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fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« on: November 30, 2009, 08:57:53 PM »
no, I'm not gonna dump her  ;D

I told her in may maybe? that I'd stop trying to be a gunsmith and not damage a crappy 1911 anymore in the attempt to get it to feed correctly.... I got it feeding but the cases looked stressed after just one firing so it got sold for parts to an acquaintence.  about june I got a new 1911 and this one I like... it will probably outlive me (.45acp brass costs!)... and in august maybe, I bought a used .357 that had problems- I broke it worse trying to fix it, got it factory overhauled and life is good since.... till I decided I NEED a handi in 45-70.  my ffl has it ordered and "held" for me and ready to purchase now... we were gonna wait to do the deal, when I get my christmas bonus but now that's been pushed back till approximately january 15th and I don't want to wait that long.  I told my fiance that I'd wait until christmas/bonus time... not christmas day, not the day I get my bonus, just that time frame.  well now it's no longer the last day of november, it's december and I want that gun.  december is close enough right???  I brought it up the other day jokingly (like, ha ha, are you stupid enough to believe I'm not trying to gauge your thoughts) and she seemed really happy that I didn't just buy it behind her back and lie about it (it's happened before) or bring it home and say surprise (she calls this impulse buying but it's an obsessively calculated purchase, always- never impulsive) so I don't think she'll be mad about it. ..  should I just get her some flowers too?  christmas present early?  we already have a "puppy" so that won't work... like I said she's not gonna get rid of me but I don't want any crap either.

I'm sure a lot of you have been in this situation a lot of times... tips please (I'll show her that there was a vote and she lost, maybe that'll help?)

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 09:19:33 PM »
hmmm... well as long as the other bases are covered such as bills, groceries, gas, rent, etc AND as long as it's disposable income then buy what you want.  She'll live with it.  Sounds harsh but if she loves you now, she'll still love you with a safe full of guns.  I don't buy nearly as many as I want.  In fact I buy darn few guns but my wife KNEW my obsession going into the marriage.  I only spend what I can save that is "extra" right now.  The kids have to eat, the truck needs gas, gotta pay bills and all that stuff.  I'm not saying that you should just buy whatever you want.  If it's disposable income, make a deal with her.  If you have $400 a month extra, tell her you'll put $200 in the "vacation fund" or "wedding fund" and then you get to keep the other $200 to do as you please.  Don't ever neglect her for guns...  I know, we would never do that but they don't see it that way.  They want a new sewing machine, you buy a new pistol... they just don't understand...

I just keep a list of "wanna get ones" and slowly knock the list down one by one.

It'll get better next year.

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 09:53:11 PM »
thanks,

I'll just use my credit card most likely.. I've never been wild about using the thing but I've already got a tv on it for christmas so I got a bit of interest to pay now anyways.  I CAN cover it but it'll have me flat broke till the end of january if I do it now.. I'll definitely do better to charge the expense, or get a loan (I think the card company does that up to 500- I'd rather swipe it though)

know anything about new changes to the nra credit card?  I never got any notification of big changes after the whatchamacall-it credit bill got passed around.  I assume someone on here has the nra credit card but any of you that actually use a credit card might know something about that (this is only the second christmas I've used the thing and I never had one before- I'm ignorant)

neglect her no, I pay all the bills (except internet), that's why I'm broke (she's low-maintenance too, as long as I don't get her a crappy ring later we'll be fine)

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2009, 01:29:52 AM »
When I bought my .50 cal BMG, I bought the wife a mini van, makes it hard to be mad that way ;D
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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2009, 01:35:12 AM »
I would dump her immediately. This sort of behavior will only escalate over time and will certainly lead to an inevitable divorce. I am not joking.
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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2009, 01:36:09 AM »
you aint going to like it, but if you are putting the purchase on a credit card then i side with her.  you cant afford it.  she is just being smart, and if you are smart, you will defer to her better judgement.  

   many of us here have are horders, me included.  for some reason guns seem to bring that trait out in those of us who like them.  admitting it is the first step, then being responsible about it is the next.   using credit cards is like pounding nails into your own coffin.

