling of various cities... but they weren't the main targets.  Many times IED's, suicide bombs etc are set off in markets or busy streets to no military advantage.  Those are used to terror-ize the population into submission.

Civil War... neighbors killing neighbors.  Well it started on good terms... Army against army.  It ended in a lot of destruction throughout the south.  The whole "scorched earth" policy came into effect there.  I can see  your point a bit here.

I NEVER said rednecks were honorable.  I just pointed out that in general they don't stoop to the level of the islamists.

Spousal abuse doesn't equate in any way to honor killings.  Spousal abuse is a breakdown in communication and controlling emotions, rage, etc.  HONOR KILLINGS are a sanctioned punishment for a percieved (or real) infraction against an archaic code.  This is like compare the proverbial "apples to oranges".

Perverts "marry" young girls.  Their "prophet" did it.  He blessed it and said that it was right.  'nuff said.  Sex with an immature young girl is rape.

Just remember that though you may think letting islam become more establish politically and socially in the US would be a good way to "balance the equation" with the liberals... the islamists don't differintiate between liberal and conservative.  We are all infidels, we are all non-believers, we are all to be assimilated or destroyed.  They won't stop to ask whether you are Republican or Democrat before they kill you.


NGH

[Squib]

yeah, and I'm not particularly religious either so I'm not as freaked out about them as most people are but I see your point

a heathen is a heathen is a heathen

I was thinking about a bell-curve continuum though, not them getting a whole state or two worth of people and laws favoring them

with all the bottom-feeders that don't care about anything but crack and sex on the left end and the intellectuals that may not be living in the real world but pulling the strings none-the-less on the right... with most of us somewhere in the middle

obviously they'd be on the idealogical end of that which is not on the peon/catfish side

that's not a scientificly established bell-curve based on hard evidence either, just my feelings
debate it if you want, I'm really creeped out by mosques going up in this country more than you know-- the mosques would get on their megaphones and scream all kids of crazy jihad stuff before mortars would fly when I was deployed the first time - - and women hidden from the world with full body coverage creeps me out too, but it represents a complete departure from the liberal tide

I like the force, not the movement if that makes sense.  I hate all people who feel entitled by waving a minority card-- but they can hurt each other if they have to compete, hurt each other more than we can

[Squib]

eewh, just thinking about people ranting over a megaphone prayer session gives me the willies

I don't know what willies are but I don't like them (I'm not gonna call it a "traumatic" event but it sticks)
still, I can't hate them

mohammed is pretty well established for being far more than eccentric so no argument there
I just appreciate the structure to peoples lives, from a sociological perspective- people with purpose live honorably
yeah, mohammad had some michael jackson moments and it's sick, kind of like playing possom and then destroying his neighbor cities too-- I can't really say he had a track record of honor but I never argued for mohammad as the next great prophet after christ

I'm saying that americans conglomerate into many factions and it might have some good effects (yes, I believe there would be some bad ones too)

and no one breeds as fast or cries as much as the catfish/bottom-feeders

[blind ear]

NoGunsHere
You don't know the same rednecks that I do.
1. Wrong, There is only one brand of religion, Christianity and a "particular" brand of that, varies with sect.
2. Wrong,They want to start with Cuba and work South East, I think "we" should start at the SE end and move North West. Different group, different scenario. Or maybe we should take Canada first.
3. Right, but they would blow it up with women and children present, they have, in Christian churches that they sanction.
4. Right, but they will execute "Justice" against the offender for thier sister or daughter.
5. Wrong, They have stoned, with clubs and whips for thier own justice, a few women.
6. Wrong, Honor killings, it has and will happen again.

When the Klan gave up the Death Oath and the government took control of the Churches/message, all that changed, but the rednecks are waiting for the return.

Squib,
Don't be so hard on Catfish.

[powderman]

NGH. Good posts. POWDERMAN. 

