Author Topic: FORD (Read 3927 times)

scout4 · « **on:** December 05, 2009, 05:41:43 AM »

95 F-150 inline 6. scout4<><

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #1 on:** December 06, 2009, 01:54:39 AM »

thought that was one of the four letter words that was banned here

scout4 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 06, 2009, 04:00:15 AM »

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Tonk · « **Reply #3 on:** December 07, 2009, 06:19:16 AM »

Perhaps if your a Communist!!!

Well, FORD makes the best trucks period! The worst thing that has happened to the USA, was the introduction of Foreign automobiles and trucks into our country. Now look up the history of what made this nation what it was back in the 40's, 50's and 60's.

Big 3 Auto Makers, Steel Industry, Coal Industry, small & medium size farmer and dozens of manufacturing plants all over the nation. Now we have become an industry of Wally Mart, LEOW'S, FAST FOOD and the Japanese and Chinese Govn'ts.

All those people driving foreign vehicles over the past 30 years, need to pat themselves on the back for a job well done. You can only take so many teaspoons of water out of a 12 oz glass before it it empty.... then what people? The only way to get jobs back into this country is for those who purchase all the foreign goods, simply wake up and refuse to buy them. They those who sell them will go another route perhaps.

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #4 on:** December 07, 2009, 07:32:21 AM »

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Well, FORD makes the best trucks period! The worst thing that has happened to the USA, was the introduction of Foreign automobiles and trucks into our country. Now look up the history of what made this nation what it was back in the 40's, 50's and 60's.

OH jeez not this 30year old out of date union slogan again

I had a ford just like the OP's..............It was made in Canada and sported a Japanese made transmission.............you know to support the American worker and all.

A couple years Later I bought a Nissan frontier Crew cab...........The darn thing was made In Tennessee.......you know to stab the American worker in the back and all

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The only way to get jobs back into this country is for those who purchase all the foreign goods, simply wake up and refuse to buy them.

Where was your TV made and most importantly the computer you used to type this response? I just love the SELECTIVE outrage folks have about foreign made goods.

rwng · « **Reply #5 on:** December 07, 2009, 07:53:24 AM »

I must agree with Tonk. Maybe growing up in Detroit gives me a slanted view but... If there were USA made TV's etc., I would only buy them. It is extremely hard to buy American any more. (I even go as far as trying not to buy products with Spanish advertizing on the package) That being said I got my first Ford (F-150 Super cab) and I like it ok. Maybe not as much as all of my GM products that I've owned in the past but it is growing on me. I can say the the ride is more "truck like" and it's more stable on the road. 20 years ago Ford and Dodge were the enemy (Dad was test driver for GM) but now it's the big three against the world. By the way, I do realize that it's a losing battle.

Tonk · « **Reply #6 on:** December 08, 2009, 05:21:05 PM »

Our Congress has taken a back-seat to the protection of this nation by way of letting the big CEO'S make the choices of moving everything out of AMERICA to foreign lands for the sake of saving money on pension funds, health care and wages to the American Worker.

Look what happened to the STEEL INDUSTRY in Pittsburg PA. back in the 70's people, I am sorry Krochus, your arse was most likely in diapers and you didn't understand those things that have made the USA so strong for decades. The very reason we won World War 2, was because this nation could in fact out produce the Germans and the Japanese making planes, ships, tanks, trucks, cannons, machine guns and bullets etc.

Now it has taken som 50 plus years for all the water to be spooned out of the crystal glass and once it be tapped out, there is no more. We are experiencing just that effect across this nations. Shang Hi China is the most modern city in the world today. Only because of all the US Dollars and Euro's that have been spent making China the way it is today.

I would NEVER purchase a foreign automobile, if it was half the friggin price of an American vehicle. Now to many people have turned their heads and gotten on the band wagon and now we are living the results of all that foreign wealth in other nations. Yes, you damn right I am American and a union man too! My loyalty is to this nation and not China or any other country. I spend my money in the county, state and country I live in for starters. Money spent for foreign cars, those profits go back to that country.

john keyes · « **Reply #7 on:** December 09, 2009, 10:51:02 AM »

well, I don't where it was made but I have an 82 F 100 with a 300 six and I would not accept ten thousand dollars for it. I would turn it down. I bought it for $600 and spent about $3000 on the motor and stuff. It has the automatic and 1 barrel, it gets about 15 mpg with my four wheeler in the back and all of my hunting stuff. It has a heater that will flat out incinerate your a$$ too.

It also has triangle vent windows.

Swampman · « **Reply #8 on:** December 09, 2009, 11:17:33 AM »

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The worst thing that has happened to the USA, was the introduction of Foreign automobiles and trucks into our country.

