Author Topic: Camo Tape on a blued handi-- good or bad for the finish (Read 1467 times)

Squib · « **on:** December 05, 2009, 05:20:23 PM »

I just picked up some remington brand no-mar tape and want to know if it's okay to store it and leave the tape on for extended periods without significant exposure to precipitation or humidity. can sweat from hands affect it? I'm just tired (already) of wiping it down everyday to get the prints off it, also it would look cool (to me anyways). any experience???

Mac11700 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 05, 2009, 05:29:05 PM »

Quote from: Squib on December 05, 2009, 05:20:23 PM

I just picked up some remington brand no-mar tape and want to know if it's okay to store it and leave the tape on for extended periods without significant exposure to precipitation or humidity. can sweat from hands affect it? I'm just tired (already) of wiping it down everyday to get the prints off it, also it would look cool (to me anyways). any experience???

Anytime moisture of any kind can be trapped between the tape and the blueing it will pit & rust..

As to the prints on it..get a nice set of Bob Allen shooting gloves..I've used them for years even in the summer..

Mac

Squib · « **Reply #2 on:** December 05, 2009, 05:30:52 PM »

it's said to be waterproof to a degree (not to total immersion though) and it's vinyl not cloth (so it's like cyran-wrap)

Mac11700 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 05, 2009, 05:39:35 PM »

Quote from: Squib on December 05, 2009, 05:30:52 PM

it's said to be waterproof to a degree (not to total immersion though) and it's vinyl not cloth (so it's like cyran-wrap)

It don't matter...If your rifle is cold..like from being out in the cold all day hunting..then you bring it inside where it's warm..the metal will sweat...sorry..

Mac

Squib · « **Reply #4 on:** December 05, 2009, 05:58:41 PM »

man... I'll still use it while I shoot then, to look tactical and take the glare off when hunting... then take it off and oil it all up like usual. I wanted to be full time rambo. didn't you do the rambo-camo thing back in the spec ops days of yore mac?

let me guess, it was to keep you from getting spotted and shot, and it was uncle sam's gun getting rusted... I don't want to believe it man

Mac11700 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 05, 2009, 06:08:39 PM »

Quote from: Squib on December 05, 2009, 05:58:41 PM

man... I'll still use it while I shoot then, to look tactical and take the glare off when hunting... then take it off and oil it all up like usual. I wanted to be full time rambo. didn't you do the rambo-camo thing back in the spec ops days of yore mac?

let me guess, it was to keep you from getting spotted and shot, and it was uncle sam's gun getting rusted... I don't want to believe it man

Yup...did the spec op thing a-lot..but never put any tape on it..Used Ghili cloth for the most part..and didn't finger the metal everyday without gloves on

Mac

Squib · « **Reply #6 on:** December 05, 2009, 06:18:58 PM »

BUT MAC IT LOOKS COOL, IT HAS TO BE TACTICAL! jeez man!

you're ruining my fun dude, I gotta ask somebody else.... I'll still wrap it up a few times just to get my use of it though (like I said in the previous post)

$:-\$

Mac11700 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 05, 2009, 06:22:52 PM »

Quote from: Squib on December 05, 2009, 06:18:58 PM

BUT MAC IT LOOKS COOL, IT HAS TO BE TACTICAL! jeez man!

you're ruining my fun dude, I gotta ask somebody else.... I'll still wrap it up a few times just to get my use of it though (like I said in the previous post)

$:-\$

Well if you want tacticle...you could always get one of those ATI AR type stocks and forearms then camo it...Don't know how it..or your shoulder will hold up with 45-70 loads though...

Mac

45-70.gov · « **Reply #8 on:** December 05, 2009, 06:27:26 PM »

i realized i wrapped my stainless howa and luopold scope

about 7 or 8 years ago

it just keeps shooting
not even head to untape the scope caps

we have seen snow in the mountains and steamy florida swamps
lots of rain and shine

i hope all is well under there
if its too bad i will just re-wrap it

i chose woodland camo
a classic and my favorite

Squib · « **Reply #9 on:** December 05, 2009, 06:32:47 PM »

ati for the handi?

you know of any easy to install sights for them? I'm doing alright at fifty yds just iron sights but my eyes are worse than I thought --- I gotta keep my shots in that range or I might have problems (maybe a new sight will correct that some)

mac, the eye thing again---- my range is limited now! m-16 type sights available in any way- even tough and barely feasible to install?

