Author Topic: smith and wesson is ok (please forgive me graybeard) (Read 2229 times)

Lloyd Smale · « **on:** October 20, 2003, 12:28:38 PM »

Just picked up a titanium .44 special 5 shot 396 smith and took it out to the range tonight and shot about 200 rounds through it. Recoil is a little more then brisk with 250s at about 900fps. But it should in a 18oz gun. It even took a chunk of the web of my shooting hand. When I was finished I noticed that the houge grips it came with were starting to tear by the top ears. I called smith when I got home and told them what happened and they are sending me a new set of grips no questions asked. They dont eve want the old ones back. To me thats good service!!

TScottO · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2003, 04:08:04 PM »

Everything I've heard about Smith and Wessons service and response to customers has been really good. I just got my 625 today. This is the first Smith I've bought since their new ownership. It seems to be a real good product. Maybe I can get to the range soon.

When you get a chance let us know how it's doing in the accuracy department. I bet that little babe is a thumper!

Hey Lloyd.. Did your 44spc come with a fired round in little brown bag. Whats the deal with that?

Good luck and be safe,
Scott

rickyp · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2003, 04:30:14 PM »

the fired round in the little brown bag is for states like Cal. ANd MD that require a fired case to be put on file. just a way to try and take our right from us.

Graybeard · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2003, 07:19:38 PM »

If you want to give money to folks who are the enemies of the US Constitution that is your business I guess not mine. I'm sure there are some Muslim terrorist groups that would also love to get some of your money. I'd just as soon give it to one enemy as another.

If you'd bought a Taurus Total Ti it would have been just as light and the recoil would have felt mild in your hands and wouldn't have torn up the grips either.

Unless and until such time as the new ownership of S&W make a honest attempt to get out from under the agreement the old ownership signed with Klinton all our freedoms are in danger. WHEN (NOT IF BUT WHEN( the next democrap president takes office you WILL see what I mean. The agreement will be brought back out and the government will attempt to enforce it. I'd bet that S&W is still to this day making the contribution to the antis that the agreement required of them.

GB

kciH · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2003, 10:12:50 PM »

What Graybeard said!

Beyond that, do you realize that S&W financially benefits from the agreement that undermines your and my right to posses firearms in the greatest county on God's green earth? I bet you didn't. Another sorry schill for the record.

I've got some Smith's, but they are all pre-agreement, by a long shot.

I sent a few emails to the former management of S&W that probably have me on some sort of "watchlist". I stand by everythng I said in them.

When the rest of the firearms mfg's, in the US or outside, where bringing on lawyers to fight the scum at it's own game, S&W was caving in. The agreement stands, your rights stand to be infringed, and YOU are financing it through your ignorance.

I don't mean to offend, but it is the truth.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2003, 12:06:18 AM »

IVe been SPANKED!!

rickyp · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2003, 02:33:20 AM »

s$W came out afew years with a hunter handgun, I looked hard at it and really wanted it, but because of they company's decision to give up our rights I didn't buy it, I went out and bought custom contender barrel from bullbarry. with the money.

1GLOCK · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2003, 08:33:25 AM »

Listen to this crap !!! If we all refuse to buy Smith products who loses? WE DO!! Sure Smith and Wesson goes out of buisiness. Does that benefit gun rights in any way? NO, but the antis sure would love it. I dont pretend to know the right answers here but I do know that driving S&w under by boycott is not it.

Questor · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2003, 09:12:49 AM »

On this point I disagree with our host. Boycotting is not the answer. I would like to see that "agreement" formally nullified. I can't understand why this has not been done. My understanding is that the current administration has no will to pursue the agreement, but there's no telling what the next administration will do. Hopefully this will be taken care of before Bush leaves office.

ghostZ · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2003, 10:27:44 AM »

Sorry for not knowing....but what did S&W do with the gov?

myronman3 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2003, 11:58:58 AM »

if smith goes belly up that is on them. all they would have to do to get a sale to me is make an honest effort to get that agreement nullified.
no effort has been made; the only effort i see them putting forth is to poo-poo those offended by there actions (and continued in-acton). screw 'em, if they go belly up they got what they deserved. and as far as i am concerned the only thing american gun owners will have lost is a bunch of spineless sellouts (hey, maybe they could get french owners to back their view on OUR rights).
coming from a long line of folks who sacrafied all to defend our constitiution (as i have myself) i dont take kindly to folks who try to give away things they didnt earn. i aint buying into their excuses-cause in the end that is all they are... excuses.
sorry lloyd; you are a decent guy and i dont mean to rant... just calling it as i see it.