[Dee]

just remember the fire that the angry deconstructionist play with, they don't feel the fire because they're focused on other stimuli but they're still burning


they keep pushing for toleration, hippiness and hugs... well, they can break the white/european/christian/capitalist/individualist archtypal american demographic and ethnic force in america in hopes to bring communism, but what they'll do is get a bunch of gun-toting, religious, family oriented, people who are ethnically very different from our version of patriots, not at all rednecks either but when you think about it hard, ha, what's the real difference

arab-bedouin-persian/middle-eastern/muslim/barter?/zealot... they don't have the same look and mannerisms, different roots, different religion (though it's all in the perception of very minute details, it's still the same good and rules but applied differently), they still work to support themselves and their families, and while they are tied to their communities and families in a way that contemporary americans probably can't understand-they are EXTREMELY motivated and strong of character.... I can picture an american troop/redneck and iraqi jihadist/insurgent being almost the same psychologically

fighting for family, religion, honor,... and being a self-reliant, honor bound, righteous, willing to not only defend but assault the "infidels"

I hope they do get muslims the minority status of blacks, because the muslims won't stop with affirmative action, once they have a solid base in america they'll reach out with righteous idealism for some and murger for others...  it creeps me out but it's perfect to stop the liberals, the islamic extremists didn't lay down and die for the soviets so why would they for american liberals???  like I said it's creepy but think about it

I don't have to think very hard at all to find differences between islamists and rednecks or for that matter between islamists and our historical version of "patriots". 

1.  Rednecks have never once that I know of espoused a one-world religion.
2.  Rednecks have never once that I know of claimed that a nation would be wiped off the face of the earth.
3.  Rednecks don't normally strap explosives on their body and walk into a market crowded with women and children.
4.  Rednecks don't kill their daughters/sisters for getting raped.
5.  Rednecks don't stone women.
6.  Rednecks don't have "honor killings".

Shall I go on?

Islamists vs patriots.

A patriot is proud of his or her country or state and will fight for it.  An islamist is only interested in destroying the culture/religion/society of other nations and replacing them with islamic law and culture.

A patriot stands up for his beliefs.  An islamist forces others to convert to his beliefs.

A patriot says will defend anothers free speech even if he doesn't agree with it.  An islamist demands death for free speech that doesn't conform to his beliefs.

A patriot stands up for those oppressed.  An islamist stand FOR oppression unless you happen to be an islamic male.

Gosh... that didn't take much thinking at all.


Motivated, yes.  Strong of character... not in my opinion.  Everything I know of them says... don't trust them as far as I can throw them.  If a man is of strong character I should be able to trust him with my rifle, my money, my dog, my daughter and my wife.  I wouldn't trust an islamist with YOUR rifle, YOUR money, YOUR dog, YOUR daughter OR YOUR wife.  He'd steal it, spend it, eat it, rape one and sell the other.


NGH

No guns here, I would have to agree with you completely on all said. One must see the differences. This country was founded on Christian principles, not muslim. There is no comparison of the two, other than to say they are mosltly opposites. One only has to look at England and France and crap they have caused there to see the difference. They are a pestilence.

[Casull]

NoGunsHere
You don't know the same rednecks that I do.
1. Wrong, There is only one brand of religion, Christianity and a "particular" brand of that, varies with sect.
2. Wrong,They want to start with Cuba and work South East, I think "we" should start at the SE end and move North West. Different group, different scenario. Or maybe we should take Canada first.
3. Right, but they would blow it up with women and children present, they have, in Christian churches that they sanction.
4. Right, but they will execute "Justice" against the offender for thier sister or daughter.
5. Wrong, They have stoned, with clubs and whips for thier own justice, a few women.
6. Wrong, Honor killings, it has and will happen again.

BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I have a feeling you don't really know many (if any) rednecks. 

[blind ear]

Casull, The definitions were from a rednecks perspective, not a muslims. Wasn't ment to be funny, except for the catfish, just a different view point applied to the same words. Such as HONOR killilng, if you take my childs honor I will kill you etc. Not if you dishonor me my daughter I will kill you. And if you don't think I know any rnednecks that is fine by me. eddiegjr

[SHOOTALL]

NGH , yep !
Squib , You really believe that stuff or just feeding the fire ?