Mac11700 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 05, 2009, 06:39:16 PM »

Quote from: Squib on December 05, 2009, 06:32:47 PM

ati for the handi?

you know of any easy to install sights for them? I'm doing alright at fifty yds just iron sights but my eyes are worse than I thought --- I gotta keep my shots in that range or I might have problems (maybe a new sight will correct that some)

mac, the eye thing again---- my range is limited now! m-16 type sights available in any way- even tough and barely feasible to install?

Here you go Rambo...jr

http://www.atigunstocks.com/products.aspx?category=14&page=1&id=23

Mac

Squib · « **Reply #11 on:** December 05, 2009, 06:43:36 PM »

all that stuff I have said before in the politcal threads... about going overseas and looking for a fight being wrong... man I take it back as soon as I get the money for that ati stuff (not really.. tempting though)

it makes me want to run down pedestrians that's a C.A.R. joke

Mac11700 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 05, 2009, 06:50:04 PM »

Quote from: Squib on December 05, 2009, 06:43:36 PM

all that stuff I have said before in the politcal threads... about going overseas and looking for a fight being wrong... man I take it back as soon as I get the money for that ati stuff (not really.. tempting though)

it makes me want to run down pedestrians that's a C.A.R. joke

If Knoxx ever makes one of their recoil reducing ones for it..I might be tempted..just for S&G's...cause they work pretty good...but...If you want something better..that you can hold on to..and help tame the recoil..Pick up one of these..

I like the looks on these much more than the Survivor..and you can atleast hook a bi-pod up on the front of it..Can't say how good the recoil pad is..or if a Decelorator/Limbsaver/G3 can be fitted on it..but it's worth a shot(pun intended..)

Mac

Squib · « **Reply #13 on:** December 05, 2009, 06:55:54 PM »

on mine I stuffed a sock into it until it filled the crevices real good, then filled it up with #9 shot (I used to load "snake-charmer" for 38 and 357), then cinched-twisted-zip tied the sock shut, tucked it in and put the factory pad back on (it seems like a really good pad actually). I put a limbsaver over that and now it feels alright shooting--- the handling took a nose-dive though. it is still so short that I can move it quickly but only if the stock is up to my shoulder/chest. Before weighting it, it felt perfect for swinging and sighting (length of pull, weight, BALANCE) now it's funky.. but my shoulder needs the padding. I might take it out for hunting but then I might not use a good stiff load after that either

I'll post some pics soon, before and after camo-taping- to prove how "tactical" it is. See if you can SEE-uhl that one Mac!

Squib · « **Reply #14 on:** December 05, 2009, 07:03:31 PM »

I opened it up, and I think it really would be waterproof if it could stick together well enough (might if not totally rough handled) BUT it's shiny, just a bit. also it says realtree or something like that every few inches....

it's not cool, it's lame

Mac11700 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 05, 2009, 08:37:29 PM »

Quote from: Squib on December 05, 2009, 07:03:31 PM

I opened it up, and I think it really would be waterproof if it could stick together well enough (might if not totally rough handled) BUT it's shiny, just a bit. also it says realtree or something like that every few inches....

it's not cool, it's lame

If it's waterproof...then it will keep any condesation in as well..

I ruined a real nice shotgun once with that stuff..I don't know if it's still made..but I used to use some stuff made by Hunter specialties called Bowflage..it was removable camoflage paint that worked pretty darn good and was removable..You can call the company and see if they have any left..That way you would be able to paint it then remove it without damage..I sprayed a whole bunch of recurves and longbows and a few shotguns and rifles with it..

You have one other choice if you don't want it painted ( It ain't cheap though )..is to ship it up to Wayne York of Oregongunsmithing..and have him Cerrocaot it for you..This is permanent but nice.... I have 1 rifle done in it and it is 1 tough finish and looks good too..He does a few colors in it and his work is Top Notch..

