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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2010, 03:33:16 PM »
tmar04, the rifle is a Colt 6920 with a 16" 1:7 barrel.  I also shoot the same load in a H&R Handi Rifle with a 22" 1:12 barrel.  It performs well out of both.  I was hitting 8" circles at 532yds the other day with both rifles.

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2010, 01:22:48 PM »
what's the perfect rifle for these new bullet proof deer we have now?  well, it's the one you an put a shot in the vitals with.  use my 16" rock river AR when my dainty 9 year old daughter comes to the blind with me.  no recoil, she shoots it well, always used partition loads or corbon dpx loads in it but glad to see the sierra's do well also, best bullet per dollar imho.  my friend shot through both shoulders of a large bull elk at 376 yards, bullet not recovered and a large exit wound, elk went about 10 yards and dropped.  guess what round he was using.........................................a .308 black hills barnes load.  to think a 30.06 is needed for deer is just laughable, way overpowered for deer.  it's great b/c you can use it on deer, yotes, grizzly, moose, and pretty sure you could take down anything that walks with it, but strictly for deer...........way overpowered.  .223's are great for any kid/female/or recoil sensitive hunter that values accuracy over larger caliber flinching.  just use a good bullet, you did, and congrats.................venison in the freezer.
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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2010, 01:24:54 PM »
 :( not all deer are taken from blinds like texas.....

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2010, 06:02:05 PM »
Neither of mine this past year were from a blind.  I get clostrophobic in those things. 

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2010, 07:17:13 PM »
I have a question for you guys.  How long a shot will you take on a deer or antelope with a 223 and a bullet like the gk, np or pp?  I took my 223 with 60 gr partitions hunting antelope and left the 308 home last fall.  Mistake, I didn't get a shot under 250 or so that I could take and thought that was a little too far.  What d'ya think?  

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2010, 07:20:37 PM »
I think you should have shot one through the lungs and had antelope in the freezer.



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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #66 on: April 12, 2010, 04:31:35 AM »
After 350 yards or so after velocity drops to around 2,000fps you should not be shooting.  Bullets suitable for big game at around 2000fps don't reliably expand.  For me I would shoot antelope out to 300yds,  350yds out of the short AR barrels is risky on light big game. Good bullets make the difference in small bores but when your bullet is going under its expansion window it will perform like a FMJ.  Just because I can hit a target with ease to 600yds with both of my 223's doesn't mean I'll shoot big game with'em.  223's in my opinion kill deer as well as bigger cartridges at close range(under 150yds) but when the ranges get long(over 300yds) leave them at home and grab a more powerful cartridge.  Dave       

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #67 on: April 12, 2010, 06:07:07 AM »
 :D You have it right Dave, just because you can hit an animal in the lungs with a caliber doesn't mean it will drop immediately or with in the area...I have seen an antelope shot though both lungs at three hundred and twenty five yards remain on its feet for more than 10 minutes...if it had run,it could have easily been lost...It is like the guy shooting deer at 250 yards fleeting across and opening with an open sighted .30-30...each morning when I walk I see deer in a field about 250 yards  away...they usually go for cover, what and unethical thing to do plink at a deer moving at that range with an open sighted rifle...while calibers will work close up under excellent conditions doesn't mean they are suitable for general hunting...

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #68 on: April 12, 2010, 09:44:41 AM »
Both of the deer this year that fell to the .223 were under 75yds.  I would not want to take a shot out past 200 and that's pushing it a bit.  I've shot pigs out to 188 reliably with the .223, but I'm nearly as concerned about shot placement on a pig as I am on a deer.

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #69 on: April 12, 2010, 12:47:57 PM »
I have seen an antelope shot though both lungs at three hundred and twenty five yards remain on its feet for more than 10 minutes...if it had run,it could have easily been lost...

There ain't an antelope in the world that can go without air for 10 minutes and still be standing. ;)
What was the animal shot with?