Graybeard · « **Reply #11 on:** October 21, 2003, 07:23:15 PM »

myronman3: Couldn't agree more. An honest effort on the part of S&W management is all I ask. No one was a stronger support of S&W products than me before the agreement. I used them and I talked them up big time and sold tons of them for S&W. If they want that again from me they merely have to make an honest effort to get out from under the agreement BUT they MUST do it while Bush is in office. IF they wait until we have another democrap in office the attempt is merely a sham and I know it as well as they do.

cknight98: Chris, not only are Taurus revolvers the equal of the best S&W has ever put out they are these days superior in all respects. Open your eyes and check them out. You'll agree. They really are better guns.

1GLOCK: It really shouldn't be necessary for S&W to fold in order for the boycott to work. All it takes is for them to see that unless they make that honest effort the result will be they will fold. That will force them to do the right thing. Unless and until they do the right thing tho they deserve to fold and no we'll not be any worse off for their departure. Their guns are over priced and not as good as the Taurus guns coming in these days. If S&W folds I say good riddance to them. If they get with the program and make an honest effort to get out from under the agreement even if the honest effort failed I'd get off their case.

GB

512 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 21, 2003, 08:31:24 PM »

hey guys,
just thinking about this subject... this is a little different though. with all the anti-gun company's out there, its hard to buy only from pro-gun. when you look at the list of contributors, its mind boggeling! i bet not many guys know that when they buy a dodge with a cummins, that they just sent money to an anti. they were on the list a few years ago anyway. i guess we could all be more careful about who we buy from.
its sure disapointing to hear what smith did though. and i kinda like their guns. i even got to meet ken jorgenson one time a few years back. seemed like a nice guy. Jeff

512 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 21, 2003, 08:33:40 PM »

hey guys,
just thinking about this subject... this is a little different though. with all the anti-gun company's out there, its hard to buy only from pro-gun. when you look at the list of contributors, its mind boggeling! i bet not many guys know that when they buy a dodge with a cummins, that they just sent money to an anti. they were on the list a few years ago anyway. i guess we could all be more careful about who we buy from.
its sure disapointing to hear what smith did though. and i kinda like their guns. i even got to meet ken jorgenson one time a few years back. seemed like a nice guy. Jeff

512 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 21, 2003, 08:40:00 PM »

sorry bout the double post.
GB- what is going on? when i post, it says the page has expired, would you like to refresh? so i says ya and presto--- two posts!
Jeff

myronman3 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 22, 2003, 11:33:15 AM »

yeah- i cant understand why folks still feel as though smith makes a better gun than taurus (maybe from the guns they USED to put out). in an honest accessment i really think the taurus is a better built gun; all politics aside. and i am a union man (proud of made in usa products) but even i think taurus is clearly the better product.
and when you add politics in, taurus has behaved way more american than smith has. when smith was busy selling out the constitution, taurus was giving away memberships with the sale of any taurus firearm. amazing.
thats all i am going to rant about that.

Graybeard · « **Reply #16 on:** October 22, 2003, 06:24:46 PM »

512 I dunno. Some times it just happens. Most of the time the post was made and for some reason your connection just timed out on ya. Why I have no clue. Usually what I do when that happens if I want to know if it posted is to click on FILE, OPEN, NEW WINDOW. Then back up in that new window and refresh the screen with the thread open. If you don't see your post you know it didn't take. Almost every time you'll find it did.

BTW you can delete your own posts. Just open the thread while logged in. Look up in the upper right hand area above the text of your post. You'll see an X. Click on it and it will delete any post you've made. It will ask you to verify you really wanna delete it. Tell it yes and the post will go away. If you start a thread and someone posts to that thread you can't then delete the post that started the thread. But other than that you can delete your own posts.

GB

carolcann · « **Reply #17 on:** October 24, 2003, 06:02:50 AM »

Some of you have got to read the news once in a while!