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2009, 01:49:54 AM »
If ya can't afford it at the price it costs, how can you afford it when it costs more by paying interest?
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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2009, 01:55:47 AM »
When you begin letting women in your life tell you what to do it's time to RUN not walk away. As Rudy says it will only get worse and inevitably leads to divorce at some point down the line and divorces are EXPENSIVE. Yeah I know you aren't married now and that she's already trying to run things when you aren't is not a good sign.

I've never asked permission or consulted her on my purchases tho she's welcome to go along when I go to the gunstores should she want to but my wife is not involved in buying decisions on guns. Heck I doubt I've bought quite 500 of them since we got married 44 years ago but I'd bet by now the number has exceeded 400.


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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2009, 02:34:58 AM »
Graybeard is a lot more eloquent than I am on this matter and he put it more correctly too. The issue is a fundamental incompatibility on the very important core belief concerning money and recreation. My buying habits are about what Graybeard described. But I will add this: before buying any guns or fishing tackle or other "toy" for myself, including trips, I always made sure that my wife and family were amply provided for first and that my wife and children always got things important to them before I got things important to me.

As for using a credit card, I have done it, but have paid it off right away (this was to buy a gun via out of state sellers). I have a friend who buys guns with a credit card, but that's all he buys and he keeps a low balance of a few hundred dollars. It's just an idiosyncracy of his. I put a lot of the travel expenses for a family trip on a credit card once, and the timing was such that I had to pay interest. It was about $50 for one month. It was worth the convenience, but $50 is a lot of money.

I should have mentioned that my gun count is nowhere near Graybeard's. His lifetime purchases are about an order of magnitude higher than mine.
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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2009, 02:40:59 AM »
problem is, that is not how he described his situation.   
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I CAN cover it but it'll have me flat broke till the end of january if I do it now.. I'll definitely do better to charge the expense, or get a loan (I think the card company does that up to 500- I'd rather swipe it though)
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.....that's why I'm broke...

i agree with g.b. and questors point about not being bullrung.  but!   the way you describe the situation, it sounds to me like she is just being smart. 

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2009, 02:42:47 AM »
I "broke the news" this morning and she just rolled her eyes at me.  she's not anti-gun or afraid of them, she just wants us to have more furniture/which she does buy most of for us.  she's also responsible for 9/10ths of the laundry and chores, so I see why she wants me to get involved (me buying furniture is more likely than me not being a slob- she's picking a realistic objective).  no dumping is likely short of growing old or having a heart attack- we've been together over two years now.  in her defense I really do spend almost everything I make in a forty hour week on bills.  I work fourty-eight hour weeks plus get a va disability check though, so I'm not totally broke but cannot seem to get any savings built up beyond $500 because I can buy a gun with that... and almost always will almost immediately.

I've got a christmas bonus coming in january so I can afford the rifle, no biggie.  I'm not gonna fail to pay my rent and have to barter ammo to make up the difference with my landlord (though thankfully I probably could if I needed to, he's got the addiction worse than me because he has money and still gets into the same trouble sometimes!!!).

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2009, 02:56:43 AM »
That's OK!
She will have her day at the wedding after which she will tell what parts of it she liked best.
Most likely will be the
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At least that is what she will be telling her friends,

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2009, 02:58:10 AM »
I remember when I was first married my big treat was to buy some nightcrawlers and hooks and sinkers maybe and go fishing at the river bank. I wouldn't buy much for clothes or shoes or anything else for me. We needed all our money for furniture and lawn mowers and curtains and so many other things for the home. Then we had kids and it didn't get any cheaper. We were married about seven years before I was able to buy some finer things for myself.

The smartest thing I did was during the Fall before we got married. I realized that after marriage it would be a long time before I'd be able to have something nice for myself, so I bought an excellent fly rod and reel and line. These are some of my most treasured posessions because I will always have the memory of trout and panfish fishing with that fine equipment. The first thing I bought myself those seven years later was a heavier fly rod and reel made for bass fishing.
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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2009, 03:01:53 AM »
I made a deal with my wife long ago.  She has to put 1/2 of whatever she spends on jewelry into my rifle account.  This does several things. 1 it ups the cost of her jewelry by 50%.  2 it gives me a slush fund that I don't have ro use for guns.  3  I encourage her to buy the best.  4  as she is fairly frugal she really thinks before buying.  So do I.  