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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #70 on: April 12, 2010, 01:36:19 PM »
 :D Well, Spanky, I shot the antelope with a 257 roberts at just over 300 yards...the 100 grain Speer hit both lungs and exited with maybe a nickle size hole....in those days there were thosands of antelope in this country and this was a herd of maybe75animals..for some reason they did not run, but milled around in a herd...so a second shot was not possible...my wife was with me and I told her to look at her watch....the herd walked and milled...and we waited..finally they strung out and started filing up the hill...the last of the antelope started walking...at this point I was doubting I had hit her, but the shot looked and felt good. Gradually, one antelope fell behind the other and with in a few more yards lay down..I think between 7-10 minutes had passed at this point...the antelope never tried to get up, its head was up for a while..we decided to drive up, and by the time we got there, the animal was dead...It was a perfect double lung shot,  had she ran, she could have gone down in a sage brush basin and been very difficult to locate once she got out of sight...Now this is only one of several incidents like this...the bullet went clear though, but the shock was pretty low...Over the years, I have been in on the kill of well over 200 of these animals...some pretty unusual things happen when one is hunting...Most of the guys who have pat answers about guns and game have been long on reading magazines, and short on shooting big game....

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #71 on: April 12, 2010, 05:46:51 PM »
I like the 257 Roberts. It's a great whitetail round.



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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #72 on: April 12, 2010, 10:23:40 PM »
Well, I might have let one walk I could have shot at.  Still taking a bigger gun next time.  Thanks guys.

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #73 on: April 13, 2010, 03:18:34 AM »
You did the right thing.  If you don't feel comfortable you don't shoot.  At 250 yards and longer a 223 has lost a lot of steam.  I don't mind hunting deer with a 223 but when hunting over a field I always bring a more powerful cartridge.   Dave

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #74 on: April 13, 2010, 04:04:11 AM »
Well, I might have let one walk I could have shot at.  Still taking a bigger gun next time.  Thanks guys.

No shame at all in letting game walk.  Never regret that, it's part of hunting.  If anything you should be proud that you did that when many other people would have taken a sloppy shot and hoped for the best.

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2010, 05:24:11 AM »
I wonder how many deer and other game have been lost with a bad hit from a 300 Win Mag? Or a 3006, or 7mm Rem Mag, or any of the others. It's kinda like sky diving. Sometimes it works, and occasionally it doesn't.
Personal choice in caliber, is just that. If it works for someone, it is the right choice regardless of caliber. Experts are usually "self proclaimed", and either make their living, or their pastime, in judging others, from what they THINK, not what they actually saw the person being judged do, and the conditions the judgee was dealing with. They "judge" because they "think" they know best, but it many times it is "in their own mind" that they know best, and not anyone else's.
My point? If it works for you. Who the hell cares what anyone else thinks about anything? Now! "In my own mind", I think this is the way to look at it. But that's not necessarily in anyone else's mind. But! Either way, I don't care. ;)
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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #76 on: April 14, 2010, 03:50:03 AM »
 >:( If you are so darn sure of yourself and don't care why bother writing...this board is about sharing information......

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #77 on: April 14, 2010, 05:25:06 AM »
I'll share, I won't shoot at any animal larger than a coyote past 150 yards with my 223 rifles. This seems reasonable to me.
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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #78 on: April 14, 2010, 01:36:13 PM »

My point? If it works for you. Who the hell cares what anyone else thinks about anything? Now! "In my own mind", I think this is the way to look at it. But that's not necessarily in anyone else's mind. But! Either way, I don't care. ;)

I agree and I'd do the same thing again.  I had plenty of time laying in the grass there to think it over, it wasn't a snap decision.  I was just asking to hear where others cut off on the 223, not to decide if I made the right call.  I don't often second guess those kinds of calls, mine or anybody else's.


 

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #79 on: April 14, 2010, 02:38:07 PM »
>:( If you are so darn sure of yourself and don't care why bother writing...this board is about sharing information......

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #80 on: May 28, 2010, 10:24:12 PM »
Here in Al any .22 centerfire or above w/ expanding bullets are legal.  I've taken deer with .221 Fireball, .222 Rem, .223, .220 Swift, .22-250(Savage Stryker Pistol) so IMHO of course the .223 is ok for deer.  It was designed to take out a full size motivated human soldier under stressful conditions, why can't it take out unsuspecting unstressed wild animal that is not expecting harm?  My .223 deer were with Sierra 52gr HPBTs, Speer 63 Semi pointed(loaded for 1973 USAF Marksmanship Team-deer killed 2006), and 55gr Federal Premium HPBTs.  I now have some Winchester 60gr. Nosler Partitions loaded for their LE ammo that are said to penetrate as much as a 168gr. .308 in ballistic gel (18"). There are some that swear by large heavy bullets, but last season I loaded my three deer in the truck from the greenfield. My hunting partner and I spent two hours looking for his 2 does shot in greenfields with a .300 Weatherby Mag/180gr. Rem  bullets! One had a 5" exit wound out of the rib cage and we still had to find her!