Without foreign made cars we'd all be driving $50,000.00 pieces of junk that get 9 miles to the gallon.

If I could buy an American made car for $13,500.00 that would last 200,000+ miles and got 40mpg I would. Until then I'll stick with Toyota.

wtxbadger · « **Reply #9 on:** December 09, 2009, 03:16:47 PM »

We did pretty well after WWII helping to rebuild the nations devastated by a global war. Our overall labor costs were low and our industrial base was virtually untouched like other nations. We pretty much priced ourselves out of being competitive as our wages/cost of manufacture grew beyond the point of being able to compete with other countries as they recovered.

Japan is a very good example of a nation that took to heart the value of turning out a quality product which they learned the hard way. Does anyone remember the negative saying "Made in Japan"? More recently the same could be said about China which everyone uses now. They are learning and their products are improving in quality as well. As Japan's wages and benefits increased they also have become victims of their own success and have found it harder and harder to compete. In part that is why you pay a much higher price for a Japanese made vehicle versus than others, but the quality is pretty durn good still. The difference being that had already instituted much higher quality controls than the US made vehicles before they hit the same problem we had already seen. Thus now we have Japanese companies actually assembling their products in the good ol' USA instead of their own country. If China continues as it is now and they actually continue to grow a middle class citizenry they too will find themselves having to compete on a more level playing field with other countries getting into the competition. American made vehicles are getting closer in their quality, but you might want to check into how much foreign content there is in a so called American made vehicle, and where they are assembled.

There is a heck of a lot more that could be said on this that has not been covered. Another factor overlooked is the Cold War which fueled a heck of a lot of our economic growth as well.

Yes, we could enact protectionist laws, levy tarrifs, but without a quality product to offer outside of this country it would not make one bit of difference.

wtxbadger

scout4 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 10, 2009, 03:04:40 AM »

FORD F-150, that says it all. 99% USA made, except for a fuse or dome light bulb. scout4<><

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #11 on:** December 10, 2009, 07:38:11 AM »

Quote from: scout4 on December 10, 2009, 03:04:40 AM

FORD F-150, that says it all. 99% USA made, except for a fuse or dome light bulb. scout4<><

Manual or auto transmission?

factory or aftermarket radio?

Tires?

What brand oil or air filter?

original floormats or not?

original plugs and wires?

Swampman · « **Reply #12 on:** December 10, 2009, 07:42:28 AM »

The 4 speed automatic transmission in my 2005 Ford Mustang was made in France. The V-6 engine was made in Germany. All the electronics came from China. It's a small world.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #13 on:** December 10, 2009, 07:47:28 AM »

Alot of ford trucks come out of MEXICO . And if by chance you get one assy here it has parts from there . As far as quality LOL the term quality and American truck could not be used togather in the 70's , 80's or 90's for sure . The Ford plant in Norfolk Va. made F-150's until a few years back . its closed and they come out of other places like Mexico now. Ford cares about money plain and simple . And before all the UAW guys start telling us about how good Ford is why did ya'll strike last time ? Seems some of the signs ya'll toted said bad things about them . Even Ford is moving out of country like the new plants in SA .

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** December 10, 2009, 07:49:26 AM »

The Chevy 2500 diesel i just sold had German ign on a Jap diesel . IGN on a diesel really .

scout4 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 11, 2009, 01:36:37 PM »

Wow! I was just having some fun with this post! Sure did'nt expect to open a can of worms!...I know there's alot of good trucks out there that do not carry the blue oval $:-\$ Its just that the ole fords keep a bit of an edge, surly nothin to your bumper all bent outta shape about.

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EVOC ONE · « **Reply #16 on:** December 11, 2009, 11:44:37 PM »

Quote from: scout4 on December 11, 2009, 01:36:37 PM

Wow! I was just having some fun with this post! Sure did'nt expect to open a can of worms!...I know there's alot of good trucks out there that do not carry the blue oval $:-\$ Its just that the ole fords keep a bit of an edge, surly nothin to your bumper all bent outta shape about. scout4<><

No can of worms. Some folks are just very passionate about brand loyalty. In reality, there is no perfect vehicle. No matter the product line or manufacture, there will always be good and bad examples.

By the way here is my 96 F150 Eddie Bauer I-6 5sp manual. Its my third. The first was an 82 I-6 1bbl with a 3 sp auto. The second a 94 XLT with the same engine/trans combo as the 96:

scout4 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 12, 2009, 01:56:50 AM »

Now That is one sweet Truck! Perfect example of Ford Quality!

