Author Topic: Are S&W revolver shooters just STOOPID or what? (Read 10915 times)

shotgunner · « **Reply #60 on:** January 10, 2010, 05:15:58 AM »

Doug

I hope you don't carry that taurus for protection. I break down like that would be more then embarassing. I have a small gun shop and have not sold any but a friend who has run a store for 30 years will not sell Taurus, because of issues with customer service and break downs. Shotgunner

Waldo Pepper · « **Reply #61 on:** January 10, 2010, 05:50:40 AM »

I have heard a couple people local has had trouble with their Taurus Revolvers locking up, but I had just assumed poor quality control and cheap internals until I spoke with one guy at length about his Taurus. His actual comments was it was a S&W outside with cheap, rough and unrefined internals made in poorly run factory in Brazil. Said he has keep the gun and takes it to the range with his S&W's & Ruger revolvers to remind him why cheap is not always a beater buy. My comment is I had better retention I guess as I have owned one and that was enough for me and I sold it to liberal Democrat I know for house gun. In this state no individual sale is registered with state.

As Doug says I know several shops that will not sell or will not take Taurus guns in trade and if they do take on trade it's a basic give away so the Taurus can be wholesaled to flea market traders.

Dee · « **Reply #62 on:** January 10, 2010, 09:29:50 AM »

I had one brought to me in the form of a Beretta look alike that was having stoppages. I looked at it, and handed it back to the guy. I don't work on Taurus of any configuration. They will make a good smith look bad. Smith and Colt no doubt charge to much, but were the Taurus is concerned, you get what you pay for.

jcn59 · « **Reply #63 on:** January 10, 2010, 02:16:09 PM »

I had just one of those Taurus / 92 Beretta things and it worked perfectly with anything I put in it including handloads of most every sort.

Guess I make good handloads, huh.

I have had 5 Tauri and one acted up once: a .44 snubbie.

Maybe twice as many Colts and one needed repair: a like new Python.

Way more S&Ws than I have fingers, and NONE needed repair.

Hardly a definitive study.

rdmallory · « **Reply #64 on:** January 10, 2010, 03:07:27 PM »

Don't carry it for protection just pinking. The issue was the set screw they use to lock the hammer worked loose while shooting it. After taking it apart and seeing how it worked and using good quality replacement parts I feel as confident in it as the next. I was going to build my first 1911 and found out I could buy a Taurus for less than the cost of the parts. Don't think it was as much as "bad" parts as a design flaw locking the hammer with a set screw.

My main carry is a Kahr P9 (Moony Gun) in the winter and was a Kel-tec 3At in the summer. I sold the Kel-tec I never liked the looks of the plastic trigger. Looking to get a Kahr 380 when the price levels out.

My favorite shooter is still my old 4" 66..

Doug

shotgunner · « **Reply #65 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:40:41 AM »

When I pick a carry gun I try to figure what my hide is worth, to me that is. I do not see any reason to save money on the gun, the holster or the ammo that is in it. I use copy wads for my skeet reloads, I sometimes hunt with a guns that is not expensive, but my carry guns are top of the line, or as top of the line as I can get them. I am not saying that you need a $3,000 custom gun, but a used S&W, Colt, Beretta or Sig is worth the investment. Shotgunner

bustedknee · « **Reply #66 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:32:52 PM »

Just before Christmas I bought my 3rd S&W with the "Ignition Switch". All 3 revolvers are carried for self defense and due to their light weight produce a lot of recoil.

I do not trust the locks and consider them stupid. Like Dee said, I have a safe and it has a lock.

Just today, I ordered the replacement pins for all 3 of mine. No more locks.

Dee · « **Reply #67 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:38:22 PM »

Where did you get the pins, and how much did they cost?

bustedknee · « **Reply #68 on:** January 22, 2010, 04:54:15 PM »

The pins are $25 each. He needs to know for which frame and whether blue or stainless.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/accessories-misc-sale-trade/112992-replace-lock-plug.html

Bullseye Smith
P.O. Box 4602
Morgantown, WV 26504
304-993-5060

I have no connection to Bullseye other than I am a grateful customer.

I just repaired the three flawed revolvers in my safe. I had tolerated the first two but the 360PD I just bought bothered me. It is a hard kicker and I do not trust the lock if I am going to carry it full time for self defense.

When I opened my 329PD I discovered the spring that holds the lock in place to be out of its slot. What would happen if I kept shooting it this way? I feel good about "repairing" my guns.

Dee · « **Reply #69 on:** January 23, 2010, 07:49:57 AM »

Before I call I think I'' study the lock a little closer, as I suspect it could be easily made neutral.

bustedknee · « **Reply #70 on:** January 28, 2010, 05:58:07 AM »

Quote from: Dee on January 23, 2010, 07:49:57 AM

Before I call I think I'' study the lock a little closer, as I suspect it could be easily made neutral.

Originally, I thought the same thing. Maybe a little epoxy in the lock. Or grind off the tabs on the inside.

However, I really like the statement the replacement pin makes whenever I look at the gun.

Dee · « **Reply #71 on:** January 28, 2010, 06:17:24 AM »

That does look nice and clean.

Waldo Pepper · « **Reply #72 on:** January 28, 2010, 06:36:17 AM »

Besides John's "plug" eliminates the ugly hole that is a dirt catcher and not oiling hole.

Man I wish it would warm up and I could go to range and hit the woods for varmints.

Dee · « **Reply #73 on:** January 28, 2010, 07:44:41 AM »

This is the wettest year around here most can recall. It has been muddy constantly here for a little over 12 months. Very few crops were put in because of it. Not gonna be much wheat this year around here.