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #81 on: July 19, 2010, 06:58:34 AM »
I bought some of these 55 gr Gamekings to load for my new .223 H&R Ultra Varmint before I ever found this thread. My idea is mostly to use them on coyotes, foxes, and coons. But I wanted to pick a bullet to load that would be suitable for use on a deer should a decent shot present itself while getting rid of chicken killers at my brothers farm.
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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #82 on: August 22, 2010, 03:49:42 PM »
I used a .243win last year to take my first deer. This year, i think i'm going to try with my AR, i also think i'll try some 64gr win power points. If they work as well as their 100gr power point did out of my .243...i think i'll be good to go.

I have no doubt that the .223 can kill a deer cleanly. Hell, my main purpose for buying the AR was for hogs...

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #83 on: September 07, 2010, 03:18:41 PM »
In regards to the #1365 Sierra Game King- I have used it on mule deer and also whitetail and also antelope. I have shot it from 22-250's and also 223. If the velosity is kept below 3500to 3600fps. THIS bullet will hold together. You can argue all you want about ethics but a good bullett and good shot placement make it all come together. Try it if you want or don't try it-the decision is yours.

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #84 on: September 08, 2010, 09:33:29 AM »
Ive shot a number of deer with the 223 and have yet to loose one. If you do your part and put a bullet where it belongs and pass on marginal shots it does a real good job. My bullet of choise is the 60  nos partition but have used others. we get a chance to shoot alot of deer doing crop damage shooting and get to see how alot of guns work. What ive noticed is at 200 yards or less it will put them down as well as a 243 class gun. When the ranges get past 200 yards in my opinion its time to step up to something a bit bigger. Not that the 223 wont kill a deer at 300 yards just that you may need to chase it a bit and in my experince you will end up with little or no blood trail. Not trying to pick a fight but have to wonder if the guys that claim it doesnt have enough power have actually even tried it themselves or are just passing on others opinions. Either that or there the type of hunter who relys on a cannon to make up for there lack of patients and marksmanship.
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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #85 on: September 08, 2010, 09:49:07 AM »
 ;)Lloyd, I have thought quite a bit about this and the deer rifle discussions in general...you are right about placing the bullet of course...but one thing I think we often for get are the great differences in deer hunting from area to area...I think THAT is very, very important when we talk about killing power and deer calibers....

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #86 on: September 08, 2010, 10:02:36 AM »
I've never shot at a deer with a 223 but at some point it's not always a bad idea to consider what other people are saying.  I can't fault guys for saying it's not the best idea more than I can those who promote it.  Sure it can be done.  I've seen guys get a crotch rocket on one wheel going over 100mph on the highway on you tube but it doesn't mean it's a good idea for me to try it.  I think it depends on everyones personal abilities and experience.  It's not legal in my state so it's a nonissue for me.  If it were legal, I'd feel comfortable with head shots only using my savage and that rifle is capable to do it out to 300 yards, but it wouldn't be my first choice.  I wouldn't mind hunting with an AR once just to hunt with it.  I can promise though, if the SHTF I'll give deer hunting with an AR a try.

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #87 on: September 09, 2010, 03:40:14 AM »
teddy the problem with listening to to much advice on the internet is very little of it is first hand. To many are just repeating what they heard on the internet or from there buddy or from a gun writer trying to praise something that is paying his wages. One guy with a name says something works or doesnt and all of a sudden everyone that doesnt really know jumps on the bandwagon and repeats it to look like they know guns. Or one guy makes a poor shot with a .223 and rather then admit he made a poor shot or even is a poor shot he badmouths the gun or round. I havent PERSONALY killed a truck load of deer with the .223 but have shot a few of them and have seen my buddy shoot a few more and with a good bullet like the partition and a well placed shot i can about guarantee you that back straps will be on the breakfast menu.
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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #88 on: September 10, 2010, 06:16:24 PM »
Lloyd, I've missed lots of pigs with my .223.  And my .243.  And my 7.62X54R.  And my 30-06.  And with some 00 Buck.  And with a variety of handguns.  It wasn't the gun's fault.  Sometimes I miss. 

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Re: .223 Performance on Deer
« Reply #89 on: September 11, 2010, 01:38:36 AM »
Now jamyton, your my hero. You ain't supposed to miss, or at least not admitt to it. ;D
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