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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2009, 11:38:05 AM »
That has GOT TO BE the world's longest URL.  :o


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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2009, 12:40:08 PM »
That has GOT TO BE the world's longest URL.  :o

Well I fixed the link so it's more useable.  Rifles aren't really part of this forum.  Since we do  allow punt guns here, bore guns seem reasonable.  Besides some would argue this a cannon anyway... 1/2 pounder!

I am going to separate it out in it's own topic...

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Re: 2 bore Rifle
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2009, 01:21:09 PM »
WOW.
I know the English have one and two bore shotguns for goose hunting.
Are you headed to Jurassic Park with that one?  Is it a smooth bore or did you rifle it?
Like the pictures.

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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2009, 01:35:43 PM »
my only question is     HOW MUCH I WANT ONE!!!  and do you take payments.?????


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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2009, 01:38:11 PM »
What a bunch of work to break your collar bone ! :D

It's beautiful and deadly FOR SURE ,but those old round ball guns used some BIG powder charges I dont think I'd want to shoot first .

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2009, 01:39:05 PM »
never mind ! :-[ I dumb thumbed the enter button a regular double tap .
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Re: 2 bore Rifle
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2009, 04:24:38 PM »
    
WOW.
I know the English have one and two bore shotguns for goose hunting.
Are you headed to Jurassic Park with that one?  Is it a smooth bore or did you rifle it?
Like the pictures.

     The maker said, in the text which accompanies his in-process photo essay, that he made it a smoothbore, because that's what Baker had in 1866.  Whoa, hold the phone, in the three main books he wrote detailing his African adventures while Military Governor of the Sudan, Sir Samuel Baker specifically states that the most outstanding shot he ever made with his Rifle, Baby, was the one in which a big Buffalo was downed, out on the mud-flats, between 500 and 600 yards with a tubular, brass, black-powder-filled, shell weighing 8 oz.  Without rifling, the 4" long shell would tumble end-over-end.  Such flight characteristics do not lead any logical person to believe a 500 to 600 yard shot to be remotely possible.  That said, it's one heck of a gun that the maker built and it would be a truly unique experience to shoot it, even with just a round ball.   :o :o

     The entire quotation from The Albert N'Yanza, Great Basin Of The Nile, 1866. By Sir Samuel White Baker. pp. 138, is below and it clearly indicates a Rifle is what Baker's 2-Bore was.  If anyone would know the difference between a rifle and a gun, it was Sir Samuel Baker who hunted various beasts all over the world.


   "Among other weapons, I had an extraordinary rifle that carried a half-pound percussion shell; this instrument of torture to the hunter was not sufficiently heavy for the weight of the projectile: it only weighted twenty pounds, thus with a charge of ten drachms of powder and a HALF-POUND shell, the recoil was so terrific, that I spun around like a weathercock in a hurricane. I really dreaded my own rifle, although I have been accustomed to heavy charges of powder and severe recoils for some years. None of my men could fire it, and it was looked upon as a species of awe, and it was name "Jenna-El-Mootfah" (Child of a Cannon) by the Arabs, which being a far too long of a name for practice, I christened it the "Baby", and the scream of this "Baby" loaded with a half-pound shell was always fatal. It was too severe, and I seldom fired it, but it is a curious fact that I never shot a fire with that rifle without bagging. The entire practice, during several years, was confined to about twenty shots. I was afraid to use it, but now and then as it was absolutelly necessary, it was cleaned after months of staying loaded. On such occasions my men had the gratification of firing it, and the explosion was always accompanied by two men falling on their backs (one having propped up the shooter) and the "Baby" flying some yards behind them. This rifle was made by Holland & Holland, of Bond Street, and I could highly recommend it for the Goliath of Gath, but not for the men of A.D. 1866."

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Re: 2 bore Rifle
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2009, 04:54:31 PM »
In my book "Game Guns and Rifles" by Richard Akehurst .

A letter is known to say ...something to the effect . "Baby fired 1/2 lb shells and he never failed to bag "

The double barreled ball guns WITH sights where brutal on both ends . They were smoothies but with huge powder charges and ' hardened lead balls ' and .75 cal and up !
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2009, 05:54:41 PM »
M&T,
They certainly made them! I'm not going to post the YouTube vids here because they're firing self contained ammo, but check out "W.W. Greener 4 Bore Double Rifle In Zimbabwe," "Double Rifle 4 Bore 2," and "Shooting Times test fires a two bore rifle." Some of these vids show amusing examples of how the recoil from these guns can move a man's body.
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Re: 2 bore Rifle
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2009, 08:11:44 PM »
Wow!!!!!  What a beast!!!!!!  Great build. Give that man a whole bunch of Kewpies.
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2009, 11:22:35 PM »
you got to be totally out of your mind to shoot that cannon
it aint a rifle , its a cannon
cannons should be mounted in carriages on wheels  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2009, 01:55:42 AM »
The workmanship is outstanding!

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2009, 03:20:08 AM »
The fella that made the gun pictured apprenticed under my friend Steve Zihn. Two Summers ago I visited with Steve in WY and he showed me the first 2 bore he built and it was rifled. Great Wall Gun but at 26 lbs quite a chore to shoulder.

I declined the offer to fire it ;D ;D


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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2009, 11:54:22 PM »
 Is it true that Sir Samuel ended up getting the hammer spur of one of these 2 bores embedded in his face from recoil?

 I don't know if it was the same guy, but I remember reading about one great white hunter who fired a 4 bore after his gun-bearer double loaded it. His final word on the things was IIRC, "I now wish I had never been introduced to these rifles" (or something similar).
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Re: 2 bore Rifle
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2009, 01:37:47 AM »
   
Without rifling, the 4" long shell would tumble end-over-end.  Such flight characteristics do not lead any logical person to believe a 500 to 600 yard shot to be remotely possible.  That said, it's one heck of a gun that the maker built and it would be a truly unique experience to shoot it, even with just a round ball.   :o :o

As I read the book the first thing I thought was two bore but the more I read and reread it, I have come to believe it was his 4 bore with a conical shell that used the 1/2 pound shell.  I will have to dig out the book and read it again.
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