Waldo Pepper · « **Reply #74 on:** January 28, 2010, 07:58:28 AM »

Even with heat running the in house because it's 30 degree's outside the humidity is staying about 70% to 80% since Sept with it going into mid 80% range in late October.

With all the frost in SE and CA not growing much this year thinks to Snail Darter fish, food might get high priced by spring.

LouisianaMan · « **Reply #75 on:** January 29, 2010, 03:00:58 PM »

Just ordered my "Plug" for a stainless K-frame Mod. 67. Various accounts of the lock causing problems make me willing to invest $26 in peace of mind, better looks (revolver's, not mine!), and blocking off a crud entryway, in that order.

shotgunner · « **Reply #76 on:** January 30, 2010, 01:11:20 PM »

I bought a 4' 686-6 today, probably to re-sell. It has a lock and it is the first S&W I have ever owned, out of more then 50, that has had it. My son is trying to talk me out of this one, he conned me out of a CZ 75 last month. I guess I could live with the lock, but think I will stick to older guns for myself. Shotgunner

Dee · « **Reply #77 on:** January 30, 2010, 01:39:15 PM »

Quote from: shotgunner on January 30, 2010, 01:11:20 PM

I bought a 4' 686-6 today, probably to re-sell. It has a lock and it is the first S&W I have ever owned, out of more then 50, that has had it. My son is trying to talk me out of this one, he conned me out of a CZ 75 last month. I guess I could live with the lock, but think I will stick to older guns for myself. Shotgunner

I was looking for a 4" barrelled 686 when I bought this 2 1/2". I wish I had yours. Oh, well.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #78 on:** February 01, 2010, 02:47:44 AM »

Are there any documented cases of the failure ? it would be nice to read what the failure was caused from . Was it lack of cleaning / maintance ? poor assy. at the factory ? out of spec. part ? ETC.

Waldo Pepper · « **Reply #79 on:** February 01, 2010, 03:05:15 AM »

There are quite a few documented on the S&W forum. They used to have a sticky about it on the site before the reorganization of the forum. You may have to do a search.

If you read all posts here you would have read my experience with S&W IL, unless that is undocumented by your standards. S&W has said in the past the locks never fail and when one is repaired they have always stated something else wrong with the gun.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #80 on:** February 01, 2010, 03:16:03 AM »

Waldo Peper , I read where you said you had a failure but did not see any reason listed really . I have a 340 PD that i shoot . It has never locked . I got it used and it was unlocked at the time and i have never locked it . I did not intend to offend anyone but was looking for a cause of the problem not that it was happining . Does it happen to certian models ? does it happen when the lock is use on a regulat basis ?, maybe the lock wears ? Does the lock make cleaning the area more important ? If the factory says its other faults what are they ?

Waldo Pepper · « **Reply #81 on:** February 01, 2010, 03:43:48 AM »

No insult taken, just a question.

The only common thing seemed to be shooting and the occasional poorly installed lock causing gun to lock up prior to actual firing of the pistol. As far as I know no IL guns shipped to actual M&P end users unless requested.

That said the % of IL guns effected is small, with few ever having a problem. Not a big deal with plinker, but comp gun and SD gun user's as a rule do not wish to take the chance. Then there are the ones that don't like the look of the lock and some the idea of being forced, kind of like being forced into wearing helmut for motorcycle riders.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #82 on:** February 01, 2010, 04:07:12 AM »

I use my 340 as a SD gun every day .

Waldo Pepper · « **Reply #83 on:** February 01, 2010, 04:32:34 AM »

I would not, but that's me. I would rather remove the chance of failure. A revolver has so many moving parts that any unnecessary parts can be a problem.

To me it's like grabbing my 1894M instead of the 1894P when hog or black bear hunting. The 22 WMR has killed both and quite often in pigs, but I hornswaggled if I would chance my life wth it when 44 Magnum available. I have to value my life more now then when a kid in 20's and 30's for sure.

There were times in my life I took a knife's from people the hard way or fought guys with clubs, not any more I would pull the G-29 if away from home CCW, but in the home PXD 14-45 Gun Rights waits the home intruder.

jcn59 · « **Reply #84 on:** February 03, 2010, 07:25:22 AM »

My Model 10 NEVER had a lock malfunction in the 30+ years I've owned it.

demented · « **Reply #85 on:** February 10, 2010, 06:23:42 PM »

I'd prefer not having the lock on any of my Smiths but as long as I can buy new revolvers with the lock for quite a bit less than a used pre-lock ....Well the lock ain't costing me an extra hundred bucks or more.

Dogshooter · « **Reply #86 on:** May 31, 2010, 05:13:17 PM »

I resemble that "older" label and I have had a lot of Smith's over the years. Most without locks, some with. The keys have never come out of the box they came in. I am sure I paid extra for something I will never use, but when comapred to a Taurus or a Charter Arms revolver, I'll take a Smith, with or without a lock, every time. And if the need ever arises, I have a lock to use because every Smith Revolver I currently own has one and I don't feel handicapped by them (or stoopid).

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #87 on:** June 02, 2010, 02:48:28 AM »

ive had the same results as Dee. Ive never used it but i havent had it hurt a thing. I chuckle at this smith lock thing all the time. Ruger did it to there single actions and made it about impossible to use anyway and you dont hear an uproar about that lock. Bottom line is smith still makes the best da revolver on the market. If the lock bothers you buy an older used one or buy a clunky ruger.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #88 on:** June 02, 2010, 08:42:51 AM »

Rugers rule !

drdougrx · « **Reply #89 on:** June 02, 2010, 08:46:14 AM »

The only SW revolver that I have and leave locked is a fully engraved safe queen that my wife bought me. I don't want no line around the cylinder!!! There's also a lock on my 3" m60 in 357 but I've never locked it nor do I intend to.