Mac

Squib · « **Reply #16 on:** December 05, 2009, 08:44:05 PM »

I was thinking roguard, np3 or something fancy like that... I don't know that I will do anything that expensive though. I checked the ati stocks you suggested, they don't have a cavity in the stock for birdshot to weight it down.... necessary tomorrow (60grs Varget, Sierra #8900's, Federal Large Rifle Primers, starline brass)... not fun).

seem like a good load to you?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** December 05, 2009, 08:49:00 PM »

The ATI stock would be fine for a kid's rifle, a 22lr or a light recoiling chambering, but I wouldn't want to use it on anything with serious recoil, it's been described as being very toy like by several owners here, run it through the search. Even good adjustable stocks will collapse, this fella had a Mossberg stock put the hurt on him.

Tim

Squib · « **Reply #18 on:** December 05, 2009, 08:52:17 PM »

OUCH!

Mac11700 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 05, 2009, 09:06:46 PM »

Quote from: Squib on December 05, 2009, 08:44:05 PM

I was thinking roguard, np3 or something fancy like that... I don't know that I will do anything that expensive though. I checked the ati stocks you suggested, they don't have a cavity in the stock for birdshot to weight it down.... necessary tomorrow (60grs Varget, Sierra #8900's, Federal Large Rifle Primers, starline brass)... not fun).

seem like a good load to you?

No...not to me...This is a mid level trapdoor load..and I prefer something with a heck of a bigger bang.. I had the best luck with H4198 for all jacketed bullets..Remington 9-1/2 primers and nickle cases..

Go here and look it up..scroll down to modern rifles..substitute your Sierra with a Nosler Partion in that weight..http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

That's been my favorite loading...Certainly not cheap..at all..but..certainly has been the most accurate in mine so far..That might change with Quicks loading with Barnes bullets...but I've 1 box of the Noslers to load up first..

Squib..I don't plink with my loads in the 45-70's..there are way to many cheaper alternatives..My 45 cals are hunting tools..If I did want to plink..I would load it as light as I felt comfortable doing..and use cast bullets..You can get some pretty darn mild loads doing it that way..and still have a ton of fun with it..putting B>A.H's in everything...

:DLot's of guys do that..I personally wouldn't use a Sierra bullet to hunt with..even though many many fine people do..I just don't like them for that in the 45-70 since I drive them way too hard..

Mac

Mac11700 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 05, 2009, 09:07:41 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on December 05, 2009, 08:49:00 PM

The ATI stock would be fine for a kid's rifle, a 22lr or a light recoiling chambering, but I wouldn't want to use it on anything with serious recoil, it's been described as being very toy like by several owners here, run it through the search. Even good adjustable stocks will collapse, this fella had a Mossberg stock put the hurt on him.

Tim

Damn....thought they were better than that..

Squib...never mind...

Mac

Squib · « **Reply #21 on:** December 05, 2009, 09:12:27 PM »

yeah that's a set-up, or hazing, or bs.... I'd really hate to catch a rifle sight or butt-stock in my good eye... my left one is scarred up on the cornea and I don't want the other like that. I could then wear a nifty tough guy eye patch though. I'd be captain ben!

knoxx stock took out knox's eye.... too funny for some, too funny for me to even try though... I won't test my luck, I know it's horrible

maybe I should just keep my synthetic with a quickdtoo suggested sock full of birdshot...

can't get an uber-cool stock, can't tape it up.... man I got screwed. at least my handi works right from the get-go (I got that at least, good trigger and all).

Mac11700 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 05, 2009, 09:25:04 PM »

Quote from: Squib on December 05, 2009, 09:12:27 PM

yeah that's a set-up, or hazing, or bs.... I'd really hate to catch a rifle sight or butt-stock in my good eye... my left one is scarred up on the cornea and I don't want the other like that. I could then wear a nifty tough guy eye patch though. I'd be captain ben!

knoxx stock took out knox's eye.... too funny for some, too funny for me to even try though... I won't test my luck, I know it's horrible

maybe I should just keep my synthetic with a quickdtoo suggested sock full of birdshot...

can't get an uber-cool stock, can't tape it up.... man I got screwed. at least my handi works right from the get-go (I got that at least, good trigger and all).