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Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #18 on:** December 12, 2009, 02:24:35 AM »

Im with you pal. I cant help but to think that even though toyota and some other jap brands are made here a bigger proportion of the profits benifit the jap economy then they do are own. You can argue that a stearing wheel or a axel off my truck is made in a foreign company but in my opinion the american car manufactures were forced to do that because of people buying foriegn cars. They couldnt compete in the same price range without doing it. Alot of people just dont understand how vital the big 3 are to this nations economy. Its just not factorys in detroit. Id be willing to be that within 200 miles of anyone on this forum theres a small company producing something for one of these factorys. Proably a good number of you if you looked into would find you have a relitive employed by one. This goes all the way from the mining of ore to the making of the fabric for the seats. Let the big three fall and this country will be in a world of hurt. Shove toyota out of here and you wouldnt notice a thing as the big 3 could easily take up the slack. Thing i have to pull my hair out about more then anything is why? Years ago i heard a legitimate argument that i buy toyota because there a much higher quality unit and they were probably right but right now all of the big 3 produce cars and trucks that are every bit as good as the japs do. If you doubt that what motor trend. That show allways farvored foriegn brands and even they will tell you that american cars not only are the equal of the japs but many times beat the pants off of them. the day is way past where you toyota drivers can brag because your truck goes over 200000 miles. EVERY brand of american truck made today will easily do it. Heck my buddy just bought a f250 4x4 that had 280000 miles on it and it purs like a kitten and doesnt burn a drop of oil and looks near showroom. Im not up on the newer toyotas but i can remember a few years ago up here where theres salt that any toyota truck with over a 100000 miles had a wood stake bed because the body was rusted away. Got to admit though they still ran well

Quote from: rwng on December 07, 2009, 07:53:24 AM

I must agree with Tonk. Maybe growing up in Detroit gives me a slanted view but... If there were USA made TV's etc., I would only buy them. It is extremely hard to buy American any more. (I even go as far as trying not to buy products with Spanish advertizing on the package) That being said I got my first Ford (F-150 Super cab) and I like it ok. Maybe not as much as all of my GM products that I've owned in the past but it is growing on me. I can say the the ride is more "truck like" and it's more stable on the road. 20 years ago Ford and Dodge were the enemy (Dad was test driver for GM) but now it's the big three against the world. By the way, I do realize that it's a losing battle.

pmeisel · « **Reply #19 on:** December 12, 2009, 08:47:16 AM »

That 300 cube six was built like nobody's business. Finest light truck engine ever built in my opinion.

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #20 on:** December 12, 2009, 09:27:36 AM »

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No can of worms. Some folks are just very passionate about brand loyalty. In reality, there is no perfect vehicle. No matter the product line or manufacture, there will always be good and bad examples.

It's not about brand loyalty it's about being sick and tired of having some ill informed smug Luddite wanting to wave the stars and stripes all up in your face because they feel some kind of misplaced intellectual superiority over having a truck with XXXX brand on the grille.

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Im with you pal. I cant help but to think that even though toyota and some other jap brands are made here a bigger proportion of the profits benifit the jap economy then they do are own.

please tell me what DAIMLER/Crysler and GM did with the absolute pile of cash they made between 5 and 15 years ago selling overpriced full sized SUV's faster than they could make em? Were a bunch new of US factories opened? Feel that in your back pocket? It's GM's hand in your wallet TAKING now what they squandered before.....but hey at least those "profits"

didn't go overseas?

Graybeard · « **Reply #21 on:** December 12, 2009, 10:46:14 AM »

Actually that's not exactly correct. GM is spending about all the money they got in the bail out to build new plants overseas while closing down plants and dealerships in the US.

These days companies like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Yamaha, Hyundi and the like are paying salaries to more US citizens than the big three are. I'm a Ford fan but lately their trucks have become just too ugly for me. I have one of the ugly ones a 1999 F150 if I recall correctly. About the only time I see it is when Matt visits and brings it over.

All three of the big three have abandoned the US to be honest. They are sourcing out as fast as they can while the import brand names are building new US plants as fast as they can. So who is REALLY helping US workers?

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #22 on:** December 12, 2009, 12:53:10 PM »

I can still buy a ford or chev for less then a comparable toyota so whos the big wigs pocketing that money! Bet they have geisha girls! You can argue till you blue in the face to me about it but youll never get me to step inside a toyota dealership. Sorry guys but i like my ansestors actually fought for this country and will continue to fight for it, not some college educated yuppie that fought to stay away from the military. Lets have a show of hand of the vetrans who actually served this country that are buying imported vehicles. Bet i dont get many on here. People just have came to care much more about themselves and there money then they do about whats good for this country. Buy what you want as im sure you will but just dont try to justify it to me as im not listening. End of my posts on this subject.