[Squib]

I really believe that people motivated for oppression in the name of the "godstate" and security above freedom will really rub everyone else the wrong way, especially the religious among us.  I believe that an enemy of an enemy is a friend indeed.  I really do have more respect for the wolves than the sheep (you don't know how much I hate liberals, I'm anti-anti-establishment)

I am convinced that when Muslims get a louder voice in politics that it'll cause a horrible backlash on all of the identity politics here in america, when people see organized religious zealots going apesh** they'll get scared and then everyone with ties to that sort of thing will go down too (Louis Farakahn and the Nation of Islam, The Black "poor-me" I've been held down it's not my fault I can't get a job dressed like a thug with a criminal record while screaming oppression, immigration in general is already under fire, let alone the attention drawn to muslim and middle eastern immigrants now).  After all this rage builds up, all the minorities will really be that, minorities and left with the option to pull their own weight or starve.  Who is gonna consolidate power after that?  Whites are still the majority (yeah, we're supposed to "lose the crown" soon because we'll slip from 70% to 50% majority in a decade of two but we'll still be the largest single group and with the pressure on we'll actually stick up for our beliefs) and the white christian foundation will be uncovered after the quake (political tremor, I'm trying to be dramatic)

As mad as you all are just because I brought it up... you don't think the sheep out there wouldn't be fighting mad too if a few more immigrants that cry and moan about being oppressed (they came here) actually do some real violence.  One more 9/11 and I don't think people will be able to be held in line by the government, and that's assuming the government isn't getting in on it.  just like school prayer, it was a cornerstone of the establishment and it was taken out- but muslims can pray in school because if it's not allowed it's discrimination.... now the christians care again.  regular people don't care to much about guns either but send a cop to their door to take them away and all of a sudden they turn into rambo....  I REALLY BELIEVE THAT CONSERVATIVE WHITE AMERICAN BORN MEN WILL FIGHT HARD AND BE VICTORIOUS IF BACKED INTO A CORNER, and it'll be funny if all that toleration crap is what gets the ball rolling


ps, the KKK was a white phenomena but not a conservative one, they were left wing, democrats, etcetera 1924 Klanbake

[Squib]

I like catfish and venison, I keep telling you I'm not anti-redneck

I'm german/irish/native american but probably 80%german blood so that fits in pretty well with the ethnic "backwoods" missouri demographic, yeah lots of little german towns (from the 1800's, pre-nazi german immigration was big but they weren't well recieved so they moved out in the "west" which it was back then to claim their own land and live peacefully) and I look like a german, my skin is a darker shade of white (assuming I go outside much) so I'm not british pale but I'm caucasian, native american is "wild west" rootin' tootin' and shootin' and I like to eat fresh game, I drive a rusted vehicle, I love guns, I used to be a marine,.... so not only am I very white, and a disabled vet, and a gun owner... I might actually fit that right wing extremist profile almost perfectly (they're from militant militia men missouri remember) and my last name is knox not abu-bakr-mohammed-ackbar or obama so who do I really identify with? think about it, I'm a lot more racist than you probably think I am but I'm attacking this issue from a logical and fair viewpoint as best I can.  

think of this, if all the rats come and scare off the cat for it's "whiskas" (that's a brand of cat food) then they have to fight it out to get some at all, let alone get enough to be satisfied.  after they're worn out and have turned their backs they might be a really good meal themselves if the cat has that thought, and it will in good time if it is hungry enough

it's the nature of a rat to always chew away at everything (their lower incisor will continue to grow no matter what, if they do not wear out those teeth they will actually grow up through their upper palate and into their brains)..........  do you get the comparison

I also really would rather be standing side by side with someone who attempt s to live an orderly life with guns/god/family/work/responsibility than by people who look like me but don't necessarily live by those standards and ideals.   That being a point of argument I understand, but the rest of you should agree with most of the rest if not all.  Read it twice to be sure you caught my meanings.  Yes Dee I do agree with you on the founding of this nation.  We have a religion and a constitution to guide people in law and ethics.  If people don't like it they shouldn't move here, and those born here should get a pass port and get the hell out, I wasn't talking about being open to change at all though-- my point was how to cope with it (let them fight it out and then pick off the survivors)

[Squib]

are your questions answered shootall?  what specific concept are you referring to my belief in- because I spoke of about twenty different inter-connected social trends I think... and most people just looked at the words, not the meaning, and got all white-power on me.  if you've got a super-specific question just go ahead and pm me (other than work and sleep I don't do much so I'm bound to get back to you soon)

If your big question is am I one of you or one of them you should get the answer from the last post (or the one previous to that which states that I am anti anti-establishment)

[nomosendero]

eddiegjr, I am curious, where do you live?