That said my wife has some museum quality pieces down in the safe deposit box.  We have been married almost thirty years and are tolerant of each others intrests.  When times wern't flush we both set aside nonessentials and never used credit for what we wanted but did not need.  For us it works.

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2009, 03:12:45 AM »
Squib:  a partnership and marriage are often full of compromises - that is the aspect of having to work together to build a home, life and family.  This doesn't mean you have to back off what you want, just consider her in the process and treat her needs or wants as you would treat your own, and be realistic about it.  

There were many times in my first marriage when compromise was necessary to restore peace.  This did not mean that I caved in - I got what I wanted but made certain she would not have any complaints about it as she got what she wanted too.  

You get what you need to assure the safety of your home and family, and this includes your fiance; most anything after that is a toy, unless you need it for a specific purpose - ie., a long range shooter that puts meat in the freezer when the shots are way beyond shotgun or pistol range.  If the worst she did was to roll her eyes and to express her desire for more furniture, which is often the wont of women as it means you approve of her 'nesting', then she is most likely a 'keeper' who won't care a whit about a additonal gun or two or whatever, over the years as long as you keep her happy.  You keep her happy and she keeps you happy.

As to costs of things and ammo and the like - start reloadin' pal, it pays off in many more ways than most think of.  

I have seen many marriages so bereft of emotion and caring that the idea of those people staying together until death did them part reminds me of the one about the miser who died and left his wife specific instructions to put his money in his coffin with him so he could take it with him.  When he died, she showed up at the funeral in a new dress and shoes with a matching purse, and a new hairdoo.  Just before the coffin was sealed she placed a slip of paper in the coffin with him - while onlookers thought this a wonderfully loving thing to do, thinking it was a note or letter to her late husband, she admitted later it was simply a check for the full amount of his wealth and said that he could have whatever he wanted when he could cash it.......  If you are planning on starting a life with your fiance, ya'll oughta make sure it doesn't end like that.............jmtcw.  And blindhari has it right.

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2009, 03:14:08 AM »
well... I wasn't a gun owner until post-military, after which I've owned about twenty guns?  I knew about nothing but m-16's and ironsights and had to try out a few things before I got my tastes established.  that's a lot in two years, and I'm not loaded by any means... other than an occasional videogame or dvd's (really, not that often) I don't spend on any other hobby.  I don't think that I'd have even had the ability to buy more than half of those if I didn't trade most of them off to fund the next ones.  any of you ever see some guy always getting a new car every year and then trading to "stay current" or to experience the "new car feeling"?  that was me with guns.. and when me and stephanie lived in an apartment instead of a house she didn't gripe about it, but I'm broke now and she does gripe.  I'm actually trying to retain my recent purchases now, get my collection rounded out some so I can stop buying (theoretically, i never will completely stop) and just focus on loading and shooting.  that's another thing too, loading gear is expensive.  anyways I do mean to get finished buying in 2010 so I can get focused on other stuff- like having money in savings again, and home improvment.

8 handguns, 8 longguns that I can actually remember right now.... lots of ammo and gear for them too, which usually left my possession when I got a new gun.  that's rediculous for a guy not far above minimum wage... probably obsessive.  long story short I just wanted to know how to get out of getting griped out for being ... ... stupid.  no matter now though, she took it well- so maybe if I can only get one every three months or so I'll be alright (financially too!).