Quote from: krochus on December 12, 2009, 09:27:36 AM

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No can of worms. Some folks are just very passionate about brand loyalty. In reality, there is no perfect vehicle. No matter the product line or manufacture, there will always be good and bad examples.

It's not about brand loyalty it's about being sick and tired of having some ill informed smug Luddite wanting to wave the stars and stripes all up in your face because they feel some kind of misplaced intellectual superiority over having a truck with XXXX brand on the grille.

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Im with you pal. I cant help but to think that even though toyota and some other jap brands are made here a bigger proportion of the profits benifit the jap economy then they do are own.

please tell me what DAIMLER/Crysler and GM did with the absolute pile of cash they made between 5 and 15 years ago selling overpriced full sized SUV's faster than they could make em? Were a bunch new of US factories opened? Feel that in your back pocket? It's GM's hand in your wallet TAKING now what they squandered before.....but hey at least those "profits" didn't go overseas?

Graybeard · « **Reply #23 on:** December 12, 2009, 01:04:23 PM »

I basically just don't agree with your premise here Lloyd. Both times I've bought Toyota's I price checked and wasn't able to get a comparable big three truck for within $10,000 of what I gave for the Toys. When I got the Tundra all three wanted $10,000 to $12,000 more for a comparably equipment pick up truck. Me thinks that your failure to step inside a Toyota dealership has you misunderstanding what you can get one for.

For a full size SUV from Ford or GM to match my Sequoia the difference was closer to $15,000 more. I got a HUGE discount as a repeat buyer plus other incentives that were being offered.

I've not had one single issue that needed attention on either vehicle other than routine oil changes and filter changes at specified intervals. Both of my last two GM products bought new spent more time with the dealer than with me. One of my last two new Fords had way more problems than it should but in honesty most were things I had them add on at the dealership not what Ford put on at the factory. I won't bad mouth Ford as I do like them but their new trucks are just too ugly for my eyes.

The Japanese auto makers are employing more US auto workers today than the big three. I say they are more patriotic than the big three are. They are bring jobs to American with the big three are sending them over seas. Them's facts like it or not.

30-30man · « **Reply #24 on:** December 12, 2009, 04:03:41 PM »

The reason many perceive Toyota being higher is that they don't offer the rebates the big three have to offer to get people to buy. In my experience buying a truck a few years ago, Toyota was more because they didn't have the rebates. Now I didn't bicker with the salesman, so I can say what I would have got a tundra for. It was just the starting asking price was more.The 5.7 was not out in the Toyota, so I didn't want one with the smaller v8 anyway. Now I would have probably swung over to Toyota. There is no such thing as an American car company anymore as all of them are outsourced. Dodge and Ford to Mexico and Gm to China and Canada. Shoot Gm is getting some of their transmissions made in China now. I can say the the japenese vehicles are any better though. I've had just as much problems with my wife's Honda Accord as I have had with my Dodge trucks. The thing I hate about Japanese vehicles is that it takes months sometimes to get parts that have to be shipped from overseas.

countryroads · « **Reply #25 on:** December 12, 2009, 05:34:41 PM »

2009 F250 SuperDuty diesel. Best truck I've ever owned. Made in Kentucky. I like Kentuckians. They're sort of like the rest of us Americans.

wtxbadger · « **Reply #26 on:** December 13, 2009, 01:36:50 PM »

1966 Ford F100 here. Real American made iron. Been in the family since it was built, and will still be going strong when the trucks Ford makes now are in the boneyard.

wtxbadger

rwng · « **Reply #27 on:** December 13, 2009, 05:29:28 PM »

I have and maintain a very diverse family. We show it in the vehicles we drive. I drive an '08 F150 4x4 proudly made in Dearborn, MI. It's my first Ford ever, she's the baby with only 50,000 miles on her. My wife drives a '99 Chevy Suburban, 2wd 1500. The burb has 117,000 miles on it and frequently pulls the 2 horse trailer but mostly just hauls the 4 kids around. And does it while getting 17-18 mpg. I let my daughter drive my '96 Dodge Ram 1500, 2wd, 318, auto tranny. This truck has 278,000 miles on it. She hauls the horses most of the time. So you see, we are as diverse as an American family can get.

torpedoman · « **Reply #28 on:** December 13, 2009, 05:42:49 PM »

I would rather deal with a for dealer about my warranty if it was ever needed than have to get congress to agree to make it good as in the case of G.M. or chrysler.

scout4 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 14, 2009, 02:19:54 AM »

FORD. I'm with you Llyod Smale! scout4<><