Tape it..but just keep the gun outside with it on and don't let it heat up..Or atleast get the kind of tape that you can take off easily and reuse..Just don't put the tape on it and leave it on it for a few days...

Ubercool stock..

The one I showed you ealier is uber cool as far as Handi's go..I think this cheek piece will work on it too..

http://www.riflestock.com/catalog_page_detail.cfm?recordno=12&Product_CatalogID=2944&ProductNumber=22%2D04%2D01&ProductCode=25&ProductSubCodeID=207&NewProduct=0

What's not to like...?

Mac

Squib · « **Reply #23 on:** December 05, 2009, 09:35:00 PM »

no no, the tape had the brand logo on it every five inches or so.... so lame

I think I will get the actual cloth/wrap kind later on and just put it on while it's in the field though
cheekpiece at some point, possibly screw it into the stock even
put a spacer under the forearm (not to free float, just as a cushion/harmonic dampener)
an ammo sleeve (almost got one today but I couldn't justify $10 on something I'll never fire nine consecutive shots from)

and someday.... roguard the thing (which means np3 on the internals)

but that's only if I stop acquiring more guns... there's an idea, upgrade the current ones instead of buying new ones all the time!

Mac11700 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 05, 2009, 09:41:37 PM »

Quote from: Squib on December 05, 2009, 09:35:00 PM

no no, the tape had the brand logo on it every five inches or so.... so lame

I think I will get the actual cloth/wrap kind later on and just put it on while it's in the field though
cheekpiece at some point, possibly screw it into the stock even
put a spacer under the forearm (not to free float, just as a cushion/harmonic dampener)
an ammo sleeve (almost got one today but I couldn't justify $10 on something I'll never fire nine consecutive shots from)

and someday.... roguard the thing (which means np3 on the internals)

but that's only if I stop acquiring more guns... there's an idea, upgrade the current ones instead of buying new ones all the time!

Rogard is cool..I got a 870 done up in it..Cerracoat is a little thicker and harder..so it's durable..and won't scratch hardly..

Mac

Squib · « **Reply #25 on:** December 05, 2009, 09:43:07 PM »

what about the internals? roguard or np3 BOTH get np3 standard for internal parts

jeepmann1948 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 06, 2009, 12:55:01 AM »

why not just paint it with your favorite cammo pattern? check out stock painting in faq's

cwlongshot · « **Reply #27 on:** December 06, 2009, 01:45:52 AM »

Quote from: jeepmann1 link=topic=190871.msg 1098957557#msg 1098957557 date=1260100501

why not just paint it with your favorite camo pattern? check out stock painting in faqs

I have taped up a couple firearms in the past and every time I have regretted doing it. I never did it on a nice firearm. Al tho, my pop did... Sit down Winchester fans... he did it on a BEAUTIFUL DELUXE Winchester 43 in 218 BEE!!!! I stripped that off just this wear and its just fine, but what a PITA!!! I think we used up two cans of WD-40 dissolving the twenty year old cloth tape!!!!

I have seen a couple threads on here about painting a handi and they looked damn nice!!! Pallet wood or syn stocks are easy and cheap here so I would just recommend that route. I have painted a bunch of stocks for guys looking for the "synthetic" look form the pallet wood. I like to use Duplicolor bed paint. Its textured and looks exactly like a synthetic stock when your done. It wears VERY well, MUCH better then it will ever do on your truck bed!!! OOH, GLAD top hear some sensible words from you in the ATI JUNK... Its simply not worth the risk!

Good luck and post up some pics of what you do!!!

CW

c1skout · « **Reply #28 on:** December 06, 2009, 03:11:53 AM »

Check out duracoat. http://www.houtsenterprises.net/index.html
I just bought a single color to cover up a stainless 22 I have, but I haven't got around to doing it yet. Seems to be a good product.

Squib · « **Reply #29 on:** December 06, 2009, 04:43:38 AM »

oh, I'll post... don't know about doing it myself though. I tried painting a pistol with gun-kote once... terrible experience. I'll not trust my artistic skills on metal again. When I have dough...