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2009, 03:16:29 AM »
Ian Fleming wrote an excellent short story about the destruction of a marriage. It's called A Quantum of Solace. This is not to be confused with a movie of the same name. The story is about how a man finally stops caring after his abusive wife goes just a bit too far. It's something that every married person should read.
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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2009, 03:23:19 AM »
I think I might have been too critical of her, the connotation wasn't correctly carried through my words...

me and her aren't human beings anymore, we're honey bears.  honey bears stick together, live in a honey bear cave, have a slim cub named duke that looks almost like a dog but is actually a honey bear cub.... I really just wanted to know how to diffuse the argument (which didn't come up) about me being an idiot with my money.

thanks for the (other than divorce/boot) tips guys

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2009, 04:11:57 AM »
Most wives have the idea that they have the ability to remould you to their idea of the perfect husband.If your future wife doesn't share your insterest now, what do you think that the future holds for you?If you think that she will change, you are only kidding yourself.I've been through the divorce route and its expensive but more so when children are involved.I think that if this relationship means something to you its time to lay all of your cards on the table and talk about future togather and what you can live with and what you can't.A family that works togather and plays togather stays togather.

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2009, 04:12:23 AM »
My first thought was get a dog. ???

They're always happy to see you.
They'll listen to you gripe all day long.
They eat pretty much anything you feed them.
They're always ready to play when you are.
They don't need to put on make up every time you leave the house.

Well the list goes on and on.

But the truth of the matter wifes make life interesting.
So I'll just wish you luck! ;D
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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2009, 04:28:08 AM »
It's only been 16 years for me, but here's how our extended conversations go on the gun issue.
"I haven't seen that one before, when did you get it?" 
"A few months ago"
"OK"

She can shoot and has killed a couple coons and woodchuck that were too close to the house, but doesn't care to shoot on a regular basis. She accepts it just like I accept the crap that she does and buys. I would be concerned if I was getting "dogged" prior to the I-Do's.
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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2009, 04:33:57 AM »
A suggestion was made to split whatever you guys have for disposable $ and you each do whatever you want with it.  Not a bad idea, works for both of your interests.  For whatever it's worth, I made sure I had what hunting guns I could possibly ever need purchased before I got married, and this was good planning.  Also don't buy with a credit card, she's right to be mad at you for that.  And maybe find a hobby you both enjoy, other than the honey bear stuff. ;) 

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2009, 11:28:01 AM »
my girl friend told me to stop buying gun because she get jealous and want one. i am a lucky man.

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2009, 11:31:43 AM »
+1 on the 'honey bear' comments.  i started to gag after the second one.   :P

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2009, 12:06:45 PM »
I wish I'd bought more guns instead of putting money in a 401K.
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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2009, 12:28:09 PM »
If money is tight, and your GF is unhappy with you spending more, pick something you own out of the safe you don't use, and sell or trade it for something you want.  Couple months down the road, repeat, and so on,  That way you get to experience a wide variety of firearms without spending a whole lot of $$.  Of course, you always hang on to the guns that have an emotional attachment, or fill a specific need, and are often used, like, say your favorite deer rifle.

There are a group of guys at work who own a bunch of nice stuff, and they meet once a month, and borrow something from each other, giving them all the oppertunity to try a wide variety of weapons without having to make a purchase.

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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2009, 12:38:11 PM »
+1 on the 'honey bear' comments.  i started to gag after the second one.   :P


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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2009, 02:10:46 PM »
If the money is so tight that you have to put it on a card, DON'T GET IT! Thats on you. Now as for her, if she is one to tell you what to buy and when, DUMP HER NOW! I'm not sure if she is telling you not because you can't afford it right now, or just to be controlling.

Here was the conversation with my young bride, I said honey I'm going to buy a Mini 14 and told her the amount. SHe said you don't have to ask me when you want to buy a gun.
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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2009, 02:17:00 PM »
Personally I think it's important for a couple to discuss major purchases.  I've been married for 34 years.  Don't buy on plastic ever.
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Re: fiance wants me to stop spending all my extra money on guns
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2009, 02:27:39 PM »
Hello Squib
      You sure are lucky That you invested in firearms with the value of the dollar dropping as it has been as the value of firearms increasing as they have been.  That was a shrewd move. Its pretty difficult to go wrong with firearm purchases.  With regard to the .45 that shows sign of the case not being supported. More than likely a new barrel will take care of that. The .45 is sensitive to the shape of the bullet nose.
If you are using something other than round nose then slight modifications may be required. Twenty guns have more than likely increased in value significantly.
                              Yankee1