Author Topic: Decorated Veteran, 90, Fights to Raise Flag in His Yard (Read 4653 times)

teamnelson · « **on:** December 03, 2009, 09:36:01 AM »

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579147,00.html

This makes a Chaplain want to curse ... Retired Colonel, WWII vet, Medal of Honor recipient, highly decorated, can't fly a flag per the order.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #1 on:** December 03, 2009, 09:47:15 AM »

I live just outside Richmond We have some soicalist here also.

BBF · « **Reply #2 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:31:23 AM »

TN:
When I saw the subject matter I thought this man was forbidden to fly the flag period. Not so. I would side with the neighbors, he knew the restriction before he put up the pole.

myronman3 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:45:09 AM »

this man has the c.m.h.. anyone who has a beef with him flying his flag should be physically beaten. what the hell has this country come to?

Skunk · « **Reply #4 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:55:51 AM »

Quote from: BBF on December 03, 2009, 10:31:23 AM

I would side with the neighbors, he knew the restriction before he put up the pole.

BOOOoooooo BBF, BOOOoooooooo. That's a full week of liver dinners for you young man.

Sounds like a bunch of selfish friggin neighbors to me.

The guy is a 3-War Vet with a Congressional Medal of Honor. I'd be asking him for the honor of helping raise and lower his flag.

Spanky · « **Reply #5 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:18:10 AM »

Every member of that POS homeowners association needs to get the living s**t kicked out of them. I applaud the man. He is a hero.

Spanky

Spanky · « **Reply #6 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:21:45 AM »

Quote from: BBF on December 03, 2009, 10:31:23 AM

TN:
When I saw the subject matter I thought this man was forbidden to fly the flag period. Not so. I would side with the neighbors, he knew the restriction before he put up the pole.

You ain't got a clue my friend. Not a clue.
Things like this happen because of people like you.

Spanky

alsaqr · « **Reply #7 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:39:49 AM »

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Every member of that POS homeowners association needs to get the living s**t kicked out of them.

Works for me. Col. Barfoot has done more for this country than all the members of the HOA board and their idiot lawyers combined.

BTW: There is nothing in that homeowner's association regulations that restrict or ban flagpoles. The scumbags are hassling this old man because some lily livered liberal complained.

I called these idiots and told them how I feel:

Contact Glenn Wilson, president of the Sussex Square Service HOA at (804) 741-9160 and their lawyers at Coates & Davenport, P.C. at (804) 285-7000 or toll-free at (800) 450-8311.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:53:27 AM »

It is unbelievable..seems like i say that more and more every day... this is AMERICA this is the HOME OF THE BRAVE and FREE! we have permitted stuff like this and i am as guilty as any. we should raise more heck than they can stand and shame the homeowners association. christ this nation has allways honored her warriors and always honored her flag that is until this last 30 years or so of sliding slowly into a PC correct little %4%4( world. This is America and we are a Christian based Nation and we are SPECIAL and better than any other nation on this planet. Just by the fact that I was born here I AM SPECIAL. There is no other country that is as GOOD a nation as the United States of America.

This man is a symbol of the spirit of this nation a man who obviously sacrificed greatly and risked his life repeatedly for this nation and for people like me and yes you. He has earned the right to fly the flag he defended. that flag represents this nation and all the ideals behind it. there should be a law passed that allows any citizen of this nation to fly the flag. He is a special man living in a special country and to those that do not like it...LEAVE.

I am calling whoever i can over this and writing or emailing all concerned about how i feel about it.

a4beltfed2000 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:55:57 AM »

This makes me what to puke

we have a veteran that has done more than his part defending our county and this is how he is treated!!! The SOBs that live around him should be burned out of their homes and publicly humilated on national TV.

TN, I can only convey my greatest dissappointment for your siding with neighbors in this situation. Every home in the United States should have a US flag flying over it and every student should have to say the pledge of alligence every morning.

Anyone and I mean anyone that does not have respect for our honored dead, remaining service veterans and overwhelming pride for our great nation needs to GET OUT! no exceptions!!!!!

Individuals do not have to agree on everything that happens within the United States, but if you aren't willing to support her, hop on the next plane over seas......

dialing phone numbers now......

Cabin4 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:09:09 PM »

He should ignore the threatening letter. They will do absolutly nothing. Homeowner assoc by-laws are very difficult to prevail on in court especially one like this. Heck, the states of Colorado and Illinois have been threatening me for years with legal action. They can do nothing and will not even try to do something and these are states, not some stupid home owners assoc.

Datil · « **Reply #11 on:** December 03, 2009, 03:53:01 PM »

Spanky, You said it right in your first post. Marv.

JASmith · « **Reply #12 on:** December 03, 2009, 04:09:02 PM »

Let's avoid personal attacks on fellow posters!

We all have a visceral reaction to abuse of the flag -- I lean toward the idea the the homeowners association blundered by failing to understand this.

Does anyone live close enough that they could take a picture of the pole and post it? This would help us figure out whether there are any commonsense issues that need to be resolved before we hammer them!

Oldshooter · « **Reply #13 on:** December 03, 2009, 04:10:59 PM »

Man, I'll say it again, we have been dropped in a parallel universe somewhere and everything is upside down!

Its a flag pole!!!!!! and a decorated veteran wants to fly his country's flag on it! What the hell kinda rule stops that! and if there is no written rule that says he cant have a flag pole then i say he should do it and let the chips fall!

JASmith · « **Reply #14 on:** December 03, 2009, 04:25:36 PM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on December 03, 2009, 04:10:59 PM

Man, I'll say it again, we have been dropped in a parallel universe somewhere and everything is upside down!