"Unless and until such time as the new ownership of S&W make a honest attempt to get out from under the agreement the old ownership signed with Klinton all our freedoms are in danger. WHEN (NOT IF BUT WHEN( the next democrap president takes office you WILL see what I mean. The agreement will be brought back out and the government will attempt to enforce it. I'd bet that S&W is still to this day making the contribution to the antis that the agreement required of them. "

When the new owners of Smith & Wesson took over and brought the company back into American ownership a few years ago, they also issued a letter to the Feds disclaiming any concurrent obligations relating to the HUD agreement of the Clinton years. It is available on thier website and has been for quite awhile. S&W is no longer under any obligation contractually nor intentinally to abide by the British-HUD arangement

Everybody want their pound of flesh, but S&W has done the right thing. Get over it. Their public retraction of the agreement is a helluva lot more positive than anything Glock Inc, Sturm-Ruger, or Beretta ever did after supoting the 1994 Clinton gun bills. THEY haven't issued retractions yet!

You wanna express your disdain against anti-gunners? Try on the UAW, Levi-Strauss, Hallmark, Peak, AOL, Gannett News Service (USAToday), the Audobon Society, ABC, CNN News, every Speilberg production, Disney, Clorox, Cummins Engine Co., Hyatt Hotels, MNC financial, Ben & Jerry's for the fat-butts, the ACLU, American Bar Association, AARP, the NEA, the U.S. Catholic Conference, American Methodist Foundations, and hunderds of others actively supporting the anti-Constitutional rights efforts of Brady Inc. and others.

Get over the S&W issue, its old news and you're only contributing to a "divide & conquer" tactic.

Read the NRA news.

myronman3 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 24, 2003, 06:57:43 AM »

i dont care what kind of press release they issued or what kind of letter they sent to whomever. it is my understanding that the agreement is still very enforcable. i will not get over it and it is NOT old news.:evil:

carolcann · « **Reply #19 on:** October 25, 2003, 05:17:50 AM »

If one desires the truth, one should contact the present Smith & Wesson directly and get the facts.

love and kisses,
CC

TScottO · « **Reply #20 on:** October 25, 2003, 05:52:39 AM »

carolcann-I'd like to see a more extensive list of the anitgun groups. Is their a link that has them listed? I looked at NRA.org but didn't see anything.

Good luck and be safe,
Scott

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #21 on:** October 25, 2003, 09:36:30 AM »

Id like to take a poll as to everyone here that is bashing smith. How many of you bashers drive a Jap car or truck. Kind of hipicritical to bash a company that employs alot of good american people and drive a car that is taking jobs away from us. I have many friends that work in the steel industry and auto industry here and they would jump all over you for buying a handgun from a non american company like Tarus. YOu can say all you want about where there built but the money goes to brazil! Ill continue to buy american products when ever I can. To me the fact that americans are losing jobs to oversees companies is alot more tragic then a company like smith getting pressured into making a bad descission. You guys can keep buying your taruses and berettas and Rosis and brownings and ill keep buying Rugers Remingtons winchesters and smiths. To me if your going to preach to someone you should be living a lifestyle that reflects what you preach. Im sorry but I just dont feel that tarus reflects the all american cowboy way! werent to many of them in the old west

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 25, 2003, 11:05:39 AM »

Well put Lloyd Smale. I agree 100%

myronman3 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 25, 2003, 11:19:48 AM »

with all due respect, the all american cowboys would role over in their graves (and they wouldnt be the only ones) if they were made aware of the way things are now. and i aint just talking smith's antics.
for the record, i am as hardcore a union guy as it gets. i have served three years as secretary for my local and 4 years as a steward. i as much as anyone hate to see american jobs lost. but i place more stock in my constitutional rights than i do in my job. i have risked my hide for 3 years in one of countrys most elite units ever. i would not risk a tenth as much for my job.
i do not let the union's views dictate my voting. and i do not support companys that would give away MY rights just so they can stay in business.
and as far as american products go, there are damn few that are still american. take harley davidson for example; or ford or chevys.
believe me, there are many american jobs created by taurus. ask your dealer which gun he makes more off of per sale; and which he sells more of. point is, eveyone has alot of overseas manufactured things. it is a worldwide economy. it is impossible not to.
all this i guess i can sum up really easy. i believe in buy american; until that "american"company tries to sell my rights down the river.
i still say screw smith and wesson.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #24 on:** October 25, 2003, 11:47:00 AM »