[Squib]

samurais gutted themselves if shamed too

in the east people don't deal with shame well at all, if they can't erase the shame they erase the shamed person

it's sick but that's how they do it

[beerbelly]

Squib you are so full of it I  don't know where to start! But I sure as hell don't believe you were ever a U S Marine and I was one! To me you seem to be another lib trying to put some BS over on us. I ain't buying it.
                           Beerbelly

[ironglow]

I've been wondering too, BB..

[Squib]

think what you want

that's the attitude that keeps the "big-tent" quite small... everyone that isn't just like you not being good enough means NO ONE IS GOOD ENOUGH
you can't go for people just like you, go for people with similiar ideals, it's actually attainable

the democratic party mobilizes almost all of the freaks in the us and has the rest of us in fear till obama is out of office, if the republican party could open up and try to reason with a few people who don't fit the mold perfectly we wouldn't have these problems (you don't have to like someone to respect them and work with them)

[Squib]

because I questioned the us and them logic (which perpetuates the predicament) I'm one of THEM!

well, ... I can't argue that one  

 speaking of the marine corps, did you like being told how to live every minute you weren't on leave?  like having someone with one rank or billet above you telling you what to do outside of work or any official capacity?  assuming you experienced that, you were probably a P.O.G. that never saw the middle east, you were busy in the barracks acquiring your BEERBELLY (while REAL Marines were getting hit by IED's in iraq, or were you enlisted during peace time?)  

if I don't agree with you then I'm not a real marine... okay.  you have to be "more marine, more macho man" though.  where's your purple heart, I'll pull that out on you too if you want the pics pm me, I've got alittle bit of everything except patience for peole like you.  the point of my earlier arguments were HOW TO TURN THE LIBERALS AND THEIR POLICIES AGAINST THEM AND IT'S NOT BY THUMPING YOUR CHEST AND PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY OR DOWNGRADING YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS RELIGION OUTRIGHT.  It's by embracing different people to carry on the same ideals and legacies, aka the american dream.  it takes compromise, I am white/male/conservative/straight/gun-nut and that's the people I prefer to deal with but I don't just disregard people who don't fit those criterion- it won't help me, them or society as a whole.  while women wearing hijabs freaks me out and I hate it, I think it's equally disgusting for women to run around looking like sluts too.  do you like them running around looking skanky while you're heart is racing- you're no better than any other pervert then: sex from outside of marriage is just as wrong as same-sex (just not as weird) based on a religious perspective.  this thread was started to address opinions about the spread of islam within the us and pop culture across the western world- undermining christian values and fundementals all while liberals shield islam from any of the animosity they inflicted upon the classical american/christian foundation of this country and it's very foundation.  if you hate those people so much and me for questioning any of your viewpoints then I don't think it's islam you have a problem with- it's anyone but you and therefore blind prejudice.  I bet this doesn't set in either so I'm done arguing.  Next time just debate me don't attack me.  Hopefully the next time we bump heads it's not this ugly.  

Happy Thanksgiving to all, by the way I'm thankful i live in a country that people can get online and contest each other like this without getting a knock on the door from some swat goons.