Its a flag pole!!!!!! and a decorated veteran wants to fly his country's flag on it! What the hell kinda rule stops that! and if there is no written rule that says he cant have a flag pole then i say he should do it and let the chips fall!

I believe that too many of the covenants have a little clause that has the effect of prohibiting anything that isn't explicitly approved. It goes a long way towards hurting freedom. Worse, since these "organizations" aren't governments, constitutional protections are limited.

That unreasonable power is one of the reasons I think that this particular homeowner's association needs to be pilloried in the press. It will discourage others from being stupid.

Questor · « **Reply #15 on:** December 03, 2009, 04:37:09 PM »

I hope he goes to court over it. In a case like this there's a chance that a good pro bono lawyer will come out of the woodwork to represent him, thus costing him little and making things uncomfortable for the home owner's association.

Can he win a case like this? Unfortunately, probably not. Things have really degenerated to that level. That's the way things are when you live in a townhouse or a condo.

powderman · « **Reply #16 on:** December 03, 2009, 04:54:47 PM »

. POWDERMAN. G RRRRRRRRRRR.

myronman3 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 03, 2009, 05:45:57 PM »

i think once the light was shined on the cockroaches, it was over. that is, once the story broke, people will be distancing themselves from this as fast as they can.

teamnelson · « **Reply #18 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:02:33 PM »

Quote from: a4beltfed2000 on December 03, 2009, 11:55:57 AM

TN, I can only convey my greatest dissappointment for your siding with neighbors in this situation.
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Easy killer ... I think you meant someone else.

BBF · « **Reply #19 on:** December 04, 2009, 11:38:53 AM »

How many times have I read the fury, beating on drums and hot anger expressed in writing in reference of obeying the law, re-interpreting it, ignoring it etc. right here on this site.

I'd say "numerous" would cover it.
Nobody, as far as I read the post is saying the man can't fly the flag.
How high, yes. Would 18 feet or 15 feet satisfy the covenant/neighbours, would it satisfy him?

Is it the size of the flag? I presume there isn't any bugle play involved.

What if he felt that it is his right as well and he would darn well blow or play the appropiate tune??

Seems to me you have a loggerhead situation on hand. The fact that this gentleman is a decorated individual has nothing to do with it but stubborness is.

Apparently the neighbourhood isn't objecting to the display of the flag since it is done by others, just not from a 22 foot or whatever height pole.

Geeez !!

teamnelson · « **Reply #20 on:** December 04, 2009, 01:50:19 PM »

It's because he uses a regulation height pole permanently fixed in a yard maintained by the community. Per the order, the things you buy at home depot and mount on your porch column aren't official colors as they are not displayed vertically. Perhaps he should mount it on his house.

It's a stupid covenant. Drive through his neighborhood and see how many holiday abominations are inflated in the yards.

Carl l. · « **Reply #21 on:** December 04, 2009, 02:41:53 PM »

I don't care what sized pole or American flag he has. I would be proud if he flew it in my neighhood. I would also take up for him. Carl L.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 04, 2009, 03:15:56 PM »

first i will say that it should never i repeat never be aginst any law rule regulation or covenant to display the flag of this nation anywhere with its borders.

Now i woulsy that size makes a difference i could understand a hughe monstrosity 40 footer but not anything with reason in size.

it simply is not right this America and he has that right as for as i am comcerned.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 04, 2009, 04:43:04 PM »

In this case, the violation is about the flag pole he erected in his front yard, not the display of the flag.

BBF · « **Reply #24 on:** December 05, 2009, 08:56:06 AM »

Quote from: Cabin4 on December 04, 2009, 04:43:04 PM

In this case, the violation is about the flag pole he erected in his front yard, not the display of the flag.

That is what I said in my first post. If he and his supporters were to replace the present members of the Assoc. legally and the covenant amended to allow that pole, so be it!

Carl l. · « **Reply #25 on:** December 05, 2009, 10:04:19 AM »

That pole is just 21ft. I think that veteran earned the right for what he did for his country. The way things are done now is take your pole and then take your flag. We have lost alot of our right's all ready and we don't need anymore lost. Carl L.

myronman3 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 06, 2009, 04:47:15 AM »

i say that a c.m.h. holder can fly anysize, anywhere, anytime, and i would be willing to personally beat anyone who would tell him he cant. period.

schutzen · « **Reply #27 on:** December 06, 2009, 07:02:12 AM »

The tenets of the Homeowners Association state that the flag pole has to be "aesthetically appropriate". Col. Bar Foot erected a "purchased, residential flag pole and is flying the US Flag on US soil", what is aseptically inappropriate about that? I believe the Homeowner's Association is out of line and will lose in court.

Of course if I was Col. Bar Foot, I would not want to live around such ingrates.

Back to work, My 22 foot flag pole is not tall enough. I have a 30 foot one half constructed and will set it as soon as the weather breaks this spring.

beerbelly · « **Reply #28 on:** December 06, 2009, 08:50:37 AM »

I lived for a while in a condo in south Florida. I would never again live any where they have a condo Association, Homeowners Association or any other association!
The head dude of the condo Association had a rule that you could not park a truck there. I told him if he parked his ford explorer there I would park my S-10 there as they are both trucks and would take him to court if I had to.
He gave up after talking to a lawyer, but hated my guts

.
It was a constant battle over one thing or another.
Beerbelly

myronman3 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 06, 2009, 04:55:48 PM »

it is a blantant case of some scumbag who has hidden behind the great deeds of other men, and has never had to do anything really hard in his life. these people really ought to be drug into the streets and caned. make that caned, bare @$$. really.