everyone is intilted to there own opionion and has to live life to there own standards. I too am a union steward. I am constantly harrassed for being the only republican union steward in the union. BUt i dont let politics dictate how I do my job. I too fought for the constitution 4 years in a VERY ELITE organization. I am a veitnam vette an dammed proud of it. I would gladly fight for the repeal of any gun control law and dont believe what smith did was right. But Ill still buy american made union made products every chance I get. I love my guns more then anyone but I cant agree that my right to own a gun is more important then my neighbors right to eat or to feed his family. Toyota and nissan and sony and BMW and every other foriegn made product in the us makes money for some ammerican but takes it away from two others. Ill stick to my guns and buy american thank you. You can buy what you want Im not here to judge anyone just myself. I just dont like other people telling me to buy something made oversees when a product just as good if not better is made here by americans in america for americans and its my belief that as long as people make any exceptions I spent that 4 years just getting wet! Like I said Im not posting this to stir up crap. I honestly hope that it doesnt. I just fought to hard to let someone call me a commy just for buying an american made smith and wesson So if you are youd better be at least a vet and have put more then your mouth on the line for the constitution if your preaching protecting it.

myronman3 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 25, 2003, 11:59:43 AM »

i aint calling you nothing. i believe you have the right to buy whatever you want. i just cant bring myself to support them; and i guess that is my whole point.
as far as "just getting wet", feels like it sometimes, dont it?
and as far as the public owning guns; i think it is every bit as vital as feeding your family (speaking of which, i ve got to go feed mine {baby is crying}).

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #26 on:** October 25, 2003, 12:47:01 PM »

Like I said I too believe that you have the right to buy what you want to and to voice your opinion, an opinion that means just as much as mine. The fact that you can feed you baby means that we both didnt fight for nothing and the fact that we both can voice our opinions does too. Give that little one a hug for me and God bless you and your family on this fine day! Now if youd just fight the wisconson government with as much enthusiasm I could carry my gun in your state too

ftstinyc · « **Reply #27 on:** October 25, 2003, 01:51:05 PM »

Keep in mind that S&W makes some frames and slides for other american
gun companys. If you don't like Smith then you shouldn't be buying the
others either. Dan Wesson and Kimber come to mind.

GBO MGMT · « **Reply #28 on:** October 25, 2003, 02:59:13 PM »

Lloyd said:

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You guys can keep buying your taruses and berettas and Rosis and brownings and ill keep buying Rugers Remingtons winchesters and smiths.

Sorry Lloyd but both Winchester and Browning are owned by the French Government and practically if not every thing in their product lines are made in Japan. So you AREN'T really buying American after all are ya?

I am blantantly and unashamedly anti untion. I think they servered a worthwhile purpose in American ONCE upon a time. But I think that time has long since passed. Now I think they do more harm than good. They cost more Americas jobs to foreign countries than anything else in America. They are hand in glove with the democraps which in my opinion might just be the single greatest evil in this country today. I see them as the greatest threat to the US Constitution which I love. I value my Constitutional Rights far more than I value American jobs.

I must admit I do get rather caustic on the S&W deal at times. But when someone steps on my Constitutional Rights I take it real personal and don't forget it quickly.

BTW I drive two Ford trucks and an Oldsmobile car. BUT these days Honda, Toyota, Nissan and BMW made more vehicles here than overseas I think. They are putting Americans to work. Those paychecks go home with Americans. So are they less American than my Ford or Olds because of the name on them? All companies are owned by the stock holders these days. Far more foreigners are now buying American company's stocks than ever before and so what was once ALL AMERICAN no longer is.

We live in a global economy and might as well face it. NOTHING is all American anymore. Well except those of us who live here and love our country and our Constitution.

GB

myronman3 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 25, 2003, 03:03:36 PM »

we have gotten it passed! bad news is that pinhead doyle will certainly veto it. hopefully we can override his veto. won the first round but the fight is just begining. now if only mccallum would have won.... :cry: .
it would be a done deal.