[Dee]

Squib, some I agree with you on, but your stance on the illegal mexican, and the Muslim we are worlds apart. I have PERSONALLY DELT with the illegal mexican, and have watched him close hospitals with his freeloading, and have watched him hold his job here and send 85% of his check to Mexico, while at the same time ridding welfare, into the ground while driving his junker vehicle into americans with not one thought of insurance, and not caring about the expense and hard ship he caused others.
And the Muslim, that you feel would be a value to the American in the way of crowding out the career liberal in Washington. The Muslim put RELIGION before ANYTHING ELSE, and a corrupt religion it is. No good will come of substituting PAGANISM with liberalism. It will bring the U.S. to a third world status in very short order that it may never recover from.
In your received wounds from combat, and your disappointment in your government in its lack of support when you needed them most, I fear you have replaced that hurt and dissapointment with bitter retribution in the same form as what you received. Islam is, what it is, but putting it in power in DC will not correct anything, it will further deplete what little moral judgement is left there.
The real solution is Patriotism American Style. No support for anyone that is not 100% Constitution, and stopping the very warped habit of settling for less by voting for the lessor. Trading off our freedoms a little at a time is very flawed way of voting, but hoping for a Muslim soaking of our political system is a subliminal prayer for it's demise, and is warped to say the very lest.
I truly appreciate your service to your cour country, and regret your treament from an unappreciative government, but your solutions regarding the muslim and the illegal mexican, are neither left, nor right, but instead, over the top, and have no merit in real world solutions at all. They are more anarchist than anything.
It seems that although you speak of patriotism your seem more about payback, at any cost. At least that  is what it seems like.

[Squib]

sorry you took it THAT way

I'd really like to see the spineless and weak ones in this society who use minority victim status drown in the tide of their own ignorance.  I'll bring up the rat reference again, they need to take enough of the poison. 

I don't like ILLEGAL MEXICANS.  I am fine with legal/working/pulling their own weight people.  I grew up and live in virtually completely white areas (check the census data around here/sedalia mo) there were almost no immigrants in town when I was a kid about ten years ago... but I didn't hate them right off when they started moving here because the only "mexican" I knew of was my aunt's (by marriage) father who moved to the us legally and served 24yrs in the army, some of it as a green beret.  and in texas a lot of people are conservative but not so much white... I'm just sort of colorblind to that demographic group... if they work and raise a family, don't bother me then let them be.  the rediculous stuff like press one for english lets them move over without assimilating and that angers me, so does them getting medical attention without bills because they don't have a registered american identity and address or legitimate job- BUT I don't like welfare bums getting medical care either.  Healthcare needs to be a cough up the money or die enterprise, so should food.  I'm not fond of "welfare queens" getting knocked up multiple times and having bastard children as shields to get welfare and child support for twenty some years while raising the children (next generation of bums).  The best ideas I've heard about the border are to just put up minefields and use a few UAV's at chokepoints to catch people trying to navigate the minefields.  If someone is caught and not shot crossing the borders outright, then harvest their organs (helps with the healthcare problems too).  I don't like unemployment insurance for any citizen that doesn't have a job.  people don't look for jobs if they won't starve to death without one.  laws stopping utility companies from shutting down heating in the winter doesn't sit right with me.  neither does paying medicaid and medicare when I KNOW it'll be bankrupt before I'm ever even middle aged.  I hate it all but it's not going to stop anytime soon.  the average sheep in this country cannot deal with mortality and will drag the rest of us to the grave with them if it slows them down slightly, and misery loves company.

believe me, I'm not a muslim fan at all... I just want to see a minority group ruin the whole charade for the rest of them.. it's not comforting but it might be funny in a few years because they are growing in this country fast (muslims/islam)

until guys get on megaphones and shout from the mosques like overseas, no one here is going to blow them up... it's gonna have to get that bad before we're able to get rid of mosques and the muslim advance, they have to bring it on themselves because public support just isn't that strong.  gun rights, religion, being a man, it's all compromised friend.  I don't like anarchy or want it, I don't want the freaks to drag us down anymore either but I know they will.  I just want to keep tabs on it till it blows up so at least I can get a real good laugh at all the freaks in this country.  It's never gonna be my hand that does it, it's gotta be them doing it to each other-- if a white man does it it's not politically correct.  they'll sabotage themselves in time and I just pointed out how they're gonna do it... and that WE will pick up the pieces ASSUMING that we can retain our heritage and values another generation or two and THAT I'm not so sure about.  I'm not supportive of that solution I just see it as the only real option, I don't support it I just am not threatened by facing it or looking at the situation for what it is.  They already got politically correct england, are working over canada and starting here... what do you think Dee, am I really that far off?